No blacks and no AA

[Longermonger]

Originally Posted by Solid_Snake

Because believe it or not racism and stereotyping still exist.

Things that also exist: extremely high HIV infection in AA males, and high incarceration rate of AA males. It could *maybe* be argued that racism accounts for 100% of of the incarceration rate being SIX TIMES higher than that of white males, but racism does not explain why AA account for 44% of new HIV infections when they are only 12% of the population. I could also be argued that racism is less than 100% responsible for the high incarceration rate.

Another thing that exists: attraction. Some women just aren't attracted to certain types of men. Just like some men aren't attracted to some kinds of women. Are you attracted to old women? If not, does that make you ageist? Are you attracted to fat women? If not, does that make you a fat shamer? Are you attracted to men? If not, does that make you homophobic? No. You just like what you like. Attraction is not a choice. But you do have control over with whom you sleep. Some of the women are trying to take control over who they see and there's nothing wrong with that.

I can just imagine you checking out the W4W ads on Craigslist and getting mad when the hot bisexual and lesbians on there post "NO MEN! NO MEN! NO MEN!". Dude, they just aren't that into you. Chill.

[Cleo]

Originally Posted by Longermonger

Things that also exist: extremely high HIV infection in AA males, and high incarceration rate of AA males. It could *maybe* be argued that racism accounts for 100% of of the incarceration rate being SIX TIMES higher than that of white males, but racism does not explain why AA account for 44% of new HIV infections when they are only 12% of the population. I could also be argued that racism is less than 100% responsible for the high incarceration rate.

Another thing that exists: attraction. Some women just aren't attracted to certain types of men. Just like some men aren't attracted to some kinds of women. Are you attracted to old women? If not, does that make you ageist? Are you attracted to fat women? If not, does that make you a fat shamer? Are you attracted to men? If not, does that make you homophobic? No. You just like what you like. Attraction is not a choice. But you do have control over with whom you sleep. Some of the women are trying to take control over who they see and there's nothing wrong with that.

I can just imagine you checking out the W4W ads on Craigslist and getting mad when the hot bisexual and lesbians on there post "NO MEN! NO MEN! NO MEN!". Dude, they just aren't that into you. Chill.

Any time we make a decision based on the race of a person, that decision IS a racist decision. Here in this hobby and in other areas of life, we have the right to do just that. But for the love of all that is right, can we please just own it?

Let's not try and justify it or make excuses for it, as doing that is insulting in and of itself. We're all, for the most part, intelligent adults and coming up with all of these pseudo reasons for it is absolutely sickening.

Even the most staunch "NO AA" provider will quickly drop her policy for some rich or hot celebrity, athlete, or businessman, but because that is not the typical client the the ladies happen across, their policy doesn't affect their bottom line. Even more so, at crunch time, when money is tight, many will suspend their policy out of necessity, and none of the "factors" mentioned are part of their decision as long as the client passes screening.

Consider this, I'm sure that many of us agree when looking at domestic pets, there are no inherently "bad breeds" of canine? Only "bad owners?" But when we look at each other, we are only too quick to suggest that our race is directly related to our behavior? Crime and violence have nothing to do with geography, race, gender, or anything else we try to blanket it with. It is an individual's makeup and decision making.

Keep your stats, wrap yourself in them if they comfort you, that's your choice. But please try and remember, raw data is the only true data. All other has been manipulated for cause. Just please, please, let us own our choices and stop trying to make it seem as if we're not guilty of doing what we have done.

Be well, be safe, and enjoy.

[zeejoe]

[NASDAQ]

As usual, I have to jump on this topic. I also soap box on it basically not understanding the logic of a couple major points 1.preference--p-l-e-a-s-e...that is sooo crazy, providers see morbidly obese, old as the hills, handicaps like ostemies...rarely are any of those excluded...
2.race as screen is ladies being lazy...get the freaking references on the guy if you or your pimp worried a black dude is a pimp.


Now, here is my challenge...every time I post this type of response, I ask for s provider or pimp who controls their ECCIE account explain it. Why do you see ugly , nasty, rude, cheap, obese, unintelligent guys but not AA males. Also, enlighten us on how race is a good factor to screen on vs real discussion with a provider or a few factors like character.


I expect no response.. please surprise me... I don't think I'll name but go on thx.

[NASDAQ]

Originally Posted by Longermonger

Things that also exist: extremely high HIV infection in AA males, and high incarceration rate of AA males. It could *maybe* be argued that racism accounts for 100% of of the incarceration rate being SIX TIMES higher than that of white males, but racism does not explain why AA account for 44% of new HIV infections when they are only 12% of the population. I could also be argued that racism is less than 100% responsible for the high incarceration rate.

