Katie.Kartwright v. GFX: Unethical business practices, mere negligence or isolated incident?

[HunterGrace]

I wasn't there but five years ago, in 2008, I met "Dre" in Austin. Her story could have been mine except I hung out for less than a day and said, "hell no." and she stuck it out for, what, a week? Anyway, to make a long story short, I completely believe Katie when she says "Dre" is a pimp and there is no "Mrs. M." However, there may be a Mrs. M, five years ago it was just the pimp "Dre" and he had the same personality, same everything, that Katie describes. He was even driving girls around town and taking most of their money. I didn't take any appts but in the few hours I was involved, he drove a young Staff Edit JJ around to her appts, took her money, and they even went on a Staff Edit JJ run, while I was in the back seat. As soon as I could, I ran and never looked back. Yep, I whole heartedly believe this young lady and I would bet money, lots of money, that Dre is behind the entire "agency". He sure does sound like the Dre I met in 2008 before I was even introduced to ASPD. Same MO, different city.

Katie, I can help you reestablish yourself as an indy and get you some great pics that belong only to you. I don't need your money, I would just do it as my humanitarian deed of the month. You don't need to feel bullied any more. Just move on and let this one roll off. You won't change GFX and you won't get a heartfelt apology from them. But you can learn from this and instead of getting jaded, just get some tools in your tool belt and let this industry work for you so you can have some fun and get paid. HG

[Doglegg]

I am seriously liking this lady. Although there are many ladies of the board that freely give advice and encouragement, this HunterGrace provides history, corroboration, advice, and a hands-on assistance presented in a empathetic and believable manner. Kudos to you Hunter and I hope Katie takes you up on your offer.

Originally Posted by HunterGrace

I wasn't there but five years ago, in 2008, I met "Dre" in Austin. Her story could have been mine except I hung out for less than a day and said, "hell no." and she stuck it out for, what, a week? Anyway, to make a long story short, I completely believe Katie when she says "Dre" is a pimp and there is no "Mrs. M." However, there may be a Mrs. M, five years ago it was just the pimp "Dre" and he had the same personality, same everything, that Katie describes. He was even driving girls around town and taking most of their money. I didn't take any appts but in the few hours I was involved, he drove a young Staff Edit JJ around to her appts, took her money, and they even went on a Staff Edit JJ run, while I was in the back seat. As soon as I could, I ran and never looked back. Yep, I whole heartedly believe this young lady and I would bet money, lots of money, that Dre is behind the entire "agency". He sure does sound like the Dre I met in 2008 before I was even introduced to ASPD. Same MO, different city.

Katie, I can help you reestablish yourself as an indy and get you some great pics that belong only to you. I don't need your money, I would just do it as my humanitarian deed of the month. You don't need to feel bullied any more. Just move on and let this one roll off. You won't change GFX and you won't get a heartfelt apology from them. But you can learn from this and instead of getting jaded, just get some tools in your tool belt and let this industry work for you so you can have some fun and get paid. HG

[Still Looking]

Your Honor (Beagle) I would like to be sworn in...

[Samcro84]

This needs to be put to sleep, too much to read and way too much to think about. Remember why we are here!

[Beagle]

Originally Posted by Still Looking

Your Honor (Beagle) I would like to be sworn in...

You have new information? Let's hear it.....

[Still Looking]

Originally Posted by Beagle

You have new information? Let's hear it.....

I promise to tell the truth, the whole truth so help me!




First off I want to say that making judgments while not being informed is stupid. So I took the bull by the horns so to speak in regard to GFX. Everyone ready?

