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Old 12-09-2014, 02:02 PM   #76
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So you don't remember Herman Cain but you remember what happened 50 years ago....kinda...something about Barry Goldwater and states rights. Do you want to go back 150 years to the Emancipation Proclamation or have the Democrats rendered that too inconvenient?

Priceless.

How do we make the programs better? I'm not a member of the TEA party (whatever it is) but one of the problems I see that Herman Cain's mom didn't perpetuate was having 7 kids with 5 different fathers. The working public is tired of supporting that shit.
I remembered those lessons from college and independent study, but I don't think I follow your point or maybe I wasn't clear. Blacks voted overwhelmingly republican, from the time of the Emancipation Proclamation through 1964, while the south was all democratic during the same period of time. From 1964 to now the opposite has occurred.
Herman Cain wasn't really doing that well. The 9-9-9 plan was starting to unravel and he had no real agenda.

The working public is ignorant when it comes to what they are really supporting. Welfare programs to the poor are but a scant portion of the national debt. Wars with no real return on investment are far more costly.
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Old 12-09-2014, 02:32 PM   #77
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How long was Carson and family on welfare/food stamps?

This from his own book...By the time I reached ninth grade...is not definitive but I think you'd agree , it leads one to believe that it was longer than two years. Is local Charity the answer after two years? If so, why not from jump street?


Carson, in his book, tells how his grades improved tremendously when a government program provided him with free eyeglasses because he could barely see. Not only that, in “Gifted Hands” we read this nugget: “By the time I reached ninth grade, mother had made such strides that she received nothing but food stamps. She couldn’t have provided for us and kept up the house without that subsidy.”
Read more at http://wonkette.com/550031/ben-carso...lyKJa1uDugz.99



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That reads to me like he is supportive of welfare and is giving credit for his success to a point because that was available.
The OP describes him as being totally against welfare but states it as his opinion of what he's heard from Carson.

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Ben Carson on record stating we need smaller govt and people shouldn't rely on govt for assistance but let's look at the facts.

The hypocrisy is blinding.

More about Dr. Ben Carson:
1. Raised by a single mother
2. Raised in public housing
3. Fed with food stamps.
4. Supported with welfare
5. Kept healthy with medicaid
6. Educated in public schools
7. Got eyeglasses from state agency
8. Benefited from affirmative action to enter college
9. Used federal loans and Pell grants in undergrad school
10. Benefited from affirmative action to enter medical school
11. Med school paid for with grant from USPHS*
12. Said: “The disintegration of the family unit and the welfare state are enslaving African-Americans and ruining their futures.”

Typical Tea Partier; he got his... the rest of us are on our own
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I am Pro-life and I told you I am a registered Independent- but the way Dr.Carson has talked the past years you would believe he has achieved all of his success with little to no govt assistance. I wonder how ironic it will be for a man like Dr.Carson to talk about cutting Food Stamps when in reality it was Food stamps that allowed him to eat 3 meals a day.
At least you provided links to show he credits welfare for his success.
Where are the links that say he would cut out all welfare and leave people on their own?

Here are quotes from On the issues... http://www.ontheissues.org/Ben_Carso...iples_+_Values


Charities better at providing for needy than the government

He railed against the government's lack of forethought to deal with the national debt. "We're not planning for the future," Carson said. "If we continue to spend ourselves into oblivion, we are going to destroy this nation." He also said the government is treating corporations "as enemies" and that corporate taxes should be lowered to encourage growth. "Corporations are not in business to be social-welfare organizations; they are there to make money," Carson said.Charities, he added, are better at providing for the needy than the government. "Nobody is starving on the streets. We've always taken care of them," Carson said. "We take care of our own; we always have. It is not the government's responsibility."
Source: 2013 Conservative Political Action Conf. in Baltimore Sun , Mar 17, 2013
Those who don't want to work? They are on their own

The issue of how to handle able-bodied individuals who simply do not want to work has three practical solutions:
  1. Tell those who don't work that they are on their own.
  2. Take from those who have something and redistribute it to the individuals who aren't working.
  3. Borrow from a 3rd party in order to take care of the nonworking individuals and leave the debt to future generations.
Logically, with solution 1, the individual who isn't working clearly either starves or finds a job. What about solution 2? In this case, those who are forcibly constrained to support the individuals who aren't working eventually lose interest in working themselves, since the fruits of their labors are being confiscated. This, in turn, leads to even more individuals who aren't working. What about solution 3? These investors are unlikely to extend credit indefinitely. Thus solution 1 is the only one that stands the test of logic and is the one upon which we should concentrate. Source: America the Beautiful, by Ben Carson, p. 88-89 , Jan 24, 2012
Government entitlements compete with private-sector charity

