IMO Jade Rose represents a serious danger to male members of this community.

[Still Looking]

Originally Posted by Bobave

Really, Ztonk? A 10-pt infraction for using a common expression to signify somebody is working too hard on an agenda?

Look at it this way.... He is helping you stay off the "Usual Suspects" list.

[Still Looking]

I certainly thought it was creepy when JadeRose contacted a provider to secure my number. She was told if SL wanted you to have his number he would have given it to you. TEAM SL girls are awesome!

[SpiceItUp]

Originally Posted by Toyz

Its rarely that easy here in Austin. While you're trying to fend off the attacks of the protected, you are also dodging the attacks (or defensive walls) of the protectors.

There have long been two sets of rules here, its not imagination & its not exaggerated. Hell, its in play in this very thread. Hence the reverse position on what is outing and what is not.

Calling it "fair" is just a bit of a stretch...If it were just me that felt that way I'd be more self questioning.

Your efforts ARE recognized & appreciated however.

Thanks.

I won't presume to speak for Sixx but I can only assume he misspoke when he used the word "outing". That word in the context of the guidelines has a very specific and narrow meaning that has been clearly defined with much precedent and behind the scenes discussion to back it up. Revealing someone else's presence at a social event does not qualify.

It's in bad taste perhaps and indiscreet even. The organizer may wish to disallow that person from future attendance if they wish. But outing it is not. No connection is made between RW info and a member handle nor could anyone who knew that person in the real world draw such a connection.

We take outing and anything to do with RW info very seriously here, it's a zero tolerance issue and carries a lengthy ban with zero exceptions if it qualifies. It's therefore important to be clear what is meant when we use that word so that it doesn't get cloudy or diluted and the expectations are clear.



As to this idea of different sets of rules:

I don't get involved in the drama, never have in many years as a member of various boards and especially as a mod. It's not my style. Impartial adjudication is the name of the game from where I'm sitting.

I can't speak to the past, I never followed the Austin forums before, but I assure you there are not two sets of rules for the site. I'd ban my best friend if he crossed the line and wouldn't blink an eye...and he'd know it going in. Clarity, transparency, and consistency to the extent possible are paramount.

We all view things through the lens of our own experience and are human of course, but that's why there are multiple mods in every area to serve as a sounding board for different perceptions/opinions and as a system of checks and balances. For the most part that system works as intended sitewide.

As I said a few posts above, the vast majority of the time what people think they are seeing as a different set of rules is simply misunderstanding the guidelines and their nuances and practical application.

[Whispers]

The only reason people perceive there to be two sets of rules is their lack of understanding of the guidelines and their attempt to read something into them that is not there.

[Precious_b]

Originally Posted by SpiceItUp

...

Here's an idea, there's an ignore feature...use it. Otherwise put your big boy/girl pants on

I already suggested that to him. And he knows that function exist.

Otherwise Spice, welcome to the Austin scene. Good to see you get a little dirty

Originally Posted by Whispers

The only reason people perceive there to be two sets of rules is their lack of understanding of the guidelines and their attempt to read something into them that is not there.

Yup. And you always claimed to be diligent to them. Some how, you got Banned anyway. But that was for different reasons. Well, maybe. You accrued a few points there. Maybe refresh us with a posting of those Infractions that got you in Time Out so as to let the other members here know that it isn't for what you are complaining about on this thread.

Otherwise, i'll rephrase what i've posted previously on this thread.

You just come off as butt hurt for not following your own advice you have given on these forums. You know to use the Ignore button and Delete button.

And telling people that they are stupid for letting a Hooger get too close as to threaten those they know that are not in the Hobby. And you bellyache about a, believe it or not, a Hooger actually being in the near vicinity of a SO that *YOU* brought to a function full of Hoogers and Johns.

If you would have practiced what you relentlessly preach, you wouldn't be another Pigeon with feces on your face instead of dropping it on others.

Ring another up for the Post Count. And View Count

[Whispers]

Originally Posted by Stewie griffen

Im new here, but i think stock trader has a good point. Why not just leave each other be, in private and public. I have no idea if she is a danger, no more that if whispers is dangerous. If she isnt your thing thats cool, thats what this place is for. To each their own. If she has broken rules of the board by way of harassment then the board should deal with it. But to drag it out in public seems distasteful in my eyes.

