Brand new to all of this. Some questions.

[dadams]

Hi everyone. I'm very new to this whole "hobbying" thing. I've had a couple of experiences abroad, and I've felt like having a few experiences locally. I've perused this site a bit, and based off of some reviews (of which I am unable to view the details of,) I contacted Sexy Vicky http://eccie.net/providers.php?do=view&id=309478 . She asked me for references, which I was unable to provide. After some back and forth texting, which included pictures of my ID, she agreed to meet. She of course was freaking wonderful. I'm not sure how comfortable I am with sending ID pictures out, as every girl may not be as professional as she was.

So, a few questions. What EXACTLY is meant by references, and how do I get them? What other obstacles could exist when I want to book time with a girl? Does anyone else have advice or pointers for some new blood?

[Guest013121]

Vicky is your reference right now. Once you see a few other girls, you'll have more references under your belt. I might suggest doing a review to get you started, if you don't mind writing of your experience with her.

Also note, Vicky did what most girls will do when you have no references and that's ask for employment info and/or your ID/license. Try seeing some newbie friendly ladies or else expect a thorough screening (similar to Vickys) until you build up references.

Good luck!

[johnnyretard]

Originally Posted by dadams

She asked me for references, which I was unable to provide. ?

and when she asked for references, you didnt ask her wtf she meant?

[dadams]

Originally Posted by johnnyretard

and when she asked for references, you didnt ask her wtf she meant?

I did ask her, a little more passive aggressively than that haha. I figured the onus was on me to know what the hell she was talking about. I pretty much just implied that I would find out what I needed to do and check back with her. She took it from there.

[dadams]

Also thanks Gemma for the quick reply.

[satan666]

providers are your reference system. the more you see the more refs you have, that is as long as said provider is willing to give refs to other providers. as some are not. and its always courteous to ask a provider if its ok and also so they expect contact from another lady about you! if you search there are lots of newbie friendly providers just do your research.

have fun and play safe

[zeejoe]

If you're going to do this a lot, consider a third-party verification site like P411.

There are pros and cons to it, but it can take a lot of the hassle and mystery out of the reference process, and there are providers available there you won't see here... and vice-versa. A lady in good standing there can send you a free trial membership link to try it out.

[johnnyretard]

Originally Posted by dadams

I did ask her, a little more passive aggressively than that haha. I figured the onus was on me to know what the hell she was talking about. I pretty much just implied that I would find out what I needed to do and check back with her. She took it from there.

gotcha
well a good way to by pass reference, get a provider to trust you arent bad is to do reviews
be interesting poster, and write a review of whomever you see

ie go make a review of the lady you saw and see others if you want

[johnnyretard]

Originally Posted by zeejoe

If you're going to do this a lot, consider a third-party verification site like P411.

There are pros and cons to it, but it can take a lot of the hassle and mystery out of the reference process, and there are providers available there you won't see here... and vice-versa. A lady in good standing there can send you a free trial membership link to try it out.

I thought about p411, but I don't need someone calling my job

I have references and slowly building up reviews, so the same "background" any lady I want to see has
if they dont want to see me without making me jump through hoops, no big deal
there is no shortage of ladies to see

this guy showed that provider his ID...what does that prove? that he's not LE or he's a nice guy? no, it just gives his info to the lady
Id theft, etc

[dadams]

Originally Posted by johnnyretard

I thought about p411, but I don't need someone calling my job

this guy showed that provider his ID...what does that prove? that he's not LE or he's a nice guy? no, it just gives his info to the lady
Id theft, etc

My thoughts on the matter is that if I was somehow unsavory that she would have my name and picture to give some kind of PSA to other providers. She seemed extremely cautious and professional, but perhaps I'm being naive. Needless to say I'll be watching my ID and credit hits closely.

[Guest090920]

Originally Posted by satan666

...that is as long as said provider is willing to give refs to other providers. as some are not...

In addition to this, there may be another hurdle to overcome; some providers do not accept references from certain other girls.

Originally Posted by dadams

...She seemed extremely cautious and professional, but perhaps I'm being naive. Needless to say I'll be watching my ID and credit hits closely.

I have had discussions with providers from other areas of the country about a trend that seems to be developing that may eventually arrive in KC more so than it already has, i.e., reputable providers requiring an ID if the gentleman is a prospective new client and not just a newbie.

