Time Wasters - Any of the ladies willing to tackle the subject openly?

[Pepper_Springfield]

Ok, I did not want to get in the middle of this, nor am I taking sides, but I will tell about my experiences with Laz.

I have known Laz for several years now. Yes, he knows sometimes he annoys the fuck out of me because he has always tried to knock sense into me when I have made some stupid decisions in the past (but not literally, don't go thinking he beats people or anything! LOL) But what I can say about him time wasting at the socials is, who doesn't waste time there? I mean, I don't recall getting more than maybe 5 appointments from meeting people at the socials in the 5 or more years Ive attended. I always figured I just was not for them, so I was never offended. Really, I was just there to party!

As for Laz, everyone who has been around long enough knows he is on a budget. He has bartered with a couple girls for printers he gets with points at a store. Every blue moon he will book an appt with the girl he wants to see most. That's his decision to make. You get the picture?

Now, to say he just stands around waiting for girls to get drunk because he wants to take advantage, is a bit much. Laz has had plenty of opportunities to take advantage of me when I was drunk and he did not. And trust me when I say, I can be really convincing when Im tipsy. LOL He is very flirty and you know that from the moment you meet him. If that bothers you, then avoid him. It's that easy. Also, plenty of people have asked me if I need a ride after a social, but I don't think that necessarily makes them a bad guy.

I had a guy ask me about dinner last week and I asked if he just wanted dinner or an actual 5 hr dinner date/dessert etc (u know what I mean) that is on my showcase. I make sure to do that, always. Hey, sometimes, I just wanna go out to eat/drink for free! But Im not going home with ya! LOL

If anything, I have taken advantage of Laz.

"Take me here, Laz!"
"I need this, Laz."
"Help me with my homework, Laz!"
"Send me a pizza, Laz."
"I wanna go out, Laz!"
"Bring me your movies, Laz!"
"Take me to the dr, Laz!"
"Take me to buy my meds, Laz!"

I am all kinds of needy if we are friends! LOL And let's be honest, there are quite a few people that have formed friendships here over the years. And yes, I have a car, I just really hate driving!

So, I was not there for the past yr where some people claim Laz does all kinds of things, but I thought I should speak up on what I do know about him and the way he is with me and what I have observed when I have been around.

[Ms Francisca]

Originally Posted by Laz

Am I a waste of time for most ladies? If they are only focused on the money and assume all time is compensated then yes, I am not a good client for them.

ASSUME?????? We post rates so you KNOW how much it will cost you.

You spend time with ladies n give NO COMPENSATION. A CLIENT is someone that pays. You dont pay, making you a time waster not a client.

I choose to spend time off clock with clients that spend $ on me. That is my choice and not to be assumed.



If they only want to spend time in any manner or form with me if they are being paid they will be disappointed but I do my best not to lead them on. I do not hobby a lot and that is not a secret to anyone. Like others on these forums I do not believe in paying for non bcd time. All the provider has to do is say no or tell me the price and I will say no thanks. Now with all of that being said I do not call and harass people or lead anyone on with false expectations.

You meet ladies at hobby socials. Ladies that go to socials are providers. Providers charge hobbyist $ to spend time with them. You dont seem to grasp that concept. Providers do not want to spend time with you for free. We r dissapointed when you show up at a social and waste my time thinking you are a prospective client.

Yes LAZ, a lot of guys will not pay for non BCD time. Most of these guys will pay for BCD and then they get off clock time with a provider.
You seem to think we should spend time with you for the hell of it?

As for Francesca, she is pissed about things that are not hobby related and trying to get even this way. I have no intention of getting into that on this forum other than to say she thinks I treated her wrong. I disagree with her and we will soon have no interactions which I am sure will make us both happy.

Actually it is hobby related. You used the hobby or me being a provider to lie and steal from me.

Johnny- You are correct, I should know better, but I also make mistakes.

My dinner/lunch date rate is $500 its not a secret n its posted.
I should not have to discuss rates with a client.
I did not ask LAZ for any money.... took the T-Shirt and thankfull for a nice meal.

[Whispers]

Originally Posted by Netx9

Questions on a hooker board forum thread that you started to encourage this discussion of this topic of time wasters should not in any way discourage a woman from reporting rape to the proper authorities...

The thread was started to encourage ladies to come forward and bring out the names of some of these guys.

My questions were on that topic - time wasters - and the other reporting venues. I'd definitely expect an alert and broadcast of any incident of a provider being raped or beaten by a client...

That has gone unreported more than once as well. Especially when the guilty party is a high profile poster.

Questions about reporting time wasters does not rise to the level of discouraging reporting of serious/criminal behavior... You made the equivalence, not me.

I disagree.... Ask some of your lady friends..... How they feel? Whether or not they would think your questions could discourage a lady from stepping up?

And yes, apologies for misstating the the distinction between encouraging rape vs discouraging reporting.

No worries....

[Ms Francisca]

Originally Posted by Darcy Darling

If anything, I have taken advantage of Laz.

"Take me here, Laz!"
"I need this, Laz."
"Help me with my homework, Laz!"
"Send me a pizza, Laz."
"I wanna go out, Laz!"
"Bring me your movies, Laz!"
"Take me to the dr, Laz!"
"Take me to buy my meds Laz!"

I am all kinds of needy if we are friends! LOL

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You are speaking as his friend not as a provider.

You did not mention having a session with him. Has he ever booked with you?

LAZ likes needy women/providers that he can befriend.

He somehow thought I was a needy provider.... BIG MISTAKE. The only thing I need from a client is to get paid.

If you are a plumber you expect to get paid from your clients.