Another thing that exists: attraction. Some women just aren't attracted to certain types of men. Just like some men aren't attracted to some kinds of women. Are you attracted to old women? If not, does that make you ageist? Are you attracted to fat women? If not, does that make you a fat shamer? Are you attracted to men? If not, does that make you homophobic? No. You just like what you like. Attraction is not a choice. But you do have control over with whom you sleep. Some of the women are trying to take control over who they see and there's nothing wrong with that.

I can just imagine you checking out the W4W ads on Craigslist and getting mad when the hot bisexual and lesbians on there post "NO MEN! NO MEN! NO MEN!". Dude, they just aren't that into you. Chill.

I wish it were like you say. Yes us guys may think just like you said in terms of preferences but we can cause guys are the customer. A lot of what you said about HIV and incarceration are interesting but many bisexuals have high hiv rates.. no one says " no bi guys." Most provider don't discriminate on tiny little limp cocks, obesity , lame jobs, plain old ugly, facial hair etc..I am no Don Juan, but girls see me. Again I think the speculation of no AA from guys is just that and is a client view. Of course choice works. Without using grossly incorrect stereotypes, can a no AA provider or pimp running the acouny explain why they don't see a well dressed, well mannered, extremely well reviewed AA men when you'll see my ugly scarred up Latino ass, the morbidly obese, people with little limp little dicks, socially awkward, etc men as long as they bring the green?

Ladies?

[Savannah Moon]

The only time I decline seeing anyone is if I feel we won't clique. I enjoy laughing, playing, and highly energetic encounters.
My only restrictions are age & personality.
If you are a 20 yr old..
Naw.. Not my Forte, irregardless of race.
I always chat with a gent prior to meeting. If the personality is wry..
Naw...
I have met with several amazingly wonderful AA gentlemen, I am just completely turned on by intelligence, personality and sense of humor...PERIOD!!
I don't know about anyone else but I am thinking about Finding some fun Missouri Hills & SLEDDING..SNOW DAY!!
And a highly intense workout later!! OH YEA!!!

[NASDAQ]

One last poke, the ladies that have posted don't have no AA policies, and not surprised at all. Savannah explained a couple general rules about young age and an interview. Rationale included. I am still interested in understanding a provider view with no AA policies(here on ECCiE it's a lower percentage than back-page) and if it's a choice thing, why that and not exclude something else? I've only seen educated or not so educated guesses by hobbyist. I don't expect any responses so I'm letting my part die here.. as the others in thread mentioned there are a zillion threads on this with no real understanding from the people that have them.

[DallasRain]

Originally Posted by NASDAQ

As usual, I have to jump on this topic. I also soap box on it basically not understanding the logic of a couple major points 1.preference--p-l-e-a-s-e...that is sooo crazy, providers see morbidly obese, old as the hills, handicaps like ostemies...rarely are any of those excluded...
2.race as screen is ladies being lazy...get the freaking references on the guy if you or your pimp worried a black dude is a pimp.


Now, here is my challenge...every time I post this type of response, I ask for s provider or pimp who controls their ECCIE account explain it. Why do you see ugly , nasty, rude, cheap, obese, unintelligent guys but not AA males. Also, enlighten us on how race is a good factor to screen on vs real discussion with a provider or a few factors like character.


I expect no response.. please surprise me... I don't think I'll name but go on thx.

I see a gent who has a colostomy bag....alot of providers wont see him because of it.......
And I see a gent who weighs 450lbs.....only a couple other providers will see him

to me,itt is all about attitude!

[Savannah Moon]

Originally Posted by NASDAQ

One last poke, the ladies that have posted don't have no AA policies, and not surprised at all. Savannah explained a couple general rules about young age and an interview. Rationale included. I am still interested in understanding a provider view with no AA policies(here on ECCiE it's a lower percentage than back-page) and if it's a choice thing, why that and not exclude something else? I've only seen educated or not so educated guesses by hobbyist. I don't expect any responses so I'm letting my part die here.. as the others in thread mentioned there are a zillion threads on this with no real understanding from the people that have them.

I have discussed the reasoning with you & other members..You KNOW they are not going to ever answer that..but you KNOW why.
I feel a little anger when a GENTLEMAN is contacting me and in his introduction he says " I am an African American are you ok with that..I didn't see an AA restriction in your post/ showcase"
Not anger toward them ..anger because they feel it is about them...IT IS NOT..I at that point EXPLAIN what is really going on ..in hopes to shed a little light & to encourage them to be grateful that the restriction is there.
It is not racism..it is alpha male- ism.
Unless someone feels the need to correct me.. DOUBTFUL..but feel free.