I contracted GFX in regard to meeting Elizabeth. Seems she is unavailable even thou the GFX web site states "ON" in Austin. Fast forward... Starting Monday 1-20-14 thru Wednesday 1-22-14 I exchanged pm’s and texts with GFX try to secure an appointment. Since Elizabeth wasn't available I asked for Mallory. I was offered a special rate of $$$ for Alysha Rylee (Turns out not to be such a special rate) well Alysha never happened...then suddenly I was text that Elizabeth was available. Sadly when I responded a few hours later I was told she was no longer available but Mallory would be. So I set an appointment with Mallory. I show up early as always and get the room number and off I go. As I exit the elevator I see a girl coming out of a room and walk to the stairs. It looked like Mallory!? Yup that's the room I was going to so I knocked on the door and I'm greeted by..... Karrine. Within two minutes I politely said as I pulled up her picture from the GFX web site... "you’re NOT Mallory?". She got very upset and called Mallory who was back in about two minutes. Then Karrine collected her stuff and got dressed to leave. So we're almost 10 minutes past our appointment time as Karrine leaves.

So I ask Mallory WTF is going on? Did GFX tell you who I am? A sad look comes over her face and she unloads. She tells me that there is NO MS. M. There is NO DRIVER. There is only one person... "DRE". She goes on to tell me that Karrine was dropped off in Killeen and got booted out of her room after the first day with no money and no food as "DRE" didn't book any appointments for her. Then I get told they (Karrine & Mallory) hadn't eaten all day except for breakfast at the hotel. It was 7 pm. She tells me that both Karrine & she wanted to get out of town. I listened for the rest of the session about the abuse the girls were subjected too which included some of the girls most recently leaving GFX. I was told that "DRE" offers a 60 / 40 split and the girls pay half of all expenses. I had heard enough! I gave Mallory $$ and got the fuck out of there! I told her I would wait at least 48 hours to post about this allowing them time to get out of dodge.

GFX text me and asked how it went. I replied.. Fine once Mallory finally showed up!". GFX replied.. "Cool".

Your honor I submit the following...

65 texts over three days doing the Hokey Pokey is BS. What a fucking joke! As an agency GFX sucks the big hairy wet one!

Now what can I prove? Hummmmm other than getting shitty service from GFX not much of anything... or can I?

"DRI" is not new. He has been around for some time. I was given Intel on him over three years ago while in San Antonio and in Austin. I helped "FOUR" providers to date get away from him and his way of doing business. They all told the same story of threats of being outed and actual methods of stalking. The ECCIE guidelines prohibit me from discussing many of "DRI'S" methods. Needless to say he would stop at nothing to get these providers to keep working for him. The last one was almost a year ago in Austin where the young lady told me she was being forced to take 8-10 appointments per day. BP ad with fake pictures. I took her back to San Antonio that night. We had dinner and I dropped her off at a family member’s house. I never heard from her again. One big mistake "DRE" has made over the years is he has given out his real name to certain providers. This is NOT an outing expedition and I would never do that! Even to a DAMN pimp. Many have met him at strip clubs. So "many" of us know who he is and the game he plays.

That being said "DRI" why don't you just own up to being behind GFX? Is it because of the past mistakes you have made trafficking ladies? Ever thought of running a "clean" operation? They do exist. How many ladies need to come forward telling the same story before you get it?

I'm sure I'll be reading a snappy response to my post but really spare us. But that might allow you to keep the GFX fires burning till it just falls on it’s face. Squeeze out ever last drop if you will. Time to move on "DRE".

[Guest032716]

Very enlightening and very sad indeed! And kudos to you SL for going out and getting the scoop!

[Beagle]

Wow, thanks for the much needed intel. I think that's the smoking gun we need to pin GFX aka Dre down!

With that, let's see if SgtGonzo, coffeexxx420 and especially Kuhlarrow have anything to say about their statements. I can understand how the former 2 could have been easily deceived, but Kuhlarrow??? PA is required to see the most important statement he made.

Originally Posted by SgtGonzo

This seems to be a messy thread and don't mean to get all into it but, I can say that I've talked to Ms. M on the phone a couple times. She seems to be a nice person when I've talked to her.

