551 MASS SHOOTING DEATHS SINCE CHARLESTON ATTACK

[SpeedRacerXXX]

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_vi..._United_States

really? don't think so speedbump.

11,208 deaths by homicide (3.5 per 100,000)

21,175 by suicide with a firearm

so .. outlaw guns and no one commits suicide? right! idiot. they'll just OD on prescription drugs or {forbidden ones}. or hang themselves. so let's outlaw rope and belts. that's how Robin Williams committed suicide. no belts, no suicide! gotdam you are dumber than a stump boy.

I really was not focusing on the suicide part but rather on the homicide part, but since you brought it up. NEVER have I supported outlawing guns. NEVER. Suicide, whether by gun or some other way, is a major problem in the U.S. However, homicides and suicides are to me totally different issues -- homicides are one person killing another and suicide is a person killing himself/herself.

Studies have shown that when guns are present in the home, the rates of suicide are higher.

Source: https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/ma...s-and-suicide/

"A study by the Harvard School of Public Health of all 50 U.S. states reveals a powerful link between rates of firearm ownership and suicides. Based on a survey of American households conducted in 2002, HSPH Assistant Professor of Health Policy and Management Matthew Miller, Research Associate Deborah Azrael, and colleagues at the School’s Injury Control Research Center (ICRC), found that in states where guns were prevalent—as in Wyoming, where 63 percent of households reported owning guns—rates of suicide were higher. The inverse was also true: where gun ownership was less common, suicide rates were also lower.

The lesson? Many lives would likely be saved if people disposed of their firearms, kept them locked away, or stored them outside the home."

Also, many studies have shown that people who have guns in their homes are also more in danger of being a victim of homicide;

Source: http://aje.oxfordjournals.org/content/160/10/929.full

"Our findings also suggest that the presence of a gun in the home increases the chance that a homicide or suicide in the home will be committed with a firearm rather than by using other means. For victims of homicide, there was also a strong association between guns in the home and risk of dying from a firearm-related homicide, but this risk varied by age and whether the person was living with others at the time of death."

Another interesting finding from the study:

"Over three quarters (76.3 percent) of the homicide victims knew their assailant. Nearly one third (31.7 percent) of the homicides occurred during a family argument, 15.4 percent during a robbery, 4.1 percent during a drug deal, 0.2 percent during an abduction, and 44.1 percent for other unspecified reasons. In 4.5 percent of the homicides, multiple circumstances were reported."

So, according to the study, if you are a homicide victim in your home, it is very likely you will know the person who killed you and it is twice as likely that someone else who lives in the home will shoot you than someone coming into the home.

And if you choose to not believe that study:

Source: https://www.thetrace.org/2015/06/new...violent-crime/

“Our findings refute the argument that gun ownership deters strangers from committing homicide,” Dr. Siegel explained. “Instead, these findings suggest that gun ownership actually increases the risk of violent death.”

And if you choose to not believe either of those studies:

Source: https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/f...uns-and-death/

"Using survey data on rates of household gun ownership, we examined the association between gun availability and homicide across states, 2001-2003. We found that states with higher levels of household gun ownership had higher rates of firearm homicide and overall homicide. This relationship held for both genders and all age groups, after accounting for rates of aggravated assault, robbery, unemployment, urbanization, alcohol consumption, and resource deprivation (e.g., poverty). There was no association between gun prevalence and non-firearm homicide."

I can cite many more studies but they all reach the same conclusion. I'm sure that you will continue to believe what you want to believe and think that your opinion outweighs all contrary evidence, and I really don't care if you continue to do so. For me, this all validates my decision to not have a gun in the home.

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

As is said before, you are so stupid it sometimes hurts my head to read your posts. I stipulated NOTHING. Once again you make vague references to statements I've supposedly made with absolutely NOTHING concrete to back them up .

Your lies are more transparent than a glass full of water, speedy. You made it clear that you are for increasing gun regulation, and you wouldn't be here arguing if you weren't, speedy.

Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

First, I've never seen the ratio that was presented and it is simply ridiculous when you stop and think about it. It is simply a fabrication of IBanIdiot's fractured mind and shows nothing tangible. The more guns the better the statistic looks. Forget that there's no evidence to support it.

Second, you call me an idiot when you attribute a statement to me which I did not make. It was contained in the article I cited. If you are going to call me an idiot, at least call me an idiot for something I said.

"And, even though the United States' suicide rate is similar to other countries, the nation's gun-related suicide rate is eight times higher than other high-income countries, researchers said."

You are an idiot, speedy. That ratio proves that the mere presence of guns is not the driving force behind the homicide rate, speedy.

[Rey Lengua]

Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

If you don't want to read my posts, please put me on "Ignore". I won't be offended. If you are not bright enough to understand my posts, please put me on "Ignore".

I was NOT referring to the CHL requirements currently in affect in the state of Texas. There are states that support Constitutional Carry. Some people in the state of Texas have come out in favor of Constitutional Carry. I am against it. If you are for it, fine. I have absolutely no problem with your opinion. There is nothing I, or anyone else, can do about criminals carrying guns. There is nothing I can do about someone getting behind the steering wheel of a car and driving without a driver's license. But there are some areas where we do have the power to control and one of those areas is doing something to make sure that people who want to carry handguns on the street meet specific requirements. Unlike you, I respect the opinions of others. I may disagree but I accept them. What I've found over the years is that many gun owners simply can't accept opinions of others that differ from their own opinions.

