Models, Photographers and Copyrights… San Antonio, I want YOUR OPINION…;)

[Erich711]

Don't care if SL learned anything, but I sure did... OH MY!!! We are so fortunate to have such wonderful ladies in San Antonio... and I thought the Pacific was good... YGBSM!

Slave G "Playful One"... you are an incredible woman and we aren't worthy! Now step your bad self on over here!!!

Woo Hoo! Happy New Year everyone!

[Still Looking]

Originally Posted by Precious_b

Yeah.

I hope you learned something SL.

We never stop learning!

[Precious_b]

Originally Posted by Still Looking

We never stop learning!

Ain't that the truth.

Best of the NY to you.

[FlashCardz]

Wow, this is a long thread. I am a professional published photographer. Here's my "opinion"

1. Whoever takes a photo owns the copyright. If you ask your friend to take a photo of you using your own phone, your friend owns the copyright to that photo. On the other side, the model owns the "likeness".

2. The copyright holder has control to what happens to the photo. However, there are limitations. For example, an ad company wants to use the photo. This would be a money making venture, the copyright does not extend. The copyright holder needs to get permission from the model to use the "likeness". . Same thing if that photo is to be published in a magazine.

3. "Model Release (contract)" - This is probably the most misunderstood document in modeling/photography industry. When a model signs a model release, the model is "releasing" rights to the likeness to the photographer. Most of the time, all rights are being released or given to the photographer. The photographer/copyright holder can now do anything with the photo. This includes anything for profit.

4. How would models protect themselves? First, do not sign a release, this is especially if you are paying for the session. If you are paying for photographer's services, ask the photographers to relinquish copyright to you. Now, the model has control. If the photographer, for some reason, wants to use your photo, that photographer will need a "license" to use your likeness.

5. "License to use likeness" - This is where the big bucks come in for the models. You can give full license, restricted license, license with limited time or expirations date ...etc. The models in the campaign ads in magazines are paid the big bucks not because they showed for a shoot but for the use of their likeness.

6. Summary, a photog can do whatever he wants with a photo as long as he is not making off them. He can put his watermark, post the photos on FB or forums, even use for educational purposes. Models has to give a license to use the likeness if the photo is to be used for anything for profit.



So... wants to shoot with me? haha

[guest091214-2]

Thank you flashcardZ that was a great explanation. Hopefully that clears up some confusion...

<3 LL

[FlashCardz]

Originally Posted by *LusciousLeo*

Thank you flashcardZ that was a great explanation. Hopefully that clears up some confusion...

<3 LL

Glad to help

[Guest082318]

This thread is way to long to read but the copy rights are owned by the person who created the art work. When you hire a photographer normally the copyrights are transferred to you. When models do work for TF which means either for model or portfolio building with no fee usage rights of the photos and restrictions are controlled by the photographer. Here is a sample contract, http://www.pbjae.us/TFP%20Contract.pdf

So if the photographer had a watermark requirement and it is removed then the photographer can file a DMCA take down request and sue if it is not complied with.

Sorry if somebody already mentioned this.

EDIT. Just saw that this was already explained much better a few posts above.

[Megan Love]

I don't do contracts. The ladies don't want their real names out there and neither do I. So we go on a hand shake and trust. I'm an escort and photographer, so I totally understand the need for privacy.

The ladies trust that I will not do anything to their photos unless asked permission. If she retires and wants her photos taken down from my site, I take them down immediately... Also, the lady has the option of a watermark or not. I give them both if asked...

Thanks for the promotion ya'll!

I love my job(s)

Happy New Year!

[FlashCardz]

Originally Posted by Megan Love

I don't do contracts. The ladies don't want their real names out there and neither do I. So we go on a hand shake and trust. I'm an escort and photographer, so I totally understand the need for privacy.

The ladies trust that I will not do anything to their photos unless asked permission. If she retires and wants her photos taken down from my site, I take them down immediately... Also, the lady has the option of a watermark or not. I give them both if asked...

Thanks for the promotion ya'll!

I love my job(s)

Happy New Year!

This +1000

[Still Looking]

Originally Posted by Megan Love

I don't do contracts. The ladies don't want their real names out there and neither do I. So we go on a hand shake and trust. I'm an escort and photographer, so I totally understand the need for privacy.

The ladies trust that I will not do anything to their photos unless asked permission. If she retires and wants her photos taken down from my site, I take them down immediately... Also, the lady has the option of a watermark or not. I give them both if asked...

Thanks for the promotion ya'll!

I love my job(s)

Happy New Year!

No large banner on show case pictures... hummmmm. Very nice. Two things..

1) You look smoking hot in your show case pictures!
2) If thats "you" who took those? LOL

I'll be starting a national thread before long about BIG ASS BANNERS across pictutres and "Copy Rights". I hope photographers like your self get a lot of new business once that threAD gets started.

[Megan Love]

Originally Posted by Still Looking

No large banner on show case pictures... hummmmm. Very nice. Two things..

1) You look smoking hot in your show case pictures!
2) If thats "you" who took those? LOL

I'll be starting a national thread before long about BIG ASS BANNERS across pictutres and "Copy Rights". I hope photographers like your self get a lot of new business once that threAD gets started.

Thank you! Of course I took them.... I have a remote and years of practice..