Thats it, my .02

Originally Posted by coffeexxx420

I've never experienced any issues working with Ms.M or GFX. From pass phone conversations everything goes they as planned and things always seem to work out.

Originally Posted by Kuhlarrow

From GFEKRYSTINA Quote:http://www.eccie.net/showthread.php?t=950303&page=2
"I've worked independently, and for other agencies in california, denver, and new york. I must say gfx is one of the more professional, safe, and well-organized companies."


I hope my fantasy world hasn't gotten so far as to have made me "A Beautiful Mind"!

Charles: So what's your story? You the poor kid that never got to go to Exeter or Andover?
Nash: Despite my privileged upbringing, I'm actually quite well-balanced. I have a chip on both shoulders.

What a great drama...the MOVIE ain't bad either!
Lol!!!

[Beagle]

Before another poster jumps in with another remark of "no big deal if GFX is just another pimp", I should clarify this:

Biggest problem here is that GFX is allegedly running under the guise of a "clean" agency operation. If these unethical treatments were brought to light long ago, I doubt GFX would be able to thrive the same way they did to this day.

Considering GFX did consider me to have given them a fair consideration in my previous evaluation, it goes to say they should have no qualms replying to SL's statement this time around.

Originally Posted by gfx

Thank you Mr. Beagle for exonerating us! At first I was skeptical, but you truly showed due diligence in your investigation. I believe you were objective and meticulous. I will get around to apologizing to Katie sooner or later.

PS. SL - Might be a good idea starting a new thread with just your statement. I think your post here might not get the attention it deserves due to the number of members who were jaded with this thread, or too lazy to read every post.

[Still Looking]

Originally Posted by Beagle

Wow, thanks for the much needed intel. I think that's the smoking gun we need to pin GFX aka Dre down!

Don't look for these providers to come forward like the "Well Known" and respected "Hunter Grace". Katie has my respect for standing up for herself. Some of these girls are scared to death. They just want away from him and the miserable position they put themselves in.

[Whispers]

Originally Posted by Still Looking

I promise to tell the truth, the whole truth so help me!




First off I want to say that making judgments while not being informed is stupid. So I took the bull by the horns so to speak in regard to GFX. Everyone ready?

I contracted GFX in regard to meeting Elizabeth. Seems she is unavailable even thou the GFX web site states "ON" in Austin. Fast forward... Starting Monday 1-20-14 thru Wednesday 1-22-14 I exchanged pm’s and texts with GFX try to secure an appointment. Since Elizabeth wasn't available I asked for Mallory. I was offered a special rate of $$$ for Alysha Rylee (Turns out not to be such a special rate) well Alysha never happened...then suddenly I was text that Elizabeth was available. Sadly when I responded a few hours later I was told she was no longer available but Mallory would be. So I set an appointment with Mallory. I show up early as always and get the room number and off I go. As I exit the elevator I see a girl coming out of a room and walk to the stairs. It looked like Mallory!? Yup that's the room I was going to so I knocked on the door and I'm greeted by..... Karrine. Within two minutes I politely said as I pulled up her picture from the GFX web site... "you’re NOT Mallory?". She got very upset and called Mallory who was back in about two minutes. Then Karrine collected her stuff and got dressed to leave. So we're almost 10 minutes past our appointment time as Karrine leaves.

So I ask Mallory WTF is going on? Did GFX tell you who I am? A sad look comes over her face and she unloads. She tells me that there is NO MS. M. There is NO DRIVER. There is only one person... "DRE". She goes on to tell me that Karrine was dropped off in Killeen and got booted out of her room after the first day with no money and no food as "DRE" didn't book any appointments for her. Then I get told they (Karrine & Mallory) hadn't eaten all day except for breakfast at the hotel. It was 7 pm. She tells me that both Karrine & she wanted to get out of town. I listened for the rest of the session about the abuse the girls were subjected too which included some of the girls most recently leaving GFX. I was told that "DRE" offers a 60 / 40 split and the girls pay half of all expenses. I had heard enough! I gave Mallory $$ and got the fuck out of there! I told her I would wait at least 48 hours to post about this allowing them time to get out of dodge.

