$160 - $200 Half Hour Rate Trend??

[tattooed_asian_kim]

Originally Posted by Toyz

Its getting outrageous, and its why I have become very selective with who I see. And yes some of it IS principle. I would rather make the drive to Dallas...pay 160 for an intense half hour at a Asian AMP & be treated like a king, than drop 200 on a half assed effort in Austin because a girl "thinks" she is worth that.

TOYZ ... I think this is one of the biggest misconceptions about women + providers out there. People think "high rates" mean a girl is arrogant. ( + If she is CHEAP, she is NICE. ) I am not going to name names, but I have known girls, who charged $ 300 per hour AND UP + ... I have seen all kinds of LOW SELF ESTEEM related problems in within this group of people. I have seen HIGH END providers with abusive partners + body dysmorphia and eating disorders. I actually think there is a wider occurring problem, where providers with low self esteem UNDERESTIMATE their potential performance + subsist in poverty !!! ESPECIALLY WITH YOUNGER WOMEN, LOW SELF ESTEEM IS HUGE ISSUE FOR YOUNG WOMEN !!! Women's self esteem is the toilet from middle school to mid 20's. ( There is a lot of recent research to back that last sentence up. ) THE REALITY IS THAT PROVIDER PAY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SELF ESTEEM. SELF ESTEEM CAN BE A FACTOR, BUT GIRLS WITH HIGHER RATES ARE JUST BETTER BUSINESS PEOPLE + THAT'S IT.

[tattooed_asian_kim]

JUST TO CLARIFY MY EMOTIONAL STATE, WHILE I AM SPARRING WITH YOU GUYS ... I AM NOT TRYING TO SHUT ANYONE DOWN !!! I AM VERY SPIRITED WHEN I AM ENGAGED IN DEBATE !!! I AM A CEREBRAL CREATURE !!! I USUALLY AM NOT OPINIONATED DURING MY ACTUAL APPOINTMENTS + I CHOOSE MY BATTLES CAREFULLY ON THE MESSAGE BOARD. EVERY NOW + THEN, I WILL WAVE MY FLAG ON THE MESSAGE BOARD, BUT I KEEP MY DEBATE CONTAINED HERE + THAT'S IT...

[expresso]

Originally Posted by tattooed_asian_kim

TOYZ ... I HAVE PROFESSIONAL PHOTOS + I TOUR THE USA + THERE ARE TIMES WHEN I JUST GET FREE MONEY, LIKE A LOW LEVEL CELEBRITY. THE "ENTERTAINMENT ECONOMIC MODEL" IS FITTING. I DON'T IDENTIFY AS A "CELEBRITY." I WOULD BE EMBARRASSED TO CALL MYSELF THAT. HOWEVER, MY INCOME IS INFLATED BY FAME + I GET FREEBIES AND HAND OUTS THE WAY A FAMOUS PERSON DOES. THERE IS NO TEMP THAT GETS PAID THAT WAY. THERE ARE CLIENTS OUT THERE WITH A "STAR STRUCK" ATTITUDE TOWARDS CERTAIN PROVIDERS + THE MORE FAMOUS A PROVIDER IS * ; THE MORE MONEY SHE WILL MAKE. THERE IS ALSO CROSS OVER WITH THE REAL ENTERTAINMENT BUSINESS IN LOS ANGELES WITH PORN STAR PROVIDERS. WHAT TEMP JOB IS LIKE THIS ? THERE ARE NONE.

* PROVIDER FAME IS VERY "BIG FISH IN THE SMALL POND," BUT THIS BUSINESS IS PART OF "THE ENTERTAINMENT ECONOMY". IT IS NOT "MANUAL LABOR" WITH HANDJOBS.

WHEN I LIVED IN NEW YORK CITY, A LOT OF THE FINANCES GUYS USED TO DESCRIBE THE HOBBY THIS WAY + THESE ARE GUYS WHO WENT TO HARVARD FOR FINANCE ... I TRUST THEIR KNOWLEDGE.

Yes and extremely intelligent finance majors with all of their knowledge led to one of the largest collapses of our economy.....

Anyway. If you're famous in anything you obtain free stuff, I look at is as you are more like consultants than anything. Plus there is no separate entertainment economy, by putting it in quotes you pretty much state as much.

You also state research backing up that woman have poor self esteem until their mid 20's? What is the neurophysiology backing of that?
Because you do realize psychology is a soft science and without in depth study of actual chemical processes it is deduction by inference which does not lead to new information and is solely based on heuristics. There is no mathematical analysis in psychology.
Also your stated age is 26 in your profile is this statement from personal past and a present experience?

Not attacking you just pointing out the flaws in your argument.

