SCOTUS and The Travel Ban

[garhkal]

Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

FWIW I totally agree with the decision. Never said otherwise. As long as those with a currently valid visa are allowed into the U.S. I don't think it will do any good but now it's time to start the 90 day/120 day clock and move on to the real issue --

To me 90/120 days is no where near long enough..

[SpeedRacerXXX]

Originally Posted by garhkal

To me 90/120 days is no where near long enough..

Interesting statement. I assume that they did their research and determined that 90/120 days was enough time to get the job done, or possibly they didn't want the number of days to be too extreme, knowing that a travel ban would not be popular with many.

It will be interesting to see what happens.

[garhkal]

It was imo the latter. They knew people (especially the leftists) would froth at the mouth if it was longer than 120 days..

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by garhkal

It was imo the latter. They knew people (especially the leftists) would froth at the mouth if it was longer than 120 days..

The "ban" IS AND WAS ONLY for the purpose of establishing a process and standards by which to investigate and screen persons desiring to come to the U.S. from those countries listed by Obaminable, which have internal deficiencies in their own tracking of their own people.

Anyone who criticizes the ban/process to gain entry into the U.S. based on "time" constraints is either wanting terrorists to enter this country freely and often or they don't know shit about identifying, verifying, documenting, and investigating people outside of the Western Hemisphere (and even South of our Southern Border). They are just talking shit and blowing it out of their asses.

Here's the "reality" ... "Go get your family documents"!

[gnadfly]

Originally Posted by LexusLover

The "ban" IS AND WAS ONLY for the purpose of establishing a process and standards by which to investigate and screen persons desiring to come to the U.S. from those countries listed by Obaminable, which have internal deficiencies in their own tracking of their own people.

Anyone who criticizes the ban/process to gain entry into the U.S. based on "time" constraints is either wanting terrorists to enter this country freely and often or they don't know shit about identifying, verifying, documenting, and investigating people outside of the Western Hemisphere (and even South of our Southern Border). They are just talking shit and blowing it out of their asses.

Here's the "reality" ... "Go get your family documents"!

Will the new FBI director guarantee the vetting of folks from those countries like the prior FBI director said he couldn't?
Heck, the FBI couldn't even scrutinize the DNC server!

Remember when it was revealed the vetters weren't even checking immigrant smart phones?

With the reduction in "free money", I think the number of entrance seekers will be reduced naturally.

[garhkal]

Originally Posted by gnadfly

Will the new FBI director guarantee the vetting of folks from those countries like the prior FBI director said he couldn't?
Heck, the FBI couldn't even scrutinize the DNC server!

I honestly don't know. BUT i will be willing to give him a chance...

Originally Posted by gnadfly

Remember when it was revealed the vetters weren't even checking immigrant smart phones?

Totally duce move. PLUS i they are so 'poor immigrants' WHY DO they all seem to have the latest fully roaming smart phones??

Originally Posted by gnadfly

With the reduction in "free money", I think the number of entrance seekers will be reduced naturally.

We can hope!

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by gnadfly

Will the new FBI director guarantee the vetting of folks from those countries .....

... No! ... Now if he signs off on the "vetting" standards and process then he might, but his guarantee is no better than the person doing the work of making certain all standards and processes have been met, and reviewing the documentation generated by those standards and processes.

Catch 22!

Instructions ....

1. Here is a list of documents we need for the review.
2. When you have ALL THE DOCUMENTS GATHERED ON THE LIST then submit them with your APPLICATION in person at this office.

Be safe, you hear?

Now, take another look at the pic where Hussain's house is located where he has the family Quran stashed.

[garhkal]

Good point. Those in CHARGE can give all the promises they want. if the people DOING THE paper pushing don't do THEIR job right, it matters little what those promises were..

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by garhkal

Good point. Those in CHARGE can give all the promises they want. if the people DOING THE paper pushing don't do THEIR job right, it matters little what those promises were..

Actually, that wasn't my POINT.

The critics (on and off the board) obviously don't know shit about the hurdles, obstacles, and realities of INVESTIGATING AND VERIFYING the identity and authenticity of people and papers in 3rd to 5th world countries. They can't even do that in Mexico.

The same goofballs who are talking shit about "vetting" fugitives are the same ones who proudly announced that "you can keep your insurance if you want it" and "you can keep your doctors" if you want them! Gruber is still laughing his ass off.

And anyone who parrots their bullshit is a dumbass or a liar.

We have similar examples of verification problems in this country after natural disasters of verifying documents proving identity and authenticity. The "news" about ISIS taking control of at least "print shops" that were creating fake travel documents is apparently lost of those who want to ridicule the POTUS and his efforts to control who comes into this country, which the POTUS says is UP TO THE POTUS ... SO LONG AS IT DOES NOT VIOLATE THE EXISTING STATUTORY SCHEME.