I know that theres probably more to the story but it just seems to come across as spiteful.
To be clear, i have no dog in this fight. As such im not taking any sides.

Not worth a lot, but theres my two cents.

Stock Trader is caught in a learning curve that you are just beginning. In time you will understand or you won't. The one thing that is definite is that the guidelines are what they are and there are not multiple interpretations of them.

Why did you join ECCIE? WHat are you here for?

The board is not designed for the social interaction of whores and johns in a manner that would be cordial in a social setting.

ECCIE exists as a medium for information to be exchanged and for people to have access to that information in order to be able to make decisions about who they interact with behind closed doors. It is used to increase the probability of positive outcomes in sessions as well as to be able to determine if people present a risk that is not manageable for their situation.

I have interacted with and experienced a lot of women in this "hobby" over the years and never before has a provider truly made me feel uncomfortable and concerned in the manner that Jade Rose has.

has made others uncomfortable as well and their posts are in this thread to be read as well..... Over time others will probably have something to say.

When you see one of these ladies you trust them to be discreet and professional. To respect boundaries.

Jade refused to do that.

IMO she is a lonely attentions starved individual not as well in touch with who she is and what she is as she pretends to be and is desperately looking for someone to connect with.

If you are single with nothing to loose and open to lady like her wanting to buddy up with you then go for it......

If you are in a relationship, hobbying on the side with something to lose she may present more risk to you than you want to accept.

More than one of us find her behavior far outside of what is "normal" here.....

It is usually that ladies that deal with some lovesick lonely socially awkward guy that believes the 10 minutes extra he got meant he was someone special and starts contacting them and showing up uninvited.

In comparison to the number of people that hobby and use this site as a resource, those of us that post here represent a fraction of those in the area.

But hundreds read the material presented and make use of it.

I have no doubt that there will be those that look at Jade Rose and some other girl with her appearance and talents and when seeing the controversy and attention she draws to herself decides to go with the other lady......

There will be a few that won't care and see her anyway......

Not everyone here feels the need to contribute in the form of sharing experiences and information.

I felt this was something everyone here needed to be aware of.....

[RandB fan]

So, just ignore the the 300lb cancerous cell and it will go away? Whatever works

Originally Posted by SpiceItUp

Thanks.

I won't presume to speak for Sixx but I can only assume he misspoke when he used the word "outing". That word in the context of the guidelines has a very specific and narrow meaning that has been clearly defined with much precedent and behind the scenes discussion to back it up. Revealing someone else's presence at a social event does not qualify.

It's in bad taste perhaps and indiscreet even. The organizer may wish to disallow that person from future attendance if they wish. But outing it is not. No connection is made between RW info and a member handle nor could anyone who knew that person in the real world draw such a connection.

We take outing and anything to do with RW info very seriously here, it's a zero tolerance issue and carries a lengthy ban with zero exceptions if it qualifies. It's therefore important to be clear what is meant when we use that word so that it doesn't get cloudy or diluted and the expectations are clear.



As to this idea of different sets of rules:

I don't get involved in the drama, never have in many years as a member of various boards and especially as a mod. It's not my style. Impartial adjudication is the name of the game from where I'm sitting.

I can't speak to the past, I never followed the Austin forums before, but I assure you there are not two sets of rules for the site. I'd ban my best friend if he crossed the line and wouldn't blink an eye...and he'd know it going in. Clarity, transparency, and consistency to the extent possible are paramount.

We all view things through the lens of our own experience and are human of course, but that's why there are multiple mods in every area to serve as a sounding board for different perceptions/opinions and as a system of checks and balances. For the most part that system works as intended sitewide.

As I said a few posts above, the vast majority of the time what people think they are seeing as a different set of rules is simply misunderstanding the guidelines and their nuances and practical application.

[Whispers]

Originally Posted by Toyz

[Go read it again...twirl it about in your head...see if you can find the meaning on your own. If not, phone a bandle.

I read it. I don't need to read it again

The only thing the MOD stated was that my post did not present a case that constituted a clear and present danger to the community and did not belong in the Alert Forum.

It's an interesting decision and interpretation. I disagree with it but understand it and will let it go for now.

He did determine that the thread and information presented deserved to have a forum and agreed the information could be useful.