On topic, I think the problem with ever increasing half hour rates is meeting up with a chicka and getting the time to schedule can be a chore.
Also seeing the provider is also a huge unknown factor, pictures while useful can be airbrushed a significant amount.
The chemistry and performance is unknown.
So sometimes getting the timing and everything else together then being disappointed in the end while paying that extra cash can lead to just not doing it again.

You say get an extra $30 bucks together, but the problem is a lot of times you're not really receiving anything extra that is worth the money.

Also if someone is talking more than 5 minutes in a session, that's crazy!(Unless of course it's in between rounds)
Like another poster said that's what girlfriends are for!

[Toyz]

TAK, I am actually enjoying your take on being a Hoogar. Its fun for me to debate with you, poke a bit of fun, see what makes you spin...hopefully you are ok with me changing the font color from that hideous orange to an easier to read one. Also, if you are using a laptop on the left side of the 88 keyboard there is a key...third from the bottom...called 'CAPS LOCK" Please press it when you respond...thanks in advance.

TOYZ ... I think this is one of the biggest misconceptions about women + providers out there. People think "high rates" mean a girl is arrogant. ( + If she is CHEAP, she is NICE. )

Honestly you would be surprised to learn that this DOES have some truth to it. And also some falseness. As a provider, how can you state what another provider does in session? Do you review yourself? Of course not. Please leave the reviewing of the product to the actual consumers of said product.

I am not going to name names, but I have known girls, who charged $ 300 per hour AND UP + ... I have seen all kinds of LOW SELF ESTEEM related problems in within this group of people. I have seen HIGH END providers with abusive partners + body dysmorphia and eating disorders. I actually think there is a wider occurring problem, where providers with low self esteem UNDERESTIMATE their potential performance + subsist in poverty !!! ESPECIALLY WITH YOUNGER WOMEN, LOW SELF ESTEEM IS HUGE ISSUE FOR YOUNG WOMEN !!! Women's self esteem is the toilet from middle school to mid 20's. ( There is a lot of recent research to back that last sentence up. ) THE REALITY IS THAT PROVIDER PAY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SELF ESTEEM. SELF ESTEEM CAN BE A FACTOR, BUT GIRLS WITH HIGHER RATES ARE JUST BETTER BUSINESS PEOPLE + THAT'S IT.

Did you actually just state that girls who charge a respectable fee do so (mostly) because they have image issues? But those with higher rates have more self esteem? Tell me...as a consumer...why I should care at the end of the day? I am renting an experience from a temporary worker in an open market environ...if a girl with low self esteem provides as well or better than one with high self esteem-but does so with less financial impact-then why should I care? I will also state that some of the "HDH" are MANAGED & don't have a say so in what their rate is...if she provides well she might get a present sometimes..(to your celebrity gift program). Hell an ATF got a nice pair of diamond earrings from me a while back, but we had been seeing each other outside the hobby so it wasn't just a hoogar gift. "Girls with higher rates are just better business people" TAK, you are the IOS trolling queen. I'm not putting you down over that, but you are constantly scrounging for business....ANY business...please don't hold out to the tenant that I hear so nauseatingly from EVERY Hoogar on the board "I have plenty of business". Sometimes you do, sometimes you don't. I have a friend...and yes, she is a friend...who was the most sought out Hoogar in Austin for awhile...stage name of Tori...she now charges $500 per hour, and is as close to worth it as anyone possibly could be. Thank god for friendship and grandfather rates...Now even SHE struggles for cash on occasion, and doesn't really need to advertise any more. Fact is when I hit the lotto, she is all mine...LMAO...well, hold that thought...would have to check with the ATF to see if she were interested first....or hell, just have them both!!

Here is your statement from an earlier thread...
To help them never lose their cell phone or have it die just before they are supposed to meet you

To help them remember to save rent money all month instead of hoping they can get enough back-to-back sessions in the last 3 days of the month to make rent

THESE TWO (see above) HAVE STRESSED ME OUT THE MOST !!! either personally or vicariously !!!!

So being a high rate, good business woman....are you saying you struggle for rent every month? Why is that? Being a celebrity hoogar should afford one international travel (with perks), free room and board, and all the cash they can spend...is it not so?

WHEN I JUST GET FREE MONEY, LIKE A LOW LEVEL CELEBRITY.

In my job we get "bonuses" and "raises"...you'll see me travelling the second week of April after I get this years bonus...wanna help pick the city? On the list are Bangkok (been), Vancouver (been), San Francisco (could write a map), NOLA (same), Puerto Vallarta...among others. Help me choose?