BACK TO MY POINT: The clerk/administrator overseaing processing the paperwork CONTROLS who comes in and who doesn't. They can turn down their application for: failure to produce authenticated documents to demonstrate nationality and family ties.....and they can keep them in the "administrative process revolving door" until they produce acceptable, verified documents.

The "fake wife" participating in the San Bernardino shooting was the result of inadequate investigation and "cultural" correctness .... not to mention copious amounts of sentimental bullshit over "romance"!

[SpeedRacerXXX]

Originally Posted by garhkal

Good point. Those in CHARGE can give all the promises they want. if the people DOING THE paper pushing don't do THEIR job right, it matters little what those promises were..

The strict vetting processes began with Bush, were investigated and slightly improved under Obama, and are now being looked at again by Trump. Below are links to the current refugee vetting processes in place and some comments on them. It takes 12-18 months from beginning to end. If the process is not "perfect" hopefully the Trump investigation will find those problems and fix them. What is important to remember, despite the naysayers, is that not a single person in the U.S. has been killed by anyone from the countries in the travel ban in a terrorist attack. I think that that speaks volumes for the current vetting processes.

http://www.heritage.org/immigration/...-process-works

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poste...=.7e1e7be3c028

[I B Hankering]

Before he went on a shooting rampage, "Doctor" Henry Bello was a Nigerian immigrant and Dominican medical student working at a New York hospital on an education permit that expired in July 2016 ... and he was still in this country two years after he was told to quit or be fired. According to New York state records, there is no medical license on file for "Doctor" Henry Bellow.



(NBC)

[garhkal]

Originally Posted by LexusLover

BACK TO MY POINT: The clerk/administrator overseaing processing the paperwork CONTROLS who comes in and who doesn't. They can turn down their application for: failure to produce authenticated documents to demonstrate nationality and family ties.....and they can keep them in the "administrative process revolving door" until they produce acceptable, verified documents.

The "fake wife" participating in the San Bernardino shooting was the result of inadequate investigation and "cultural" correctness .... not to mention copious amounts of sentimental bullshit over "romance"!

And that's what I was trying to get at. It doesn't matter how much the powers that be promise.. THE clerics doing the vetting have to have the proper paperwork, and good luck getting any..

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by garhkal

THE clerics doing the vetting have to have the proper paperwork, and good luck getting any..

And the "clerks" (I assume you meant "clerks" and not "clerics") are locals.

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

The strict vetting processes began with Bush, were investigated and slightly improved under Obama, and are now being looked at again by Trump. Below are links to the current refugee vetting processes in place and some comments on them. It takes 12-18 months from beginning to end. If the process is not "perfect" hopefully the Trump investigation will find those problems and fix them. What is important to remember, despite the naysayers, is that not a single person in the U.S. has been killed by anyone from the countries in the travel ban in a terrorist attack. I think that that speaks volumes for the current vetting processes.

And you claim to be "from Austin"?

Your "proof" of the effectiveness of the "strict vetting process" is that "not a single person in the U.S. has been killed by anyone from the countries in the travel ban in a terrorist attack."

Your same conclusion proves the so called "strict vetting" doesn't work, as well as at least one terror attack in which the "strict vetting" failed a room full of co-employees have a party! Unless, of course, you want to show more of your ignorance and claim that the "strict vetting" process you claim was established during the Bush administration was only applied to the six countries on Obaminable's "watch list" that are the same as those on Trump's ban list!

http://abcnews.go.com/US/inside-immi...ry?id=35912170

See "Comey" ... your HERO! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rizwan...Tashfeen_Malik

"Malik was born in Pakistan but lived most of her life in Saudi Arabia.[11][24][34]..."

"Comey said that the FBI's investigation had revealed that Farook and Malik were "consuming poison on the Internet" and both had become radicalized "before they started courting or dating each other online" and "before the emergence of ISIL."[55][57] As a result, Comey said that "untangling the motivations of which particular terrorist propaganda motivated in what way remains a challenge in these investigations, and our work is ongoing there."[55]"

"strict vetting" .... narrow focus on paperwork presented by the applicant.

Your "proof" is not "proof" of anything ... other than you are an ignorant carpetbagger, who pretends to know it all .... Unless you desire to admit your "proof" shows there was not "strict vetting"! You should stick with riding bicycles and showing off your ass in your tight bicycle shorts! That way you can get rid of the training wheels sooner.

BTW: How many passports do you have?

[Gabe Asher]

I was shocked and sicknend seeing all the Muslims in the once nice area of town where I live. Trump needs to do something quick. The country may already be beyond repair