The part of his decision I found most interesting lies in the interpretation of what a "clear and present danger is. We read Alerts all the time where the only complaint is that some guy wasted a hooker's time or she didn't get paid. How does that present a clear an present danger?

He has taken the position that what happened here before he was assigned to the area he will leave alone. So time will let us gain insight to his interpretations.

What was and remains important to me is that the thread has a spot to be noticed, interaction is allowed and people see and read it.

[JadeRose]

Originally Posted by Still Looking

I certainly thought it was creepy when JadeRose contacted a provider to secure my number. She was told if SL wanted you to have his number he would have given it to you. TEAM SL girls are awesome!

Yep. This has been explained NUMEROUS times. Somebody contacted me saying they were you when you first began your smear campaign about me over my signature line, SL. So I contacted the young lady to ask if she knew your # to which she replied that she didn't want to give out your info, understandable. Shortly after, it was made known that it was just another particular harassing person who was impersonating you. Shocking. As far as the provider goes, we are on good terms and she's a very sweet girl. Ask her.

This has been addressed already several times, just as my taking responsibliity for the previous PMS and hostility towards some on the board in the past (windinhishair, whispers, skip 8) has as well. I have no issue with handling each situation intellectually as this is not an emotion based thing. I have apologized where it wss necessary. Just as I have addressed and explained the other claims on me that actually had some kind of relevance. So all you have left is to repeat things over and over hoping to justify them. The thing about you three is, you seem to refuse to acknowledge that reality and just continually repeat the same things over and over about me. It's as if you're trying to make me look bad or something, no!? Surely not. I know you guys are simply only "caring" for your hobby community. I think that's clear to everyone.

I refuse to address blatant lies and fabricated details that have absolutely no bearing on reality. Such as interacting with Whispers at a party that I wasn't even paying attention to him at, he was certainly concerned with what I was doing though. Funny how there has been nobody else from the actual party who has confirmed anything the has said. There have been plenty who have contacted me all day yesterday's explaining that they understood what Whispers was doing but truly did not want to get involved with this thread for fear of becoming a target of his twisted games as well. Understandable.

There has been plenty going on behind the scenes throughout all of this as I suspected there would be, and the usual influx of some extra business inquiries as last time too, I might add (lol). How many people have jumped on your bandwagon? Your intentions of making this something it's not is not successful, and everyone sees right through it. Its so sad that so much of your energy is spent in an attempt to "get me off the site" when you can be worrying about much more profitable things. Carry on...

[Whispers]

Originally Posted by Stock Trader

You attack her for flooding coed with posts seeking attention

No. I don't.....

Originally Posted by Stock Trader

so she sent you a private message

No. There were no attacks on her that initiated the messages from her.

Originally Posted by Stock Trader

instead of flooding the board with more posts, then you get mad about it.

Mad? No. Dogs get mad.... At times people get angry... I've been neither in regards to this..... Simply concerned due to her inability to respect boundaries.

Originally Posted by Stock Trader

Terms of endearment, signs of affection and an unhealthy interest Would you have rather her sent you private message cursing you and threatening you?

It would have concerned me far less.

[QUOTE=Stock Trader;1057589377]Of course she's interested in you how many posts have you directed towards her in public!

Originally Posted by Stock Trader

You don't have to like somebody to respond to their posts, I understand that but if she's dangerous why do you instigate her?

She has the right to contact you via private message because that's within the guidelines too.

Where in the guidelines is she given the right to contact me? The guideline regarding Private Messages does not bestow rights. It defines ways the system is not allowed to be used. Unwanted messages are considered harassment.

I believe she has been properly warned of that now as she should have been back in October and should she continued she will most likely earn a ban rather quickly.

Originally Posted by Stock Trader

You don't want her to contact you via private message and she doesn't want you to continue attacking her in threads sounds like an agreement could easily be made after all she's publicly asked you to stop and you have publicly asked her to stop.

I will not stop expressing my opinions or responding to people that make statements here in a public forum simply because they ask.

Originally Posted by Stock Trader

You are at a minimum a part of the problem, you are not the victim as you portray yourself.

That is your opinion and I respect your right to post it. You are incorrect however n a number of your conclusions.

Perhaps over time you will learn.

You do sound more and more though like you are here with an agenda and not actually "new"....