THE "ENTERTAINMENT ECONOMIC MODEL" IS FITTING. I DON'T IDENTIFY AS A "CELEBRITY." I WOULD BE EMBARRASSED TO CALL MYSELF THAT. HOWEVER, MY INCOME IS INFLATED BY FAME + I GET FREEBIES AND HAND OUTS THE WAY A FAMOUS PERSON DOES.

Would you define "freebies and handouts"? Do you get cool looking Koozies or has a trick ever given you diamond earrings?

THERE IS NO TEMP THAT GETS PAID THAT WAY. THERE ARE CLIENTS OUT THERE WITH A "STAR STRUCK" ATTITUDE TOWARDS CERTAIN PROVIDERS + THE MORE FAMOUS A PROVIDER IS * ; THE MORE MONEY SHE WILL MAKE.

I see this as somewhat true, see my example on Tori above...but is this the norm or the rare exception?

THERE IS ALSO CROSS OVER WITH THE REAL ENTERTAINMENT BUSINESS IN LOS ANGELES WITH PORN STAR PROVIDERS. WHAT TEMP JOB IS LIKE THIS ? THERE ARE NONE.
Excuse me if I see porn as the bottom rung of the business..."show fucking" has never done much for me, it really hasn't. I like the semi amatures thank you very much. Just me, and I realize there is a huge audience who wants to fuck a girl who has been filed fucking...its just not my thing...

* PROVIDER FAME IS VERY "BIG FISH IN THE SMALL POND," BUT THIS BUSINESS IS PART OF "THE ENTERTAINMENT ECONOMY". IT IS NOT "MANUAL LABOR" WITH HANDJOBS.

Its a physically and metally demanding job to agree to intimacy with some random guy who you have NO idea what he looks like, what he smells like, what he is carrying with him...I had an OC a while back...first visit...and a bit out of the norm for me. Normally my OC girls I will meet in a public place first, get to know them...or will be IC for a while and I'll trust them enough to invite them to my home...but this time it was late at night, trolling BP (you started on BP too) and found a latina I thought I would like...long story short I call her up, she comes, I watch her through the security camera as she approaches the door and she is scared to death...body language...sighs...etc. And I saw what it must be like for some that first meeting...not knowing what is behind "door number 3"....so its a high stress job...and if you are NOT stressed, then you are probably not careful . (BTW the session was pretty nice, she was a nice girl and we had a nice time).

WHEN I LIVED IN NEW YORK CITY, A LOT OF THE FINANCES GUYS USED TO DESCRIBE THE HOBBY THIS WAY + THESE ARE GUYS WHO WENT TO HARVARD FOR FINANCE ... I TRUST THEIR KNOWLEDGE.

Please...I have MBA's that answer to me daily...Ivy League, University of Chicago...etc. And they are just as full of shit as the guy who graduated from Texas State...let me ask you, were any of these Harvard grads fucking you or wanting to? Then they are going to tell you what you want to hear...

I read your review history to see where all you've travelled...I've been to Europe, Asia, Canada, most major US cities, the Mexican coast...and have seen Hoogars in many places...(Thailand is a mongers dreamland)...I noticed through your reviews that you have been to Buffalo, NY & Wichita, KN Tell me, what was exotic about those places? I know there is a football team in Buffalo, but what else?

Fun bantering with you TAK...we need to go for coffee one morning and chat...your take on life interests me.

[Sexy Katrina]

Originally Posted by Toyz

I wasn't trying to belittle the profession SK...just bringing reality to TAK....its (normally) a short window for some to make a few bucks...and I see SO MANY just blow through every dollar as soon as they get it instead of using just a modicum of business sense and putting away a few bucks.

Hence the monthly salmon run to make rent money....Damn...put back 1/2 of every session until the rent is covered...phone is covered...car payment..etc...THEN blow the rest and party...

This could be (and is) a decent income for some if they would use the cash better.

Very True

[Bob McV]

I read all of this and agree with most of what Toyz said but the take away was ...

Originally Posted by Toyz

.:snip:.
...not knowing what is behind "door number 3"....

he lives in unit #3

[Toyz]

Originally Posted by Bob McV

I read all of this and agree with most of what Toyz said but the take away was ...


he lives in unit #3

I prefer to refer to it as "cell block toi"

[Secret_Amore]

Originally Posted by Toyz

Thanks for taking the time to voice a well thought out response SA. I'll respond to a couple of points...

1). If you haven't read the CB comments, how on earth are you capable of writing a response and making broad stroke assumptions on what is there???? MOST of the CBC stuff has been in jest and making fun of us being cheap! The majority of the people offended have been the ones with the 300+ rates...imagine that. To me the adage "there is a fool born every minute" is in play here. But again...PLEASE...that is JUST my opinion, nothing more...don't turn it into a monster, its just an opinion.

