Another Reason Why The Only Good Conservative Is A Dead Conservative

[DiamondJohn]

As long as the US CONTINUES to be a fascist oligarchy we will never see freedom. Our country is controlled by one party. Both the left and right continue to feed the same beast. Personally in a fiscal conservative libertarian. Let me and my fellow brothers do what we want unless it is causing harm against others. Don't spend my money like a drunken sailor. Oh wait a drunken sailor will eventually have to stop spending when he runs out of $$$. I'm all for donating and helping those who can't help them selfs. I just feel that too much is guided by our media to distract us from what is really going on and keep controlling us.

Our system is designed by a group of elitists with much more control than our government. Good luck believing in change and blaming other politicians. It's the bigger picture that matters. We need more than just a revolution, we need a paradigm shift. Not happening anytime soon.

[moneytalksny]

^^^ I actually have to digest this a little more but I must say at the very least your statements seem balanced and palatable.

MTny

[drluv1]

Originally Posted by The Drummer

I don’t know nothin’ about nothin’. That’s a given. But I will say that I can identify the difference between government and private enterprise:

With regard to “no bid contracts, guaranteed profits, and insulation from cost overruns” a private company’s employees are held accountable. Why? To satisfy shareholders, operate in the black and, basically, to remain solvent. Bottom line; you fuck up, you go broke.

In contrast the government begins to lose money – no problem – just pass it on to the taxpayer.

At the end of the day; government sucks at providing any services – always have and always will.

Many people strongly believe diverse governmental interests, for example, public education should be privatized. And that's just the tip of the tinderbox.

Oh, and in addition to: “no bid contracts, guaranteed profits, and insulation from cost overruns” don’t forget “duplication of efforts/services”!

if private sector employees were held accountable, there would be no cost overruns, in regard to government contracts. The whole point is that we contract for defense services in a non free market way. I would call it socialism. I really don't think the gov, "sucks" at providing services.But if you believe that, then wouldn't the defense dept be included in that and given it's large budget be the best way to to look for wast and better ways to provide for defense. Please explain the statement, " The government begins to lose money, no problem, just pass it on to the tax payer".

I think you WAY overstate the notion that people in business are held accountable. Why don't we have a revolving door of CEO's at the major car companies every 3 months after another recall? It took months for the target CEO to resign, not get fired. To quote an analyst who thought the change should have happened earlier," I think it reflects the slow moving nature of that is inherent in target's culture". I still haven't heard of any heads rolling at Ebay after their recent security breach. Having spent 25 yrs in the business world, I'm inclined to believe the Hunter S. Thompson quote, " The truth is rarely told during the 9 to5 business hours".

[Doove]

Originally Posted by The Drummer

Doove; you obviously follow politics and current events, and are much more knowledgeable than I.

I want your opinion on my train of thought concerning my original post comparing government/private sector. Agree? Disagree? Agree to an extent?

While i won't concede your claim in the first sentence above, i will at least say that i do agree with your prior comment in this thread, to an extent. But then, i think we're all smart enough to where there's at least a shred of truth in pretty much everything we choose to believe. So with that, i'll also agree with drluv in that i think you overstate the gap.

Call it a price increase and we all accept it as a normal part of living in a capitalistic society. But call it a tax increase, and sit back and watch the outrage. But the reality is, they're literally one and the same. And i would suggest that they both occur with the same regularity. So the idea that government can just raise taxes while businesses can't (raise prices) isn't something i'm inclined to buy into.

[offshoredrilling]

Originally Posted by Doove

Call it a price increase and we all accept it as a normal part of living in a capitalistic society. But call it a tax increase, and sit back and watch the outrage. But the reality is, they're literally one and the same. And i would suggest that they both occur with the same regularity. So the idea that government can just raise taxes while businesses can't (raise prices) isn't something i'm inclined to buy into.

Off topic, but reminds me that businesses do not pay taxes in a way. They have in mind what they want in a profit margin. So is not their tax paid by passing that on who ever buys from them.

[cowboy8055]

Originally Posted by Doove

Yeah, that's why blacks love ya so much. And Latinos. And Muslims.

All because you ain't racist.

Another brilliant answer. There is one positive. The Rep party will never achieve the level of evil and hostility towards blacks that the Dems managed to carry out for a long time. At least you can take comfort in that.