[Whispers]

Originally Posted by JadeRose

This has been addressed already several times, just as my taking responsibliity for the previous PMS and hostility towards some on the board in the past (windinhishair, whispers, skip 8) has as well. I have no issue with handling each situation intellectually as this is not an emotion based thing. I have apologized where it wss necessary. Just as I have addressed and explained the other claims on me that actually had some kind of relevance. So all you have left is to repeat things over and over hoping to justify them.

You don't understand how the ongoing conversations and repetitive information works..... There is no need to "justify" anything.... Perhaps someone will explain it to you.

Originally Posted by JadeRose

The thing about you three is, you seem to refuse to acknowledge that reality and just continually repeat the same things over and over about me.

As often as you wish to state an opinion here in CoEd that other's disagree with you will find that they will voice that disagreement with the same frequency.

Originally Posted by JadeRose

It's as if you're trying to make me look bad or something, no!? Surely not.

LMAO!

You have already presented yourself in a manner and interacted with others to the point that you have truly dirtied your own reputation and image. If potential clients research you properly they and others will see for themselves just how bad you have made yourself look.

Originally Posted by JadeRose

I know you guys are simply only "caring" for your hobby community. I think that's clear to everyone.

I refuse to address blatant lies and fabricated details that have absolutely no bearing on reality. Such as interacting with Whispers at a party that I wasn't even paying attention to him at, he was certainly concerned with what I was doing though.

No. I clearly told you after several minutes ignoring you that I had no interest in interacting with you. no interest in having a drink with you, no interest in doing shots with you, no interest in taking a swig from your bottle.....

Originally Posted by JadeRose

Funny how there has been nobody else from the actual party who has confirmed OR DENIED anything the has said.

Unlike a couple of your displays that were hard not to notice by most there I doubt more than one or two others were remotely aware of that of what transpired. Had you not felt the need to send me a PM an hour after I left none of this would be posted.

The host of the party is a good friend and I would never cause a problem at a location he had invited me too.

I do not need or expect anyone that was there to confirm or deny anything.

Originally Posted by JadeRose

There have been plenty who have contacted me all day yesterday's explaining that they understood what Whispers was doing but truly did not want to get involved with this thread for fear of becoming a target of his twisted games as well. Understandable.

The biggest difference between you and all the other ladies that were there except for one and are choosing to stay uninvolved is that they run successful business and do not rely on interaction in CoEd as a source of gaining business. They probably realize there is more to lose.

Originally Posted by JadeRose

There has been plenty going on behind the scenes throughout all of this as I suspected there would be, and the usual influx of some extra business inquiries as last time too, I might add (lol).

We hear that from everyone in the beginning that gets cross ways and attracts negative attention. The last lady to repeat that cry sent a guy to meet with me and then called wanting to broker a truce claiming I had all but destroyed her business...... There was one before her that chanted the "he brings me business" for close to a year before seeking an end to what she only brought on herself.

I've heard for years that ladies get pitifucks out of guys.... Eventually though they seem to shut up.....

Originally Posted by JadeRose

How many people have jumped on your bandwagon? Your intentions of making this something it's not is not successful, and everyone sees right through it.

Ok. So move on and ignore it..... I assure you I am not one to talk to myself...... When interest in the topic wanes the thread will die a natural death.

But with 2200 views in a single day, more than any thread has generated in Austin in that short a period of time in weeks...... My guess is that there is still plenty of interest and life in the topic and that plenty of people will reach conclusions about this subject that align with the issue presented.

Originally Posted by JadeRose

Its so sad that so much of your energy is spent in an attempt to "get me off the site" when you can be worrying about much more profitable things. Carry on...

First of all let me assure you that I never let anything here get in the pay of my having a profitable day and today was actually quite good.

What makes you think I want you off the site? I could care less if you are here or not.

I simply asked that you not communicate with me outside of the forums.... I am sure you could tell that you are not remotely in the same class of looks or caliber of person as the lady that was with me and you can never be with the history you have created for yourself.

Sending me a PM of the nature you did in light of all our interactions is a sign of some total lack of self awareness and some warped sense of reality of some sorts that I could or would have some interest in you.

I can tell you are lonely and in search of friends but ask yourself who could possibly want to associate with you with your background and the information so readily available about you?

A guy could take any other woman at that party out to lunch or dinner or for drinks with little to no concern for any issue coming up. I have on several occasions myself.