[Mina Harker]

Originally Posted by dadams

My thoughts on the matter is that if I was somehow unsavory that she would have my name and picture to give some kind of PSA to other providers. She seemed extremely cautious and professional, but perhaps I'm being naive. Needless to say I'll be watching my ID and credit hits closely.

I only see gentlemen with references, that way I don't have to delve too much into their personal information and I know ahead of time if they're going to be gentlemen or guys I should probably avoid. However, for girls who are newbie friendly, you've definitely hit a nail. Usually the information is to make sure that if they turn up beaten, robbed, kidnapped, dead, ect., they at least have a general idea of who to investigate and if it's something less serious, she can put that info on a few blacklists and save other girls the trouble.

Personally, I don't take IDs as it's fairly easy to get a fake. Or so a friend of a friend told me, of course. If a guy has no references, I generally require work information and a public date before scheduling a private one.

[Whispers]

If you are interested in protecting yourself buy a membership here and scour the Locker Rooms and reviews for the information not publicly available. There are 100s of stories and reasons why you should NEVER give any of your personal information to a whore.

There are plenty of girls you can see that you can avoid any need to expose yourself and then use them as references

[RandB fan]

Just buy your references on EBay, Amazon, or even here, if you want to get past the lackluster pussy and get to the good stuff. It certainly is possible. Paying for a session is paying for her time, so coffee is a session and unless your an ass, you deserve a reference. May I suggest a bonus when their reference results in a booking as you will get the best value for your investment. I know this happens as cash is cash to a hooker.

Life is too short to have to be forced to eat a pile of shit just to get to the decent fish in the pond. So why not bypass the 2 references withing a time frame to see a new provider and get right to the good pussy instead of having to suck hind tit and fuck something you wouldn't as a wing man back in college? Just pay a small fee and skip all that scum and get right to the "B" tier pussy without all the drama of having to having to get treated for lice, STDs, and scabies before you dare go back into your own home.

Giving your Real ID to a provider along with RL info. Yeah, let me know how requiring me to let you take a photo of my id, give my real phone number, and my employer is working out for you. It's so fucking insane that some think or mayeven make it work. In my case, just let me know how that's works out especially in the midwest as even Gomer Pyle wan't that stupid.

Where do you think they will dump hookers bodies in KC when their data gets hacked, laptop gets stolen, or worse yet taken into custody and is threatened to be used as evidence in court.?


I have never, nor will I, show or tell a provider anything about myself just like the guy from the 80's you bought other types of products from, you didn't want to know shit about him nor he of you. Anyone one inquiring should and may get an answer of "I think I may have seen him in a club but I never got an introduction, no less his name." A provider is like that, they are great people to party with but if it's business it's 100% business, handle on handle only.
Yeah, and do yourself a favor and park your bosses car in front of a hooker's incall who's about to get busted and see how your career works out for you. Now days the cops just place a camera or 6 around a property and anytime something moves, it records in HD. A week later they come get their cameras and an arrest of 6 are made. One of the six will give the cops permission (reason for a warrant) to get her phone, tablet, and/ or laptop data, phone records and access to any trace of financial data they may find.
They can start calling landlords, mortgage companies, finance companies and banks or anyone else deemed valuable to get whatever they want.

Never, EVER, let a hooker see your car, obtain any RW info, even a company or school ring or watch. Disconnect yourself on-line to your real self by using an off shore VPN. my computer does not use an ISP other than whats on a burner android as it tethers to it though the VPN. Your meta data can trace a photo you post anywhere back to your phone or computer even if you just posted a link. I am in Amsterdam right now.

A car salesman doesn't give you his name when he sells you a used car, for cash, in the parking lot of the drug store at 75th and Metcalf. If a hooker wouldn't see you when you asked for her RW DL and library card(lol) why would you consider it?
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If they want my ID then let's start seeing them take blind debit cards, in house financing, customer service departments, 90 day no questions asked refund policies, and some truth in advertising laws being adhered to.

I for one would like to use someones approach from Austin and bring a set of scales to a session. I have no idea how it affects business fut he visited 20 BBW's and they were all 60-50lbs over posted weight. The product was not as described but customer service said to test drive it and if still not happy you could get a full refund to reimburse you for your research, and decision making time and the trip and time invested.

I am going to wake up from that dream and tell the newbie. Watch your ass in this hobby cause watching two asses leaves someone an opening to make your life a RW hell.

[Mike Vronsky]

You should avoid giving your ID to anyone.