A Republic Can Only Exist Untill The People Discover They Can Vote Themselves Largess Out Of The Public Treasury.

[Jackie S]

How true is this statement, and how close is the US to reaching the point of no return?

Just a discussion.

[Yssup Rider]

We need to be terrified of this happening.

But keep them tax cuts for the rich a’comin’!

Is that your position?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!

[oeb11]

Thank You , Jackie
An interesting quote - the origin of which is shrouded in mystery. Attributed to Tytler - likely erroneously.

Attached: from Wikiquotes:https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Alexander_Fraser_Tytler
Alexander Fraser Tytler

Alexander Fraser Tytler, Lord Woodhouselee (October 15, 1747 – January 5, 1813) was a Scottish-born British lawyer and writer.
Quotes

• It is not, perhaps, unreasonable to conclude, that a pure and perfect democracy is a thing not attainable by man, constituted as he is of contending elements of vice and virtue, and ever mainly influenced by the predominant principle of self-interest. It may, indeed, be confidently asserted, that there never was that government called a republic, which was not ultimately ruled by a single will, and, therefore, (however bold may seem the paradox,) virtually and substantially a monarchy.
  • Tytler, Lord Woodhouselee, Alexander Fraser (1854). Universal History: From the Creation of the World to the Beginning of the Eighteenth Century, Vol. I. Petridge and Company. p. 216.

Attributed

• A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the majority discovers it can vote itself largess out of the public treasury. After that, the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits with the result the democracy collapses because of the loose fiscal policy ensuing, always to be followed by a dictatorship, then a monarchy.
  • The earliest known attribution of this quote was December 9, 1951, in what appears to be an op-ed piece in The Daily Oklahoman under the byline Elmer T. Peterson, Elmer T. Peterson (9 December 1951). "This is the Hard Core of Freedom". Daily Oklahoman: p. 12A.. The quote has not been found in Tytler's work. It has also been attributed to Alexis de Tocqueville.
  • There are many variants circulating with various permutations of majority, voters, citizens, or public. Ronald Reagan is known to have used this in speeches, as reported in Loren Collins, "The Truth About Tytler":
  • Other variants:
    The American Republic will endure until politicians realize they can bribe the people with their own money.
    The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money.

• The historical cycle seems to be: From bondage to spiritual faith; from spiritual faith to courage; from courage to liberty; from liberty to abundance, from abundance to selfishness; from selfishness to apathy, from apathy to dependency; and from dependency back to bondage once more.

• This quotation was actually by Henning W. Prentis, Jr., president of the Armstrong Cork Company and former president of the National Association of Manufacturers, in a February 1943 address entitled "The Cult of Competency" delivered at a Mid-Year Convocation of the General Alumni Society of the University of Pennsylvania (The General Magazine and Historical Chronicle, Vol. XLV, Numb. III, April 1943, pp. 272-73).
• This quotation sometimes appears joined with the above one, most notably as part of a longer piece which began circulating on the Internet shortly after the 2000 U.S. Presidential Election ("The Fall of the Athenian Republic," Urban Legends Reference Pages):

A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship.
The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the beginning of history has been about 200 years. During those 200 years, these nations always progressed through the following sequence:

• From bondage to spiritual faith;
• From spiritual faith to great courage;
• From courage to liberty;
• From liberty to abundance;
• From abundance to complacency;
• From complacency to apathy;
• From apathy to dependence;
• From dependence back into bondage

The quotation, in many forms, has been attributed to Arnold Toynbee, Benjamin Franklin, Alexis de Tocqueville, and Robert A. Heinlein. The basic idea for the quotation is common to number of authors, IMHO.
I agree with Jackie - it is a concept operative in our government today - just look at California. If our Nation goes that way - and we are heading that way - our representative democracy will be bankrupted, and our form of government ended.

What is the tiping point - hard to know.

Please go to the polls and vote your conscience today.

It is time we all tightened our belts and denied ourselves government largess in the interest of freedom.

[Jackie S]

The takers now outnumber the givers. By takers I mean anybody that is getting some kind of Government Check. The takers are counting on the givers to never get discouraged and just keep producing and paying. Maybe they are right. Heck, I am 72 years old, and I plan on just "keeping on keeping on" untill something stops me, which at my age could be anything.

In a way, I am a "taker", in that I get a substantial SS check each month. The reason it is substantial is because I waited untill 70 to start drawing,and I paid a lot in through the years.

My fear is one day too many will simply say it's not worth it any more, and just quit. It won't happen in my lifetime, but if the Quote is correct, it will happen.