Not another woman at that party walked back and forth holding their crotch announcing how horny they were and how badly they needed to get fucked.

Had even one of them done so I have no doubt they would have been face down ass up in minutes......

Could you do that and get laid?

No Jade.... You have a porn background and pictures of your cum splattered face all over the place right? You've garnered a good bit of negative publicity that any guy in your company could be looked down on for being seen with you..... Your behavior has earned you some pretty disgusting public remarks that any reasonable man would not want to deal with if her were with you.......

Are you getting it yet that it is not something as simple as you are fat and I don't date fat chicks?

With you it so much more than just your weight.

You know where you lost this one?

I kind of wondered in the beginning if you would use most acceptable way of dealing with this.

"Last night I attended a party and probably had a little bit more to drink than I should have. I don't recall quite everything I did or sending the PM that Whispers refers to but when I checked my out-box I found he was correct. I am sorry for doing so."

You already had a prior supporting post referring to your maybe having too much fun.

This probably never would have gone much farther after that.

The ones that are fanning this on and on can only work with the material provided and your staunch denials fuels their efforts.....

Each and every one of their posts and yours provides an opportunity for further discussion.

In the end......

Well.... You are running a business...... This affects you in some way..... We both have differing opinions on that....

Me? I haven't cared for many years what anyone here that has not met me thinks of me..... If I have money in my wallet I am getting laid and I have no problem finding young beautiful women to spend time with me off this site..... or on it.....

Your "troops" Toyz and Dante Vronsky?..... LOL.... You are a bigger joke to them than you realize.... You are just a tool that facilitates there obsession with trying to engage Sl or myself......

[Still Looking]

Originally Posted by JadeRose

Yep. This has been explained NUMEROUS times. Somebody contacted me saying they were you when you first began your smear campaign about me over my signature line, SL. So I contacted the young lady to ask if she knew your # to which she replied that she didn't want to give out your info, understandable. Shortly after, it was made known that it was just another particular harassing person who was impersonating you. Shocking. As far as the provider goes, we are on good terms and she's a very sweet girl. Ask her.

Some one contacted you saying they were me? Really? How? By phone? What could they possibly have wanted? Why didn't you send me a PM like every other provider would have done? No... you are a liar. I know it and so do you! You wanted my number because I refused to address your PM'S. How did that work out for you?

This has been addressed already several times, just as my taking responsibility for the previous PMS and hostility towards some on the board in the past (windinhishair, whispers, skip 8 & SL) has as well. I have no issue with handling each situation intellectually as this is not an emotion based thing. I have apologized where it was necessary. Just as I have addressed and explained the other claims on me that actually had some kind of relevance. So all you have left is to repeat things over and over hoping to justify them. The thing about you four is, you seem to refuse to acknowledge that reality and just continually repeat the same things over and over about me. It's as if you're trying to make me look bad or something, no!? Surely not. I know you guys are simply only "caring" for your hobby community. I think that's clear to everyone.

When one person calls you an "ASS" IGNORE IT. WHEN SEVERAL CALL YOU AN "ASS" START SHOPPING FOR A SADDLE!

I refuse to address blatant lies and fabricated details that have absolutely no bearing on reality. Such as interacting with Whispers at a party that I wasn't even paying attention to him at, he was certainly concerned with what I was doing though. Funny how there has been nobody else from the actual party who has confirmed anything the has said. There have been plenty who have contacted me all day yesterday's explaining that they understood what Whispers was doing but truly did not want to get involved with this thread for fear of becoming a target of his twisted games as well. Understandable.

Based on previous interaction with Whispers and the fact he was NOT alone... why would you want to interact with him in any way? Hell if I was there and you showed up... exit stage right. I find it hard to believe that Whispers who was with a date sought you out.

There has been plenty going on behind the scenes throughout all of this as I suspected there would be, and the usual influx of some extra business inquiries as last time too, I might add (lol). How many people have jumped on your bandwagon? Your intentions of making this something it's not is not successful, and everyone sees right through it. Its so sad that so much of your energy is spent in an attempt to "get me off the site" when you can be worrying about much more profitable things. Carry on...