" What I've found over the years is that ALL LIBERALS simply can't accept the opinion of others that differ from their own opinions. " FTFY, LIB !

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by Rey Lengua

" What I've found over the years is that ALL LIBERALS simply can't accept the opinion of others that differ from their own opinions. " FTFY, LIB !

It's pretty damn clear that that moron is arguing for further abridging the rights of gun owners and then stupidly, in an open forum ... in the same breath, has the gall to deny he doing so. He damn well admitted his "opinion" regarding gun regulation is contrary to that of gun owners who, by-and-large, want no more regulation. Ergo, despite his lies to the contrary, speedy wants more regulation: the opinion, as speedy notes, that differs from that of gun owners.

[Rey Lengua]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

It's pretty damn clear that that moron is arguing for further abridging the rights of gun owners and then stupidly, in an open forum, has the gall to deny he doing so in the same breath. He damn well admitted his "opinion" regarding gun regulation is contrary to that of gun owners who, by-and-large, want no more regulation. Ergo, despite his lies to the contrary, speedy wants more regulation.

He appears to be an acolyte of the " It depends on what the definition of ' is ' is " school. And firmly believes that his lying protestations of " I did NOT..." will be accepted as truth.

[SpeedRacerXXX]

Originally Posted by Rey Lengua

" What I've found over the years is that ALL LIBERALS simply can't accept the opinion of others that differ from their own opinions. " FTFY, LIB !

Great stereotype. "ALL LIBERALS". The same can be said of just about everyone on this forum.

[SpeedRacerXXX]

Originally Posted by Rey Lengua

He appears to be an acolyte of the " It depends on what the definition of ' is ' is " school. And firmly believes that his lying protestations of " I did NOT..." will be accepted as truth.

I'll make the same challenge to you that I've made to others. What lies have I made? Hopefully you can make a better case than IBanIdiot and come up with specifics rather than responding like a broken record.

At least you did not make homophobic slurs towards me. I appreciate that.

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

I'll make the same challenge to you that I've made to others. What lies have I made? Hopefully you can make a better case than IBanIdiot and come up with specifics rather than responding like a broken record.

At least you did make homophobic slurs towards me.

You'd be the 'broken record' denying your POV, speedy.

[dilbert firestorm]

Originally Posted by southtown4488

Most of the mass shootings in the US are not done by Muslims, they are done by Christian . .. should we go to war with Christians?

I believe those were liberal democrat christians or atheist.

[dilbert firestorm]

Originally Posted by southtown4488

whats ur point?

oph yea, Chicago has strict gun laws and a high gun murder rate. that must prove that gun laws cause more gun murders. right?

except for the inconvenient fact that one can drive not too far away and legally buy guns with no background check.

one small problem with that. most of the guns in the murders are illegal black market guns, some are illegal straw purchases.

[dilbert firestorm]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

It's you and your ilk who are ranting, suckclown. Keep sucking, suckclown.

perfect!!! bunch of cry babies!!!

[gnadfly]

Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

If you don't want to read my posts, please put me on "Ignore". I won't be offended. If you are not bright enough to understand my posts, please put me on "Ignore".

I was NOT referring to the CHL requirements currently in affect in the state of Texas. There are states that support Constitutional Carry. Some people in the state of Texas have come out in favor of Constitutional Carry. I am against it. If you are for it, fine. I have absolutely no problem with your opinion. There is nothing I, or anyone else, can do about criminals carrying guns. There is nothing I can do about someone getting behind the steering wheel of a car and driving without a driver's license. But there are some areas where we do have the power to control and one of those areas is doing something to make sure that people who want to carry handguns on the street meet specific requirements. Unlike you, I respect the opinions of others. I may disagree but I accept them. What I've found over the years is that many gun owners simply can't accept opinions of others that differ from their own opinions.

Really, there's nothing can be done about criminals carrying guns? And you use some weak "get behind a the steering wheel of a car" analogy.

Sorry, you don't accept the opinions of others. You call other "idiots."

There a difference between accepting an opinion and justifying it.

I see why many call you "speedbump."

[nwarounder]

Originally Posted by southtown4488

doesn't matter who is POTUS, if gun laws remain the same we will have more.

So you think if we banned guns the mexicans would respect our new law and not smuggle them across the border and sell them to anyone who wanted to buy one?

We have a little over 40 years of history on bans to make your assessment if you would like to study before answering. My research shows they have absolutely no respect for our current laws, much less another one. Unfortunately, we don't live on an island.

[southtown4488]

Originally Posted by dilbert firestorm

I believe those were liberal democrat christians or atheist.

wrong and dumb

[southtown4488]

Originally Posted by dilbert firestorm

one small problem with that. most of the guns in the murders are illegal black market guns, some are illegal straw purchases.

source?

the assault rifle used to murder 20 kids in Newtown were purchased legally by the shooters mother.