[Kat VonDee]

Everyone has a different reason as to why their ads say "No AA". I've never heard the reason being that supposedly most AA gentlemen have diseases or because of incarcerations...
I've been told several reasons though
-Some girls feel like AA hobbyists have the highest tendency to haggle a provider on their rates.
-Just like some girls won't see a man who's very obese due to her preference, maybe she's not comfortable seeing an AA gentleman, after all, we do have as much say so in who we want to see like the guys do.
-A majority a men involved in this hobby who are pimps tend to be AA, & some girls are fearful of getting robbed or kidnapped, or worse...

I have no problem seeing any race or size, as long as you're respectful & can pass my screening that's all that matters. But I do know it's harder for an AA man to get his foot in the door in the hobby due to so many providers being skeptical of him & his intentions. My advice for that is to build a positive board persona, get references from reputable providers & write reviews.

[Guest021217]

Here we go again smh

[cR7]

Originally Posted by Longermonger

Things that also exist: extremely high HIV infection in AA males, and high incarceration rate of AA males. It could *maybe* be argued that racism accounts for 100% of of the incarceration rate being SIX TIMES higher than that of white males, but racism does not explain why AA account for 44% of new HIV infections when they are only 12% of the population. I could also be argued that racism is less than 100% responsible for the high incarceration rate.

Another thing that exists: attraction. Some women just aren't attracted to certain types of men. Just like some men aren't attracted to some kinds of women. Are you attracted to old women? If not, does that make you ageist? Are you attracted to fat women? If not, does that make you a fat shamer? Are you attracted to men? If not, does that make you homophobic? No. You just like what you like. Attraction is not a choice. But you do have control over with whom you sleep. Some of the women are trying to take control over who they see and there's nothing wrong with that.

I can just imagine you checking out the W4W ads on Craigslist and getting mad when the hot bisexual and lesbians on there post "NO MEN! NO MEN! NO MEN!". Dude, they just aren't that into you. Chill.

Bullshit. Attraction is not a factor in this hobby. Most of you mongers are fat, ugly old men. Old enough to be these girls' grandpas. You can't tell me that all the providers are attracted to fat old white men. They're not, but they see them anyway. And what point are you trying to make by providing stats about blacks? This is ECCIE, if a gentleman can be screened and vouched for through references by other verified providers. You should have no issue seeing him regardless of his skin color, unless you are really racist or pimped and that's fine. Just say it like it is

[Savannah Moon]

Originally Posted by cR7

Bullshit. Attraction is not a factor in this hobby. Most of you mongers are fat, ugly old men. Old enough to be these girls' grandpas. You can't tell me that all the providers are attracted to fat old white men. They're not, but they see them anyway. And what point are you trying to make by providing stats about blacks? This is ECCIE, if a gentleman can be screened and vouched for through references by other verified providers. You should have no issue seeing him regardless of his skin color, unless you are really racist or pimped and that's fine. Just say it like it is

Not necessarily true..I will not see egotistical fucking ass holes..EVER.
They are completely unattractive to me in every aspect!!
There is no way I can sit in a room with one let alone have the desire to rock his world ..
It funny to me if men think we as providers are OBLIGATED to see everyone who contacts us .
That is False.. alot providers are not..under thumb & have a choice on whether or not to see or not see anyone who contacts us!
There are ALOT more of you..clients ..than us. I see only people I clique with..PERIOD.
Does that limit me in any way...no
It absolutely does not. Makes it Hella FUN!!!

[cR7]

Originally Posted by Savannah Moon

Not necessarily true..I will not see egotistical fucking ass holes..EVER.
They are completely unattractive to me in every aspect!!
There is no way I can sit in a room with one let alone have the desire to rock his world ..
It funny to me if men think we as providers are OBLIGATED to see everyone who contacts us .
That is False.. alot providers are not..under thumb & have a choice on whether or not to see or not see anyone who contacts us!
There are ALOT more of you..clients ..than us. I see only people I clique with..PERIOD.
Does that limit me in any way...no
It absolutely does not. Makes it Hella FUN!!!

You just made my point clearer, as long as a guy's character is not bad, his race ALONE should never be the reason you wont see him unless you are racist. And you have the right to be racist. Just be brave and say it

[Savannah Moon]

Originally Posted by cR7

You just made my point clearer, as long as a guy's character is not bad, his race ALONE should never be the reason you wont see him unless you are racist. And you have the right to be racist. Just be brave and say it

Don't you think that is EVER going to happen...
NO.
It isn't. EVER.