I rarely make friendships in the hobby. I have made friends but Francisca is here to make money first, friendships evolve over time..
I do not get involved in the eccie "clicks" per say.

I am not a provider to make friends. I provide to make money.
If you want to make friends with a hobbyist, that is your choice but as far as I know..... This board is about business first.

[Ms Francisca]

NetX- I have also heard very nice things of you & I think you would have a ladies best interest.
Unfortunately I can say that in the 14 years I have been in this hobby I know of many, many, many ladies that get raped, shorted, beat up, taken advantage of.... over n over n over again wiith nothing being done. You want to hear some stories? I have plenty.

During aspd days I fought against the pimps, the unde4r age girls advertising, the false reviews, the corruption of mods..... I won a battle or 2 but mostly I would just get banned.

Truth is Netx, large majority of ladies will keep quiet.... Even I have kept things to myself... At the end of the day, regardless of how much love you guys show us.... Majority of Hobbyist look at us as nothing more than dumb hookers beneath the civi woman.

I have asked this before.... How many of you fathers have sat your daughters down n told them about the wonderful career of being a provider?

When you suggext this career to a woman you Love then I will believe you respect me as a peovider.

[Ms Francisca]

Darci, I just realized who you are.... LAZ is your friend?????

Darlin, your friend Laz has told me enough about you (mostly about your bad habits) that I think I am your BFF.

[Erich711]

Ms Francisca, your actions and intent in this thread are admirable and I fully support protecting the ladies who are not only in this forum but also globally, but it must start here first and I salute what you're doing.

I'm not taking sides vis-a-vis Laz or others, having not been there since there are always three sides to the story. Thank you for bringing this up initially through W and then coming forward, it's good for the community to tackle these issues head-on (no pun intended).

Stronger message to follow on Whispers...

[Erich711]

@ Whispers... I've seen your type on many battle fields in the world and I've been in all off them since 1981... Your type bravado and braggadocio have gotten many good people killed and wounded... And even though what you're stating you want to do is righteous, your methods and intent are lacking...

To accuse Netx9 of encouraging rape, no matter the circumstance is specious to say the least and probably is even worse...

You Sir, are the very essence of this thread and wasting a LOT of time of both providers and clients.

Therefore, in the words of "Shark Tank," "I'm out" and not voting for you your insurrection as a new Mod.

And I'm looking forward to your Playground Bully reparte'

[JohnnyYanks]

Originally Posted by Ms Francisca

... Majority of Hobbyist look at us as nothing more than dumb hookers beneath the civi woman.

I have asked this before.... How many of you fathers have sat your daughters down n told them about the wonderful career of being a provider?

A very provocative point you raise, Ms. I could not ever understand your full level of frustration but it sounds as if in your 14 years of providing you have been paid much lip service but have been disappointed "when the rubber meets the road." Surely your feelings, and position, are justified.

May I offer a different perspective? If I had a daughter, I would not sit her down and advise her to be a Starbuck's barista or a Barnes and Nobles bookseller or a Jim's waitress or a cocktail waitress or a Retail manager or any of a host of other career choices. That does not mean I don't respect those who work in those positions. I love baristas!

Don't people deserve respect based on who they reveal themselves to be? Methinks a job is a very small part of that picture.

[Whispers]

Originally Posted by Erich711

To accuse Netx9 of rape, no matter the circumstance is specious to say the least and probably is even worse...

Can you quote exactly where I accused Netx9 of rape?

Put the words right here in quotes....... Let me see where your comprehension breaks down....



Regarding methods and intent...... 12 years here and on ASPD show them to be highly effective at accomplishing what I look to do.

[Laz]

Originally Posted by Whispers

And the other ladies?

You are called out by another here and I can assure you there are more behind the scenes talking about this with similar concerns.

If you are reffering to MsPK, she did not name me. Francesca said it was me that PK was referring to and Francesca is trying to slander me because of a non hobby related issue she is unhappy about.

If MsPK was referring to me she can say so but I would be disappointed if she did since I thought she knew me better than that. I have taken one provider other than Darcy home when she was not in a safe condition. There would be no accusations of me taking advantage of her since it never happened. I would name her but it is up to her to speak up if she wants to.

[mirandalee]

A mental disorder yea okay you are the one who needs help I aient the only one who you blow up peoples inbox and send a lot of texts too. This is why I save ALL MESSAGES to prove I aient lying sweetie.

[Pepper_Springfield]

Originally Posted by Ms Francisca

Darci, I just realized who you are.... LAZ is your friend?????

Darlin, your friend Laz has told me enough about you (mostly about your bad habits) that I think I am your BFF.

Girl, everybody was aware of my bad habits! That's old news! And yeah, I've known Laz long enough to know he is a gossiper. I didn't say he was an angel! Lol But I know a lot of gossipers on here and that has nothing to do with some of the accusations being tossed his way.

[Still Looking]

Exactly how many pissing matches are going on in this thread? LOL

[Whispers]

Originally Posted by Laz

If you are reffering to MsPK, she did not name me. Francesca said it was me that PK was referring to and Francesca is trying to slander me because of a non hobby related issue she is unhappy about.

In regards to the "non hobby related issue" may I ask when that came up? I know when she originally contacted me and this is a thread that has sat, like many do, for a while while additional information is gathered from others.

And as you can see here it was NOT a thread solely in regards to you although you have been brought up to me three times.

At the moment I have no opinion of you.

Fran states that she agreed to go out with you without confirming it was a date and not on the clock only assuming it was to be for paid time.

She is the professional so that is a definite slip on her part......

But there is much more here than just that date and it comes from more than just her.