It is very difficult to travel to any community in our nation and not find charitable organizations specifically created to aid the indigent citizens of that community.Our government used to fully understand the role of private-sector charitable organizations in ameliorating the plight of the poor. This is why the government offered tax deductions and exemptions for churches and other charitable organizations. Today the government actually competes with many of these private-sector charities while still offering them tax deductions. How does this wasteful duplication benefit government or us, its citizens? Certainly by creating huge government entitlement programs, the size and power of the government increases dramatically. Before long, people generally depend on government for everything from health care and education, to a comfortable retirement, instead of looking to government for the basic protection of life and property, as well as providing public roads and public safety.
Source: America the Beautiful, by Ben Carson, p. 91 , Jan 24, 2012
Eradicate poverty by providing education and requiring work

The Bible makes it clear that we have a responsibility to be kind to the poor among us. [But] America did not become a great nation by encouraging people to feel sorry for themselves and seek handouts from othersIf we really want to eradicate poverty, we should allocate significant resources and personnel toward providing education and opportunity for the poor. And if we are to provide assistance to our able-bodied citizens, it should be attached to a requirement for work or acquisition of education and/or skills.
If they have to work anyway, many people will put real effort into finding the kind of job they want as opposed to collecting unemployment benefits and being assigned to work they consider undesirable. Some conservatives would say that we should leave such people on their own to sink or swim because we cannot afford to keep supporting them, while some liberals would say that these people already have enough problems and that it would be unfair to require anything of them. I reject both
Source: America the Beautiful, by Ben Carson, p.176 , Jan 24, 2012

Which of those quotes do you disagree with?
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Old 12-09-2014, 03:21 PM   #78
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WPF, you ignorant, lying manslut. Where does Carson say he deserved it, and others didn't? You change the rules after the fact, then prance around like a Houston faggot claiming victory, and you STILL don't have a clue what you're talking about.
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Old 12-09-2014, 07:06 PM   #79
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I was asked by COG when did Dr. Carson make an excuse for taking government handouts.

“I think there was a time when people were not proud of taking handouts,” he said. “There were more people who did have that drive and determination. You do what you have to do."

The above quote sure looked like an excuse to me.
CuteOldFool Ben Carson implies that people back in his day had more drive and determination. ..thus one can extrapolate that were more deserving of handouts. If your blind ass can not see that then you need some glasses to go with your lobotomy.
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Old 12-09-2014, 11:34 PM   #80
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That's not what you were bragging about before, you lying bucket of shitchum. Keep changing things, but you will never sound intelligent, because you aren't. Didn't you win a poll somewhere once? What was that again?
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Didn't you win a poll somewhere once? What was that again?
CaptainMidnight won the poll for who exposed your fraudulent claim about teaching economics. Now quit inquiring about my poll you dick muncher.


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Old 12-10-2014, 10:41 AM   #82
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Nailed it, didn't I, eh, WPF? Sorry if I hurt your feelings, but you are stupid.
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Old 12-10-2014, 12:56 PM   #83
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Read my signature line you faux economics teacher. I have no feelings on a hooker board.


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Old 12-10-2014, 01:02 PM   #84
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That's all you got? Lol! WPF, that poll you won was spot on!
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That's all you got? Lol! WPF, that poll you won was spot on!
The only poll you've ever won is lustlad's tiny lil poll and it's still stuck up your dumbass.


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Old 12-11-2014, 12:48 AM   #86
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C'mon, WPF! You've been proven to be a liar and a fraud. Just accept your limitations. You might be happy in spite of your insecurity and lack of ability.
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The only poll you've ever won is lustlad's tiny lil poll and it's still stuck up your dumbass.

That might be funny if you knew how to spell, fagboy... So COG, what poll did WTFuglyass win? He seems to get quite uncomfortable whenever you mention it.
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That might be funny if you knew how to spell, fagboy... So COG, what poll did WTFuglyass win? He seems to get quite uncomfortable whenever you mention it.
I'm not uncomfortable... doesn't bother me in the least watching you two lick each other's bung hole. I'm amused actually.


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WPF knows the poll! It was more accurate than the DOTY poll. I'm surprised WPF doesn't shout it from the rooftops. It's not like he's ever accomplished anything of note.

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More pearls of wisdom. You ignorant fucks need to read the threads you pollute. Devolution.
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