Have a great weekend everyone!

[Still Looking]

Originally Posted by Megan Love

Thank you! Of course I took them.... I have a remote and years of practice..

Have a great weekend everyone!

Wow! Very nice!

[bcdstudios]

Originally Posted by Tracy Auburn

Bcdstudios, there is nothing offensive at all about your watermark or placement. This gent just likes to ruffle feathers and cause stinks where none exist.

I agree that he shouldn't have touched your photo, period. As someone who knows a little about graphic design, changing the size and placement or even removing it all together is quite simple if you have the originals. You do fine work, so don't let his criticisms get to you. Xo

Originally Posted by Laz

@BCD - Your watermark is placed where it is not a big problem. If I were to have my preference it could be a little smaller which would make it less obvious. I think it would still be seen if it was smaller but I am not an expert on this and it is not my business so this is just an opinion. I do think you do good work.

Originally Posted by Precious_b

Yeah. This guy has a documented history about placement and content on pictures on this site

Originally Posted by LilMynx69

It is usual and customary for a photographer to release the copyright is exchange for a fee, as BCD stated.

Legally, removing a copyright mark from a photo is STEALING and misappropriating another person's property for your our gain (monetary, notoriety, reputation, etc.). Legally, it's just plain wrong.

Originally Posted by Petruchio

What a shame. Artists and photographers all over the world have to deal with this. Some artists put a personal emblem embedded deep in the picture to combat the practice of shaving off a nameplate or signature.

The photographer deserves to have his emblem on the picture. It's his work, and saying it must be removed is unreasonable and puts the calender creator in the same category with those agencies and corporate interests who would exploit an artist's work. Not very good company.

Sure, this isn't for profit and is just for fun, but making such a rule is creating an unnecessary obstacle to getting the best final product. BCD is offering the photos, highly skilled and professional work, for free and only asks that his unobtrusive label be on it. It's ungrateful to complain about it.

Thank you all for the positive posts, PM's sent my way showing support and letting me know I am obviously not alone in this discussion. The art I create and the services I provide are not out of the ordinary and some people just don't respect an artist or their "rights" to work. If any of you travel through KC (on tour) feel free to PM me to have coffee, grab a beer or book a shoot with me - I'd be happy to stamp my insanely large offensive watermark on you! ;p

[Drop Dead Legs]

Originally Posted by bcdstudios

If any of you travel through KC (on tour) feel free to PM me to have coffee, grab a beer or book a shoot with me - I'd be happy to stamp my insanely large offensive watermark on you! ;p

No thanks, I don't want a large watermark fucking up the possibilities of me finding other artist to work with. Walking around with one of those would be like being branded like I was your property! We all know how that's gone over in America's past? You should be grateful that you got added exposure instead of being a fucking Prima Donna! How often are you showing your hooker shots? And to who are you showing them? How about the ladies who don't want their faces revealed? Are you making sure that you retain rights to show their facial images unblurred with your artistic rights?

In my opinion you have shown the ladies of this community exactly who they should be staying away from. Most are repulsed by the thought of having someone else pimping them out. I see no difference if their images are being pimped out by a photo pimp!

[Still Looking]

Originally Posted by bcdstudios

Thank you all for the positive posts, PM's sent my way showing support and letting me know I am obviously not alone in this discussion. The art I create and the services I provide are not out of the ordinary and some people just don't respect an artist or their "rights" to work. If any of you travel through KC (on tour) feel free to PM me to have coffee, grab a beer or book a shoot with me - I'd be happy to stamp my insanely large offensive watermark on you! ;p

BCD (BITCHY CAMERA GUY) Seems as thou you think you’re working for a major magazine like Playboy. Ahhhh you’re NOT! You started a bunch of shit and took a holiday project and made a big deal over your silly ass mater mark being removed. What a petty individual you are. Don't think for one moment I'm done with you and your lies and BS.

You talk your 'industry" bull shit but never address the simple issues brought forward by me. You talk out of both sides of your mouth and contradict yourself. Love the Global warming comment LOL You made a big deal out of someone trying to do something nice. As I stated before, I have the same PM'S and emails. All providers were to submit photos without photographer’s names on them. I explained this to you yet you insisted yours be put back on. It's as simple as that so the pictures were removed.

Then you act as if you have some secret BS via PM or email. You do NOT! You littered my thread with your nonsense in Kansas as well as this one. Trust me whatever little talent you might have is overshadowed by how you do business.

And YES your water mark is OFFENSIVE. A discreet "BCD" placed on pictures would... how did you put it?.... Give you credit. But nooooooo..... you need to display your awesomeness by being ..

BCDSTUDIOS(Use loud thunderous voice!)

Yes BCD studios...able to leap tall couches in a single bound (With or without his pants we're still not sure!). Able to turn on lights on with the flip of a switch. And who disguised as a petty little wantabe takes hot chicks and plasters gigantic banners across their pictures, fights a never ending battle to get credit for every insignificant thing he does.

If you decide to use any thing I post as a marketing tool by all means go ahead. I won’t need any credit. But please remember…Vagina Triangle®, Hooker Whisper® and Slamdango® are registered trademarks. Hell SLAMDANGO is even in the urban dictionary. Check for yourself.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=slamdango