Attention New Ladies or Ladies that remember when they were new and someone offered to help them get verified.....

[Beagle]

I think everyone should look past the writing styles. Doesn't matter if someone helped her to express her thoughts, so long as the contents aren't adulterated.

Now that we've heard both sides, I'm interested to see if JJ refutes any part of Summer's statement. There are lots of serious issues and discrepancies to be addressed......I'll wait till JJ points them out........

[Still Looking]

I posted earlier in the thread but decided to wait to see how it played out. Here is the readers digest version...

The Players

Whispers: OP
iamsummer: provider
JJ: Mod / Hobbyist
The rest of us are just on the sidelines trying to figure out what's going on.

Thread Topic

Verification of Providers when they were "NEW"

SL Interesting Observations

1) How many hobbyists go to a session with out knowing the rate?
2) Was this a session for verification or for pleasure or perhaps both?

The plot my thicken if more providers step forward. It happened in WACO and has been a big issue in Houston. The site is littered with dead MODS for this issue.

One needs to ask themselves, should a MOD (Volunteer who may or may not be a hobbyist or provider if a female MOD) verify providers? And if they do can they ask for a freebie? I'm betting there will be mixed feelings about this.

Here is my take. If I was getting freebies no one would care. If I got a freebie for verifying a provider no one would care. Now I have helped well over 50+ providers set up accounts, taken pictures and even done their first review or waited and was their second or third. Now I'm not a MOD and I have NEVER excepted a freebie or even a discount. Why is that? Because then I'm not helping I'm doing something to get something. I also don't negotiate providers rates... NEVER. But I do at times take advantage of review specials.

If a hobbyist helps set up an account, perhaps takes pictures should his time be worth something and is it OK to ask for a discount or freebie? I say hell yes. I have never asked but in almost EVERY case the provider wants to do something for me. Whether it be discount or freebie. I ALWAYS refuse.

Now on to "verification" that's where the issue get very interesting. Helping a provider get verified is a good thing. Both for a hobbyist and a MOD. But the minute a discount or freebie are part of the deal that's a BIG RED FLAG. I'll use the word unethical.

JJ is correct this is a He said she said. Some where between both sides lies the truth. Only the two know the truth.

My Advise to JJ:
As a hobbyist if you contact a provider the very first thing (HOBBY 101) you should do is establish a price for the session. Then complete the session and pay for services rendered... her time. As a MOD it should be exactly the same. Now once you have completed the session if you choose to help the young lady or old lady...LOL set up her account, take pictures and help her with the site then by all means do so. If you expect something for your time make damn sure she knows what you charge in advance just like you want to know how much your session will be before you show up. After all... any hobbyist knows that one NEVER talks about money at a session... RIGHT? (HOBBY 101)

My Advise to iamSummer:
It's always best to secure help from other established providers. There are plenty of them out there. They will share things that hobbyists might not even think about. They can direct you in regard to getting verified and perhaps even recommend gentleman they know to be kind and helpful in nature. Tracy, Sonya, Slave, Alpha to name just a few. Protect yourself at all times and trust no one with your safety.

I pass no judgment here. The only thing I'm certain of is, you just can't say MOD / FREEBIE or DISCOUNT in the same sentence. That's just bad news! Always has been, always will be. The only thing worse is putting the words MOD and PIMP in the same sentence! That's a disaster!

Something to ponder... Who should be thinking about protecting themselves and their reputation the most?

1) A MOD who also happens to be a seasoned hobbyists?

or

2) A new provider who hasn't a clue what's going on?

[Whispers]

Originally Posted by Laz

How do you know the stories they are telling are true?

I don't. I hear stories all the time over the years. About 95% of what I hear I respond to with a empathetic message and I file it all away to not be thought of again. But over time.... I hear another story..... and then another story that all sound way too similar....

and that is when I start asking around and try to verify things with as many others as possible.

To paraphrase you they are all out to get as much money as they can out of a guy and that is all they care about. Are you trying to become the provider champion or something?

No. My motives in these things are seldom about the ladies themselves. I can't stand that we have guys on these sites that post reviews and opinions and are "well thought of" getting their slaps on the back and later find out they are rapists, thieves, dealers, pimps and people that we never should have trusted in the first place.