[JONBALLS]

Originally Posted by Doove

Call it a price increase and we all accept it as a normal part of living in a capitalistic society. But call it a tax increase, and sit back and watch the outrage. But the reality is, they're literally one and the same. And i would suggest that they both occur with the same regularity. So the idea that government can just raise taxes while businesses can't (raise prices) isn't something i'm inclined to buy into.

your a moron

its nothing to do with the RAISE part

but nice try at semantics

its what the fuck we are getting in VALUE for our dollar

we live in the highest taxed part of the country and its an absolute SHIT HOLE

and your bright idea is to keep handing over more

when you cant drive down our roads without smashing a fucking tie rod off your vehicle in the massive fucking pot holes

rochester is now the THIRD poorest city behind detroit and chicago

so thats somethinng to be proud of in the worst business friendly state

and having the counties with the HIGHEST school taxs in the NATION , now go and find the graduation rates and the money spent PER PUPIL for each school district

then come back here and project your bull shit



and their NOT one in the same

taxes are IMPOSED

if commodities raise you can at least decide to buy or NOT

[cowboy8055]

Originally Posted by moneytalksny

Note: I don't think all republicans are racist or stereotypical. I just believe that dems are more embracing of all people regardless of race, religion, gender preference, etc..

Their embracing of others isn't without limits. They'll embrace you as long as you're on board with liberal orthodoxy. The left has little use for conservative women and minorities. They can be quite hostile towards them. So their acceptance of others is not unconditional.

[Plastic Man]

Originally Posted by JONBALLS

your a moron

its nothing to do with the RAISE part

but nice try at semantics

its what the fuck we are getting in VALUE for our dollar

we live in the highest taxed part of the country and its an absolute SHIT HOLE

and your bright idea is to keep handing over more

when you cant drive down our roads without smashing a fucking tie rod off your vehicle in the massive fucking pot holes

rochester is now the THIRD poorest city behind detroit and chicago

so thats somethinng to be proud of in the worst business friendly state

and having the counties with the HIGHEST school taxs in the NATION , now go and find the graduation rates and the money spent PER PUPIL for each school district

then come back here and project your bull shit



and their NOT one in the same

taxes are IMPOSED

if commodities raise you can at least decide to buy or NOT

jimmie doove ...just got handed his asshole on a plate ...ol plastic man hopes ...the asshole was washed ...according to expert hook instructions

[Doove]

Originally Posted by cowboy8055

Another brilliant answer.

Well, when compared to your responses, yeah. But you're absolutely right in suggesting that doesn't take much.

There is one positive. The Rep party will never achieve the level of evil and hostility towards blacks that the Dems managed to carry out for a long time. At least you can take comfort in that.

So your defense is that 200 years ago i'd have been a Republican and you'd have been a Democrat. Hope it works for ya.

Originally Posted by JONBALLS

your a moron

LOL. That being funny just never gets old.

taxes are IMPOSED

if commodities raise you can at least decide to buy or NOT

My point (if not the point of the entire conversation) seems to have escaped you (color me not surprised). But to address your point anyways, i'll say this. So?

The services that the government provides are services that we, as a people, have for better or worse determined to be necessities for the betterment of society. The military, road construction and maintenance, elementary schools, aid to the poor etc etc etc. Heck, even public funding for the Buffalo Bills is dependent on the determination of whether or not they sufficiently add to the public benefit. And in their totality, these services don't suddenly become non-essential simply because their cost goes up. Granted, there may come a point where some services are determined to not be worth the cost, as is the case with the Bills. But where that point falls isn't determined by you or me, it's determined by the electoral process.

So as it's used, your comparison is apples to oranges.

Nevertheless, if you still wanna insist on making the payments towards government programs optional, then fine. You pay for the military and i'll pay for the safety net. I'll win.

Originally Posted by cowboy8055

Their embracing of others isn't without limits. They'll embrace you as long as you're on board with liberal orthodoxy. The left has little use for conservative women and minorities. They can be quite hostile towards them. So their acceptance of others is not unconditional.

Oh brother. The whole point is that liberals judge people based on their ideas and actions. Don't expect any apologies for that, because none are forthcoming nor necessary. What we don't do is we don't judge people based on the color of their skin. Or their sexual orientation. Or what country they happened to be born in. Or whether or not they have a penis between their legs.

But nice try.

[Doove]

Originally Posted by Doove

While i won't concede your claim in the first sentence above, i will at least say that i do agree with your prior comment in this thread, to an extent.

Just to add a quick point Drummer, i'll say that my agreement to your comment is to the extent that government tends to act more like a monopoly than it does a competitive business. But when you compare it to how other monopolies are likely to act, given the electoral process and battles over tax dollars, i don't think that government is any less efficient than you would expect your typical monopoly to be.