There’s a band wagon? Hell I didn't even know there was a band? Behind the scenes? You are right... it is SAD. But obviously it’s working for you. I guess negative attention is better than none at all. Lose the DESPERATE BIG ASS SIG LINE, STOP STALKING PEOPLE, and perhaps people will take you seriously. Having people seek you out because you are a circus freak would NOT be my first choice of how to be perceived on this board. There are guys out there that like, enjoy, frequent some freaky, hideous, bat shit crazy ladies. But I just don't think it’s the norm. (Might Just Be MODS? But that's not fair because they probably aren't paying! LOL)

The Usual Suspects
Board members that bring nothing to the table except to troll and make smart ass off topic comments to get a moment in the sunshine.
Observing, GFEJunkie, JohnnyYanks, Dante0322 / Mike Vronsucky
The.Chosen.One
Rest In Peace… new handle coming soon!

[Still Looking]

Originally Posted by Whispers

No Jade.... You have a porn background and pictures of your cum splattered face all over the place right? You've garnered a good bit of negative publicity that any guy in your company could be looked down on for being seen with you..... Your behavior has earned you some pretty disgusting public remarks that any reasonable man would not want to deal with if her were with you.......

[Toyz]

Originally Posted by SpiceItUp

Thanks.

I won't presume to speak for Sixx but I can only assume he misspoke when he used the word "outing". That word in the context of the guidelines has a very specific and narrow meaning that has been clearly defined with much precedent and behind the scenes discussion to back it up. Revealing someone else's presence at a social event does not qualify.

Why do you have to "speak for him"? He was Johnny on the spot when his boy was under duress as he always is....a few Mongers called him out for an answer & hes no where to be seen.

It's in bad taste perhaps and indiscreet even. The organizer may wish to disallow that person from future attendance if they wish. But outing it is not. No connection is made between RW info and a member handle nor could anyone who knew that person in the real world draw such a connection.

I actually understand that...our primary concern was why he jumped in the middle to stop that conversation and subsequently ignores request to return and provide clarification. Please don't defend with the "hes busy"...hes as close as a WhixxZy text to jumping back on the board at a moments notice. I said something on the national board a while back...and he almost immediately repsonded...his first post in THIRTY DAYS.

We take outing and anything to do with RW info very seriously here, it's a zero tolerance issue and carries a lengthy ban with zero exceptions if it qualifies. It's therefore important to be clear what is meant when we use that word so that it doesn't get cloudy or diluted and the expectations are clear.

Yup, even more strange why a MOD would jump to a conclusion because ""its therefore important to be clear what is meant when we use that word"...



As to this idea of different sets of rules:

I don't get involved in the drama, never have in many years as a member of various boards and especially as a mod. It's not my style. Impartial adjudication is the name of the game from where I'm sitting.

I can't speak to the past, I never followed the Austin forums before, but I assure you there are not two sets of rules for the site. I'd ban my best friend if he crossed the line and wouldn't blink an eye...and he'd know it going in. Clarity, transparency, and consistency to the extent possible are paramount.

So you were just arbitrarily picked to come to Austin which already had three moderators on staff? From out of another area? Yah, hard to buy that one...someone knows the history here & knew we needed a non-biased voice of reason that would moderate on rules rather than emotion & loyalty.

We all view things through the lens of our own experience and are human of course, but that's why there are multiple mods in every area to serve as a sounding board for different perceptions/opinions and as a system of checks and balances. For the most part that system works as intended sitewide.

When the answer you get is "no one cares" then NO it isn't working, in fact, its fucked beyond measure.

As I said a few posts above, the vast majority of the time what people think they are seeing as a different set of rules is simply misunderstanding the guidelines and their nuances and practical application.

Its the outliers to your "vast majority" that's the problem...

[Toyz]

Originally Posted by Whispers

I read it. I don't need to read it again

The only thing the MOD stated was that my post did not present a case that constituted a clear and present danger to the community and did not belong in the Alert Forum.
.

BINGO!

You win the internet today!

EXACTLY.

It was NOT an alert-CERTAINLY did not belong in the Alerts section, therefore it was false...

It was moved here as a drama conversation piece...IMO its more of a Sandbox piece filled with innuendo, attacks, wild presumptions, and outright fabrications penned in an attempt to shut down someone who has not caved in to your stalking & consistent rude attacks...(rules violations all-but of course ignored per board policy).

Good for you! You got it..well enough of it at least.

And you never returned my Merry Christmas wish to you and your Whore(s). That hurts my feelings.