2). Claire & Rossi et al, took it upon themselves to open a north IC. I would like to see how many verified mongers actually requested it...5-6? Was that a good enough ROI to make a business plan for making a 2nd incall? I certainly can't say...but it bares mentioning.

claire is a smart money conscious person. and she manages her money wisely I am not speaking for her but I personally don't think she would have put so much time, money and effort at the behest of 5-6 between her and scarlett >_>


3). No one has SAID that a woman has "no right" to charge whatever she wants. Just that some of us will not be partaking at that rate. I think what was stated is that some of us think its preposterous to ask that much...its an opinion...just as a girl as the right to think she is "worth" that kind of expenditure.

no one directly said that,spelled it out. neither you or other poster but the OP...you did read what his whole thread is about right. through his words and phrasing he's all but come right out and said that. and no his words are subtle so it's not like it can really be mistaken that's not what he's saying.

4). FEW providers offer MSOG on 1/2 hour...not THAT many on an hour. Its not a given. Now Sweet Mimi demands it on a 1/2 hour, which I find refreshing-if exhausting-if more had her drive to impress & satisfy I doubt they would be bitching about someone suggesting their rates are too high.

Again, thanks for an intelligent response...we do have common ground & just disagree on a few points. I too don't think beauty is the lone factor involved...however, at these prices it is certainly the BUYERS right to invoke his own value scale, agreed?

.

[Ember Simmers]

My answer is... "Supply and Demand"

I saved this quote from a Yahoo article from a few months ago about Disney raising their prices. Pretty great that Disney has to deal people complaining online just like us escorts do!!

“If you think Disney World’s gotten too expensive, don’t bother complaining,” Robert Niles, editor of Theme Park Insider and a former Magic Kingdom employee, wrote on his website. “Disney’s looking at attendance numbers when setting prices, not people moaning online. Look for an alternative where to spend your money instead.”

Many girls raise their prices based on supply and demand. Any business people here will understand that concept.
Oh and 2 years ago I could easily get a pretty nice room for under $100... I haven't seen that in forever now.... And I use to be able to eat at a restaurant for under $15....
Moral of the story: things are more expensive now.

[Easttxrancher]

They may not want hhr appointments so they can charge more buck for the bang, but fo some if you pop early it's a kiss and see ya!

[jollygaroger]

Ember has it exactly right - supply and demand. They'll ask what they can get for the volume they want. Adjust accordingly.

As for me, I demand 120-140/hh and I can pretty much supply that any day of the week. But finding a willing provider isn't always easy so it keeps my money supply from drying up!

[AtxTexMex]

Originally Posted by Ember Simmers

My answer is... "Supply and Demand"

I saved this quote from a Yahoo article from a few months ago about Disney raising their prices. Pretty great that Disney has to deal people complaining online just like us escorts do!!

“If you think Disney World’s gotten too expensive, don’t bother complaining,” Robert Niles, editor of Theme Park Insider and a former Magic Kingdom employee, wrote on his website. “Disney’s looking at attendance numbers when setting prices, not people moaning online. Look for an alternative where to spend your money instead.”

Many girls raise their prices based on supply and demand. Any business people here will understand that concept.
Oh and 2 years ago I could easily get a pretty nice room for under $100... I haven't seen that in forever now.... And I use to be able to eat at a restaurant for under $15....
Moral of the story: things are more expensive now.

True but your not renting a room every half hour, and a single person can still eat at a restaurant for 15.00, now if you want a three course meal and drinks then yeah thats a bit more but just as more is usually available in an HR visit vs a HH.

[Toyz]

Bottom line...cost of living index has not gone up 30-50% in the last year...some rates have.

Its not scientific rocketeering.

I will still cater to the girl that gets that. Seeing me 3X a month at 100 beats zero times at 300. That's not "air math".

So it basically works out to 300 at an hour and a half of time vs 300 at an hour. And u get the pleasure of my witty company thrice not once.

[fun2come]

Originally Posted by Toyz

And u get the pleasure of my witty company thrice not once.

, you ARE so FULL of it ...... wit that is....

[Ember Simmers]

Toyz ..... I do just fine without seeing you… And I have never seen you… So your lack of business is definitely not affecting me.
Supply and demand.

And I never said anything about cost of living etc etc. and saying that I was trying to stay in the same bracket as two years ago, I was putting the two together,
Along with things being more expensive and my demand being higher, I choose to charge more.
if my demand is so high that I can charge more and make more. Then why not do it?
Like I said before, all business people will understand that. You obviously don't own your own business...