Does exposing the guy help the lady in any way? Perhaps she gets some closure that her story was told and the guy was seen for who he really is. But nothing ever gets made right for her.

But we all know to question anything he writes from that point forward. His motives are not the same as mine or most others. He's here looking to scam as much free or discounted pussy as he can get but reporting to us how great she is and that she is worth the $250/$300.

I believe in what this site is about. The Information we share. I want it to be accurate and the result of another guys actual experience. I want to pay exactly what he paid and get exactly the great time he got.

I have no doubt that the ladies get taken advantage of by some people. I also have no doubt many of them lie. In this case I have no idea who is telling the truth.

I do not know either person and have no way of judging what is being stated. If the provider is telling the truth at least she was smart enough to tell JJ to piss off and she ended up with the status she wanted.

That should bother you. It bothers me. I think it is being downplayed in a lot of people's minds but listen to what she is saying and her contention is that she was NEVER REVIEWED or VOUCHED FOR by any Established Member An Established PROVIDER REFUSED to vouch for her according to JJ. Yet she was give Verified Provider Status 6 weeks before her first review?

Why? So far JJ can't remember

If JJ is telling the truth he now has to decide whether or not to respond. Based on my experience he loses either way. It appears you have already made your decision on who you believe and will pick apart anything he says.

No. I have NOT made any personal decision on this yet. Last Night I posted that I could see from BOTH stories a very strong reason why IAMSUMMER would THINK he had no intention of paying and that JJ would be guilty of nothing. Hell I never pay up front. Never lay down an envelope. If I showed up and was asked for money I leave. Does that mean I had no intention of paying? Absolutely not. In the stories as presented it is Hes Said She Said and Benefit of the Doubt would go to JJ.

BUT.....

Is there more to the story? I believe there is.

I would suggest nobody rush to any conclusions yet.

This story. As it sits at the moment is truly "He Said She Said"

But I believe it is going to become, He Said... She Said.... She Said.... etc.. etc..

In other words... I believe there are more stories.

Originally Posted by canyonman

I can't be the only one that noticed two different writing styles in this post.

I agree. Part of the story was written at a different time in a different emotional state. I had received the long narrative portion previously as well as suggested to summer that she not post anything prior to her first post. I wanted time to read it through again and compare it with other stuff I've been sent as well as to let the thread serve it's purpose which was to get other ladies to provide some info if they have it.

She is extremely distraught and an emotional mess over this. I knew she was unavailable yesterday evening and my phone lit up after she got back and saw the responses. I think you are seeing the writings of a young lady that probably does not normally convey herself in the most well written manner under the best of circumstances as well as the same lady writing in a fury pissed that she is not believed.

No matter what JJ has said. I will say that in IAMSUMMER's case she truly believes what she has written. As to why she believes it that is something only her and JJ know as it evolves from the time he was alone with her.

Originally Posted by Beagle

I think everyone should look past the writing styles. Doesn't matter if someone helped her to express her thoughts, so long as the contents aren't adulterated.

Now that we've heard both sides, I'm interested to see if JJ refutes any part of Summer's statement. There are lots of serious issues and discrepancies to be addressed......I'll wait till JJ points them out........

Originally Posted by Still Looking

I pass no judgment here. The only thing I'm certain of is, you just can't say MOD / FREEBIE or DISCOUNT in the same sentence. That's just bad news! Always has been, always will be. The only thing worse is putting the words MOD and PIMP in the same sentence! That's a disaster!

[sms918]

SL, best explanation by far. concise to the point without any extras

[dearhunter]

Only admin can give a provider VP status.......this usually happens at the request of a City Forum Modtard.

[Whispers]

Originally Posted by dearhunter

Only admin can give a provider VP status.......this usually happens at the request of a City Forum Modtard.

Does the MOD have to provide the reason to the Admin or just say XXX is verified please push the button for her?

Is there a norm? Something considered acceptable in doing so?

[mayorcastro]

So iamsummer has a pimp right??

