Trump is still your president

[eccielover]

Originally Posted by WTF

Have you read the Constitution and do you understand checks and balances?

The Constitution gave Congress the power of the purse, not the President.

Why have a congress if the President can run roughshod over them.

That is really just a Banana Republic.

This is a much bigger deal than many of you short sighted Trumpers think.

Yes, I've read the constitution and I think understand it far better than you do.

The power of the purse was given to Congress and specifically to initiate spending in the House. Congress has passed laws giving discretion of certain funding to the POTUS, and has granted the POTUS powers to determine usage of the those funds in a national emergency.

This is what Trump did. Congress could easily(laughing) pass a bill to rescind these powers they gave the executive or even try(laughing again) to pass a bill to explicitly say the POTUS doesn't have the power to use these funds at his disposal for the wall.

It's all within Constitutional rules as we operate today.

I'd be happy to go back to Congress dealing with each and every appropriation and dollar individually. It would so hamper the Federal bureaucracy as to be beautiful.

But that's not where we are at today.

[WTF]

We have never had a crisis based on the fact that Congress would not give the President money he wanted.

That is not a crisis that is a temper tantrum.

We shall see how the Court rules.

If the Courts rule in the Presidents favor...it has ceded too much power to the President imho. I actually think Roberts will fuck this up for Trump and save the country from future tyranny.

Trumps tit for tat with Roberts may come back to haunt him.

[bamscram]

Trumps rubes are sticking with him.

[eccielover]

Originally Posted by WTF

We have never had a crisis based on the fact that Congress would not give the President money he wanted.

But we have had lots of POTUS's, specifically including the last administration take whatever actions are within their power when Congress doesn't give them what they want. Whether by executive order or national emergency, they have taken their powers to the mat to get their agenda.

How is really the national emergency different from the Pen and Phone executive order philosophy.

Again, I'd be happy to throw it all out and go back to making Congress allocate and vote on every dollar, but that would neuter their ability to actually run the government as we know it.

Like an executive order, the next POTUS can shut off the national emergency declaration.

Face it, Trump played the odds and is still going to get what he feels is needed for national security. Sour Grapes don't apply.

[bamscram]

Trump undermined his argument, when he said that he didn't need to do it now, but it was faster.
If he didn't need to do it now, then there is no national emergency.

[SpeedRacerXXX]

Originally Posted by eccielover

Face it, Trump played the odds and is still going to get what he feels is needed for national security. Sour Grapes don't apply.

Okay by me. Voter opinion is heavily against his actions. In this poll, 63% of the all-important Independent voters are against Trump declaring a national emergency in order to build his wall. 33% approve.

https://www.npr.org/2019/02/19/69572...onal-emergency

Trump is once against acting to appease his power base, which he has absolutely no chance of losing under any conditions. And by doing so he is alienating most other voters.

[Yssup Rider]

Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

Okay by me. Voter opinion is heavily against his actions. In this poll, 63% of the all-important Independent voters are against Trump declaring a national emergency in order to build his wall. 33% approve.

https://www.npr.org/2019/02/19/69572...onal-emergency

Trump is once against acting to appease his power base, which he has absolutely no chance of losing under any conditions. And by doing so he is alienating most other voters.

Right you are.

He’s fighting hard for the low hanging fruit.

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

Okay by me. Voter opinion is heavily against his actions. In this poll, 63% of the all-important Independent voters are against Trump declaring a national emergency in order to build his wall. 33% approve.

https://www.npr.org/2019/02/19/69572...onal-emergency

Trump is once against acting to appease his power base, which he has absolutely no chance of losing under any conditions. And by doing so he is alienating most other voters.

is he? that depends on how you ask the question doesn't it? you are using a poll that states a majority do not support a National Emergency on the particular topic of Border Security.


now ask the question of Border Security and you get a different picture. the majority of polled Americans show overwhelming support of Border Security. the use of a National Emergency poll only shows people would rather Congress do what they intended to begin with.


https://www.npr.org/2018/01/23/58003...o-and-dont-say


https://dailycaller.com/2019/01/07/k...rder-security/




So .... if the majority of polled Americans don't like the use of a National Emergency on the topic of Border Security, then why are the poll numbers of the specific topic of Border Security so high as a major concern?

[Yssup Rider]

Why not ask the question as “freedom?”

You’d get a different answer yet.

What’s your point?

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

Why not ask the question as “freedom?”

You’d get a different answer yet.

What’s your point?

No. you'd just get a different percentage. about like asking "Is the Moon made out of cheese?

if just one person really thinks the moon is made of cheese then it's not 100% No is it?

now it's 99% to 1% then you just "eliminate" those pesky data points and guess what??

Now you have a poll that says .. "!00% of people surveyed think the Moon is made of Cheese!"

Remember sport, there's only two answers to a yes/no question.

unless you take the 5th! BAHAA

[Hotrod511]

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

No. you'd just get a different percentage. about like asking "Is the Moon made out of cheese?

if just one person really thinks the moon is made of cheese then it's not 100% No is it?

now it's 99% to 1% then you just "eliminate" those pesky data points and guess what??

Now you have a poll that says .. "!00% of people surveyed think the Moon is made of Cheese!"

Remember sport, there's only two answers to a yes/no question.

unless you take the 5th! BAHAA

I doubt that will sink in but it's worth a try

[SpeedRacerXXX]

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

is he? that depends on how you ask the question doesn't it? you are using a poll that states a majority do not support a National Emergency on the particular topic of Border Security.


now ask the question of Border Security and you get a different picture. the majority of polled Americans show overwhelming support of Border Security. the use of a National Emergency poll only shows people would rather Congress do what they intended to begin with.


https://www.npr.org/2018/01/23/58003...o-and-dont-say


https://dailycaller.com/2019/01/07/k...rder-security/


So .... if the majority of polled Americans don't like the use of a National Emergency on the topic of Border Security, then why are the poll numbers of the specific topic of Border Security so high as a major concern?

I want border security. At his point in time, I have no problem with the scaled down wall that is proposed to being built, not the monstrosity that Trump originally proposed. However, declaring a national emergency and Trump usurping the responsibilities of the Congress I do not support. We elect people to Congress. One of their responsibilities is to come up with a budget, which they've done. Trump either approves or rejects that budget. He approved. Trump did not like it but he didn't want to be responsible for a 2nd government shutdown the first of which negatively impacted his approval rating. So instead of waiting for another budget cycle in which he might get more money for his wall, he is trying an end run. Good luck!

[SpeedRacerXXX]

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

No. you'd just get a different percentage. about like asking "Is the Moon made out of cheese?

if just one person really thinks the moon is made of cheese then it's not 100% No is it?

now it's 99% to 1% then you just "eliminate" those pesky data points and guess what??

Now you have a poll that says .. "!00% of people surveyed think the Moon is made of Cheese!"

Remember sport, there's only two answers to a yes/no question.

unless you take the 5th! BAHAA

Take a course in Market Research 101 and you will understand polling techniques a little better.

[Little Monster]

[Jackie S]

Throughout his two terms, I never said that President Obama was not my President. I did everything in my power to see that many of his programs did not come fruition, and believeed his general attitude toward the job was wrong.

But he was still my President.