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Old 06-16-2015, 04:28 PM   #16
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Be cautious, but not paranoid, about WiFi snoops.

The professional hackers are in it for money, and are looking for credit card numbers, passwords to financial sites, and that sort of thing. They don’t give a damn about anything they can’t use to get money immediately, and are likely just to be collecting data to mine with filters that identify potentially profitable data rather than reading everything they collect.

On that matter, most financial and e-commerce sites use secure connections (https://) for any login or financial transaction – which encrypts data from the device to the server - so even if someone snoops your wifi session, what they get is encrypted. I don’t hesitate to bank or purchase over wifi with a secure connection.

On the other hand, there are the amateurs who are in it for other reasons – mischief mostly – and I expect a teenage prankster might be very interested if he was able to harvest a username/password to an adult-oriented site. He’d get in, snoop around, screw with your account, play “jokes” that could harm your reputation, and maybe even see if he could blackmail you if there’s any personal information in your profile – all for kicks.

In an airport, that’s not likely to happen – only ticketed passengers past security, so unless there’s some shifty-looking kid around acting strangely and trying to hide his screen, chances are there’s nobody there that would worry you. Hotels, Starbucks, and other public locations, particularly if they are crowded, are more of a concern – but even so, the chances seem pretty slim. Not impossible, but not likely.

It would be great if eccie would enable secure connections – the cost of a certificate and switching on secure https protocols are pretty low, and I think we’d all feel a little more at ease – maybe one of the admins could mention it to the sysop as a nice-to-have?
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Old 06-16-2015, 04:32 PM   #17
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^^^ very interesting. But since we deal with client info, being on my 4G/LTE should be safer than public wifi?
Absolutely. Those data networks have far more secure connections. It's not impossible to intercept/spoof, but it takes a lot more sophisticated hardware and skills - well beyond the means of the amateur hacker - and anyone who could do so would be in a great deal more trouble with the feds.
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Old 06-16-2015, 04:39 PM   #18
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Thank you, gents. Very interesting chat.
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Old 06-17-2015, 12:36 AM   #19
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I repeat Tor browser is your friend -

https://www.torproject.org/projects/torbrowser.html.en
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Old 06-17-2015, 03:51 AM   #20
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I repeat Tor browser is your friend -

https://www.torproject.org/projects/torbrowser.html.en

They need to come up with a mobile version of it. I own a laptop, but I do most of my work through either phone or tablet.
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Old 06-17-2015, 11:53 AM   #21
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And if you leave your "Find WiFi" feature enabled, your unique device ID will be located and logged on every WiFi router that you come within range of, EVEN IF YOU DON'T CONNECT, making it very easy for someone to track your movements in real time.

Disable your WiFi unless your are using it! I personally do not connect to any "open" or unsecure WiFi connections anywhere, and disable all "Location" services unless I am using my phone as a GPS -
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Old 06-19-2015, 02:20 PM   #22
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For Android ... https://www.torproject.org/docs/android.html.en

Iphone ... https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/onio...519296448?mt=8
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I wouldn't use any device that I've ever online shopped or banked with.
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Old 06-19-2015, 07:15 PM   #24
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Absolutely. Those data networks have far more secure connections. It's not impossible to intercept/spoof, but it takes a lot more sophisticated hardware and skills - well beyond the means of the amateur hacker - and anyone who could do so would be in a great deal more trouble with the feds.
Small correction: the ones doing that level of snooping likely *are* the feds.
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Old 06-19-2015, 07:18 PM   #25
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Tor isn't fail safe either, it was rumored to be infiltrated by the FBI in the recent conviction of the founder of the SilkRoad...

But to be honest, I don't think the FBI or the NSA is going to spend the manpower to triangulate your usage data to out you or your clients...

http://www.wired.com/2015/02/silk-ro...richt-verdict/
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Old 06-19-2015, 08:32 PM   #26
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I for one don't use public wifi ever, when I travel I use a lot of my data that may cost me an extra $10/20 a given month. On youtube, you can find plenty of videos on the dangers of public wifi & hackers who set up their own wifi to trick a consumer that it is an official wifi. Basically, they can dig through everything on your device. Some videos are dated a year or more, so ofcourse their technology has also improved. Just not worth the risk.

Just recently saw the documentary "Client 9" on the rise & fall of gov. Eliot Spitzer. If you know the story, basically when he was NY attorney general he went after wall street big boys & pissed them off, costed them alot of $$$. They got back at him for finding a weakness, High end call girls, $1000/$2000 hr. The agency who handled the girls were crushed, wiretaps, emails, sms by fbi. Solely to get this one specific client. So caution, if you are or have a "Client 9."
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Old 06-20-2015, 12:28 PM   #27
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Tor isn't fail safe either, it was rumored to be infiltrated by the FBI in the recent conviction of the founder of the SilkRoad...

But to be honest, I don't think the FBI or the NSA is going to spend the manpower to triangulate your usage data to out you or your clients...

http://www.wired.com/2015/02/silk-ro...richt-verdict/
Nothing is foolproof, especially if you misconfigure your implementation and leave a trail for the FBI to follow. ijs
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Old 06-20-2015, 12:41 PM   #28
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(...) So caution, if you are or have a "Client 9."
Excellent point, RG. The truth is, I look at all my clients as people who have, potentially, too much to lose. To the gent who gets outted to his family, or to a job, it doesn't matter whether he is a public figure or not, his life will NEVER be the same. I am not the one to judge the whys behind anyone's actions, I just consider myself to be responsible for his information once shared with me. No matter how small.


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