[Guest070916]

Originally Posted by JONBALLS

your a moron

its nothing to do with the RAISE part

but nice try at semantics

its what the fuck we are getting in VALUE for our dollar

we live in the highest taxed part of the country and its an absolute SHIT HOLE

and your bright idea is to keep handing over more

when you cant drive down our roads without smashing a fucking tie rod off your vehicle in the massive fucking pot holes

rochester is now the THIRD poorest city behind detroit and chicago

so thats somethinng to be proud of in the worst business friendly state

and having the counties with the HIGHEST school taxs in the NATION , now go and find the graduation rates and the money spent PER PUPIL for each school district

then come back here and project your bull shit



and their NOT one in the same

taxes are IMPOSED

if commodities raise you can at least decide to buy or NOT

Thanks JB for demonstrating to all here exactly what Pres Bush I, said when he critiqued what was wrong with Republicans, namely they are a bunch of simpletons suffering from severe myopia and totally lacking in vison!

All you posted above ARE the results of Republican Globalism! A corporate brain fart hatched during the Reagan Revulsion which basically put Corporate profits First and American workers Last! This was a major policy shift because prior to the Reagan Revulsion, DEMS and REPS had always worked together to better the lot of American workers making the USA the envy of the world. DEMS and REPS believed our workers were vital to a thriving USA Economy. Conservatives, who basically always were whores for Big Business and powerful Corporate Interests, managed to hijack and take over the GOP and declared war on American workers. Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan saw this all back then and summed it up best by saying the new motto of the Conservative controlled GOP has become, GREED IS GOOD! Liberals correctly predicted all the above would happen taking 30-40 years to occur!

We are now reaping the bitter harvest of Republican Globalism, as the USA sinks into bankruptcy. Tens of millions of good paying American jobs were offshored over the years. Workers that used to work and pay taxes now collect unemployment or are underemployed. Greedy Corporations who moved offshore no longer pay taxes like they used to when America worked, thus further contributing to the fiscal mess we are in today! Greedy Pinko Corporations that once made the US great now moved offshore to make Communist China so robust that in a couple years the Commie economy will surpass the USA! Oh and lets not forget who opened up Red China ....good old Tricky Dick another nefarious criminal Republican....

It's really that simple. Only a myopic fool totally lacking in vision could miss this historical big picture....

[JONBALLS]

Originally Posted by Doove

LOL. That being funny just never gets old
i agree , you proove your moronic just about every third post

im being generous,,


.

My point (if not the point of the entire conversation) seems to have escaped you (color me not surprised).

that , in your mind ?

or the real truth ?lol, i dont read half or more whats here or id fall asleep alot faster than normal

its much easier to cut through your buhlshit and get right to the real stuff..you know, actual RESULTS?








You pay for the military and i'll pay for the safety net. I'll win.


.

win at what? having the WORST and MOST expensive , and WORST standard of living in the WHOLE USA ?

agin , in case YOU missed it..............3rd only only better than Detroit and Chicago ,

something to hang your hat on , your brilliant

Epic fail, yup thats what happens when demon cats are running the show for too many years

again , look up the real statistics and RESULTS

and it is simple as that no matter what all spin ..

[JONBALLS]

Originally Posted by Celso

Thanks JB for demonstrating to all here exactly what Pres Bush I, said when he critiqued what was wrong with Republicans, namely they are a bunch of simpletons suffering from severe myopia and totally lacking in vison!

All you posted above ARE the results of Republican Globalism! A corporate brain fart hatched during the Reagan Revulsion which basically put Corporate profits First and American workers Last! This was a major policy shift because prior to the Reagan Revulsion, DEMS and REPS had always worked together to better the lot of American workers making the USA the envy of the world. DEMS and REPS believed our workers were vital to a thriving USA Economy. Conservatives, who basically always were whores for Big Business and powerful Corporate Interests, managed to hijack and take over the GOP and declared war on American workers. Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan saw this all back then and summed it up best by saying the new motto of the Conservative controlled GOP has become, GREED IS GOOD! Liberals correctly predicted all the above would happen taking 30-40 years to occur!

We are now reaping the bitter harvest of Republican Globalism, as the USA sinks into bankruptcy. Tens of millions of good paying American jobs were offshored over the years. Workers that used to work and pay taxes now collect unemployment or are underemployed. Greedy Corporations who moved offshore no longer pay taxes like they used to when America worked, thus further contributing to the fiscal mess we are in today! Greedy Pinko Corporations that once made the US great now moved offshore to make Communist China so robust that in a couple years the Commie economy will surpass the USA! Oh and lets not forget who opened up Red China ....good old Tricky Dick another nefarious criminal Republican....

It's really that simple. Only a myopic fool totally lacking in vision could miss this historical big picture....

im sure i did what hookers do with you during an appointment

tune you out, turn my head and wait till its over....

[Guest070916]

Originally Posted by JONBALLS

im sure i did what hookers do with you during an appointment

tune you out, turn my head and wait till its over....

That's all ya got JB???

Funny thing is that never happens to me but you seem to be speaking with plenty of past practice experience under your belt regarding this....

Lately you come across about as exciting as Dick Cheney without the pizazz .....