Obamacare is a flop

[Trey]

I have a plan in the market place it cost me 80 bucks a month takes me about 3 days at most to get to see my doctor. My job offers insurance but I got a better deal at the market. The rate went up this year... By $5.00. I am trying to decide if I should join the trump team or just pay the damn $5. I think I will pay the five. My deductible was 4 or 500 that did suck. This time I will go with a non deductible plan. It will cost an extra 5 or so.

When dealing with the industry we do here one would hope easy access to healthcare would help your dick not to look like a piece of fried chicken after fucking with these hoes. I'd expect at least some of us to be happy about that.

[Still-Naughty]

Originally Posted by lizardking

Thank goodness. Why not go ahead and join the rest of the industrialized world in providing health care to our citizens?

The worry about getting the guv'ment in between you and your doctor is such bullshit. As it now stands, you have insurance companies and healthcare corporations in between you and your doctor. I'll take my chances with government incompetence over corporate greed any day. Insurance companies have fucking both you and your doctor out of money down to a science. Actually, it's called actuarial science. And it is highly effective.

The fact that some healthcare companies are raising ACA premiums in some states has gotten much attention in the press. Blue Cross Blue Shield is one of those companies. They complain that they can't make any money anymore. Do a little research. You'll see that they just split-up something like $50 million in bonuses among their top ten executives. Why, it's hardly worth keeping the doors open.

Note that law firms and accounting firms are not and cannot be publicly-traded entities. They are professions that require putting the interests of clients first, and that imperative precludes putting the lawyers and accountants in the position of having to also serve the needs of passive shareholders (i.e., corporate greed). In my view, medicine should be the same. Think about that the next time you wonder whether that $3500 MRI is really necessary.

Well written!!!

[zerodahero]

[Don T. Lukbak]

Waiting lists: under traditional medical system exist now...for heart transplants and the like because the organ resource pool is limited; under single payer there will be waiting lists for pretty much everything beyond bandaids and aspirin. How else to manage virtually unlimited demand for scarce resources other than to ration it?

I get it; spoiled American plebs - formerly known as citizens - need to acquire patience, humility, and aspiration to join the anointed political class whose name will never appear on a waiting list.

[GlobeSpotter]

Originally Posted by Trey

I have a plan in the market place it cost me 80 bucks a month takes me about 3 days at most to get to see my doctor.
.....

I'm going to stick my neck out and guess that:

-- you're fairly young

-- you don't have a lot of income

Compare to my family plan at 12k per year plus 10K deductible slash cap.

So I'm spending 22k per year in the plan plus cash to the docs he said i could keep and meds not covered.

Plus dental and vision...cash.

[Trey]

I don't have to report a good portion. And I'm single no kids. So for me it works great. If I had kids and a wife I'm not sure what the rate would be.

[instfixer]

My SO would be dead without the ACA
Sure it sucks but there is nothing else

Do you know how employers keep health care costs down? by laying off the older worker. If you are at least 50 years old and are laid off getting another job with benefits is very difficult. The more older workers that a company has, the higher the health care premium is.

[VitaMan]

Many, many problems with health care and health care services. Some are:

Doctors

Office visit - "do you have insurance" - "your insurance will cover it"
= leads to many un needed tests and un necessary services performed, doctors pocket the money

Drug companies

New drug such as those for adhd - heavily marketed to doctors - diagnosis of people having the condition increases dramatically - doctors and drug companies pocket the money

New medical inventions and procedures

Many incredibly expensive procedures continue to get invented, that only 1 to 2% of the population will ever get. The cost is shifted to all payers of insurance. Insurance costs continue to rise.

[USAsoldier]

Can't wait till President Trump repeals and replaces the ACA with.... with..... with.... with...

*crickets* *crickets*

[GlobeSpotter]

Originally Posted by instfixer

My SO would be dead without the ACA
Sure it sucks but there is nothing else
......

You're wrong. She was welcomed under the system Texas had before the LiberalTards fucked it all up.

[instfixer]

From GlobeSpotter

""You're wrong. She was welcomed under the system Texas had before the Liberal Tards fucked it all up.""

Tell me more I will listen

[GlobeSpotter]

No...I'm listening. You tell me.

Did the Texas system reject her?

Or are you so poor you have to live off the government?

[Sistine Chapel]

Originally Posted by lizardking

Thank goodness. Why not go ahead and join the rest of the industrialized world in providing health care to our citizens?

The worry about getting the guv'ment in between you and your doctor is such bullshit. As it now stands, you have insurance companies and healthcare corporations in between you and your doctor. I'll take my chances with government incompetence over corporate greed any day. Insurance companies have fucking both you and your doctor out of money down to a science. Actually, it's called actuarial science. And it is highly effective.

The fact that some healthcare companies are raising ACA premiums in some states has gotten much attention in the press. Blue Cross Blue Shield is one of those companies. They complain that they can't make any money anymore. Do a little research. You'll see that they just split-up something like $50 million in bonuses among their top ten executives. Why, it's hardly worth keeping the doors open.

Note that law firms and accounting firms are not and cannot be publicly-traded entities. They are professions that require putting the interests of clients first, and that imperative precludes putting the lawyers and accountants in the position of having to also serve the needs of passive shareholders (i.e., corporate greed). In my view, medicine should be the same. Think about that the next time you wonder whether that $3500 MRI is really necessary.

^ 100. Excellent synopsis.

I now have an Hispanic doctor but before him I had a Black doctor and he kept it real with me. In fact told me a couple of times I didn't need an MRI all it would do is help pay for his boat. Best dam doctor I ever had all he had to do was stop fucking some of his female patients (and dam near causing cat fights at his practice) and he would have still been employed.

[Sistine Chapel]

Originally Posted by GlobeSpotter

I'm going to stick my neck out and guess that:

-- you're fairly young

-- you don't have a lot of income

Compare to my family plan at 12k per year plus 10K deductible slash cap.

So I'm spending 22k per year in the plan plus cash to the docs he said i could keep and meds not covered.

Plus dental and vision...cash.

Besides all your incessant complaining about all things LIFE do you ever have solutions to ANYTHING?

Of course not.

Carry on

[GlobeSpotter]

I rarely complain. I prefer to post the facts.

They're just blurred by the bitterness in your eyes.

I've got solutions to most of it.

But they'll never be implemented with so many butt hurt negros like you voting the way you do.

Edit: back to my playcation.....