[handyGiraffe]

[Novatx]

Originally Posted by handyGiraffe

[Hiker78]

The smoking bullet seems to be the verification, conveniently it seems There are no records, JJ does not remember how it happened and another provider refused to verify her. I bet the staff will have a great explanation very soon! I think it's possible some of the staff are guilty of negligent indifference.

[dearhunter]

Originally Posted by Whispers

Does the MOD have to provide the reason to the Admin or just say XXX is verified please push the button for her?

Is there a norm? Something considered acceptable in doing so?

Below is an example message sent to hooktards in Houston (I don't pay attention to what SA modtards do......not my front yard).......

Welcome (insert hooker name),

You may post a weekly ad once you have been upgraded to Verified Provider.

Submit your info to the staff at houston@eccie.net

1. website address (your website or advertising site)
2. referral from another provider or hobbyist
3. links to reviews from recognized members (any site)

Any combination of the above requirements which will sufficiently establish you as a legit provider will be accepted.

The verification process could take 24-48 hours.

I have to be careful how I say this next part (I am not at liberty to share modtardville content)........

An acceptable method of documenting the above would be for a modtard to RTM the "referral" from another acceptable provider or hobbyist.......and attaching a linck to a hooktards "website address" and/or "links to reviews from recognized members".

The modtard could then ask an admin to activate the VP status in an official request in modtardville providing a link to his documentation.

..............that is a logical way it could be done........ijs

[Guest062114-5]

Easy Schmeasy! Makes me want to get verified just so I can get a decent size PM box... ijs

[Whispers]

Originally Posted by dearhunter

Below is an example message sent to hooktards in Houston (I don't pay attention to what SA modtards do......not my front yard).......

Welcome (insert hooker name),

You may post a weekly ad once you have been upgraded to Verified Provider.

Submit your info to the staff at houston@eccie.net

1. website address (your website or advertising site)
2. referral from another provider or hobbyist
3. links to reviews from recognized members (any site)

Any combination of the above requirements which will sufficiently establish you as a legit provider will be accepted.

The verification process could take 24-48 hours.

I have to be careful how I say this next part (I am not at liberty to share modtardville content)........

An acceptable method of documenting the above would be for a modtard to RTM the "referral" from another acceptable provider or hobbyist.......and attaching a linck to a hooktards "website address" and/or "links to reviews from recognized members".

The modtard could then ask an admin to activate the VP status in an official request in modtardville providing a link to his documentation.

..............that is a logical way it could be done........ijs

But the MOD does not push the actual button.... Based on what you are saying JJ SHOULD in his PM or emails have some supporting documentation that justified asking an ADMIN to light her up as a Verified Provider

Would he need to forward all that to the ADMIN? Or just say Please Verify IAMSUMMER and the admin assume he did due diligence?

I think it is very important because she is asserting she complained that a MOD hustled her for a freebie in order to giver her that status and after she refused and reported it to someone in some way she was magically a Verified Provider which in her mind was to shut her up and protect his rep.

[Hiker78]

Why would JJ give someone he claims he suspected as LE or the news channel a verified status?

[dearhunter]

Originally Posted by Whispers

But the MOD does not push the actual button.... Based on what you are saying JJ SHOULD in his PM or emails have some supporting documentation that justified asking an ADMIN to light her up as a Verified Provider

Would he need to forward all that to the ADMIN? Or just say Please Verify IAMSUMMER and the admin assume he did due diligence?

I think it is very important because she is asserting she complained that a MOD hustled her for a freebie in order to giver her that status and after she refused and reported it to someone in some way she was magically a Verified Provider which in her mind was to shut her up and protect his rep.

You are incorrect.

Based on what I am saying, IF a modtard follows the steps I outlined, there WILL be supporting documents that justify asking an admin to light her up as a verified provider.

Nowhere did I say what I just posted is part of a process requirement. That would require a discussion of what is in modtardville........I never completely trust what comes from a hooktards mind.

There are always exceptions to the norm........I could just as easily as you spin a tale out of all this that would (while making jj look like an idiot) exonerate him of what she is accusing him of.

But, in the end I don't really give a shit..........like you, I am all about the free flow of information.......if a modtard exposes himself to these types of accusations, that is on him.

Let the information flow........he will learn from it..........or he won't.