GFX text me and asked how it went. I replied.. Fine once Mallory finally showed up!". GFX replied.. "Cool".

Your honor I submit the following...

65 texts over three days doing the Hokey Pokey is BS. What a fucking joke! As an agency GFX sucks the big hairy wet one!

Now what can I prove? Hummmmm other than getting shitty service from GFX not much of anything... or can I?

"DRI" is not new. He has been around for some time. I was given Intel on him over three years ago while in San Antonio and in Austin. I helped "FOUR" providers to date get away from him and his way of doing business. They all told the same story of threats of being outed and actual methods of stalking. The ECCIE guidelines prohibit me from discussing many of "DRI'S" methods. Needless to say he would stop at nothing to get these providers to keep working for him. The last one was almost a year ago in Austin where the young lady told me she was being forced to take 8-10 appointments per day. BP ad with fake pictures. I took her back to San Antonio that night. We had dinner and I dropped her off at a family member’s house. I never heard from her again. One big mistake "DRE" has made over the years is he has given out his real name to certain providers. This is NOT an outing expedition and I would never do that! Even to a DAMN pimp. Many have met him at strip clubs. So "many" of us know who he is and the game he plays.

That being said "DRI" why don't you just own up to being behind GFX? Is it because of the past mistakes you have made trafficking ladies? Ever thought of running a "clean" operation? They do exist. How many ladies need to come forward telling the same story before you get it?

I'm sure I'll be reading a snappy response to my post but really spare us. But that might allow you to keep the GFX fires burning till it just falls on it’s face. Squeeze out ever last drop if you will. Time to move on "DRE".

WELL..... You couldn't get the driver job so you got the story another way!

[Still Looking]

Originally Posted by Beagle

Considering GFX did consider me to have given them a fair consideration in my previous evaluation, it goes to say they should have no qualms replying to SL's statement this time around.
PS. SL - Might be a good idea starting a new thread with just your statement. I think your post here might not get the attention it deserves due to the number of members who were jaded with this thread, or too lazy to read every post.

What possibly could they come back with? I'm a liar? I made this shit all up? Hunter Grace, Katie, Mallory, Karrine, four others that I know about are ALL WRONG? Give me a fucking break! It's fucking over. Time to call in the dogs and piss on the fire!

Look for GFY or GFZ or DRE'S HOUSE OF STANK coming soon.

[Still Looking]

Originally Posted by Whispers

WELL..... You couldn't get the driver job so you got the story another way!

Hey I got it... maybe you and I should drive to SA and meet with Beagle and Ms. M. love to ask her a few questions. I bet she'll have all the answers!

[Beagle]

I like to put myself in a position of a skeptic with regards to what anyone has to say.....until they present information to convince me otherwise. I'm not that egoistic as to think that my opinion/judgment on any matter would be the final determinant on any issue. Rather, I'm one of many members, representing either side of any view. If you can't convince me, think of the other members who might not be convinced either. The goal here is to sway public opinion.

In this case, I think you might have just hit the nail in the coffin. I'd be interested to see how GFX replies to your statement.

[Still Looking]

Originally Posted by Beagle

I like to put myself in a position of a skeptic with regards to what anyone has to say.....until they present information to convince me otherwise. I'm not that egoistic as to think that my opinion/judgment on any matter would be the final determinant on any issue. Rather, I'm one of many members, representing either side of any view. If you can't convince me, think of the other members who might not be convinced either. The goal here is to sway public opinion.

In this case, I think you might have just hit the nail in the coffin. I'd be interested to see how GFX replies to your statement.

Beagle how about trying this...

1) Ask to talk to Ms. M... surely with everything going down the toilet she would answer a few questions? Right? No texting!

2) Ask to meet Mallory or Karrine ASAP! My treat!