One of my biggest fears when hobbying.

[4karlos]

Originally Posted by DEAR_JOHN

Nobody really and truly knows. The indy who seems to be completely independent may have some deep secrets. I guess it's just a gut feeling based on a providers session and board posting history.

I do appreciate the fact you seem to care about this. Some guys who want 60 dollar pussy don't seem to give a shit whether they're there on their own free will or not.

You are right DJ, those careless guys are the ones creating the demand and sustaining that underworld, whether on the $60 diet or on the $1k splurge they are sick/nasty guys and hiding behind the curtain of ignorance is definitely not an excuse.

[4karlos]

Originally Posted by KatieKatieNYC

It is one of my biggest fears too, Karlos. I always, always wonder that. I see some girls and the red flags and my stomach drops. A lot of girls are coerced and manipulated into this too--pimps or "agencies". They are totally ok with it for a while then when they realize what is going on they are stuck. I have a friend in Vegas that this happened to. She can't leave.

Some legit agencies do this too by blackmailing you, by outing you or threatening to hurt you.

I also find it a bit sick, DJ, that guys have no problem seeing an addict.

Yup. Those situations are the ones I am referring to, and my concern is that frequently there isn't a real way for insuring that the chosen provider is 100% free of dark ties.

Thanks for your input babe :-)

[dearhunter]

When it happened to me it was an eye opener.........it changed everything about the way I hobby.......I do know it has never happened since.

[4karlos]

Originally Posted by AllisonofHouston

Herein lies the big problem , some guys dont care if she is being forced or some trafficked girl , as long as she lays on her back and does what they want it dosnt matter at all how she got there. If guys would stop supporting these low lives maybe it would stop..ijs it makes me sick, human trafficking should be a lifetime sentence to the trafficker...pieces of shit

+10
So agreeing with you!

Originally Posted by DarthMaul

My biggest fear is that some girl is underage!

That's why I try to stay at least 25 and up. Unless your name is Julie Cash.

Agreed - I usually aim high enough in age to not have doubts plus the conversation/connection gets more interesting.

Originally Posted by tbone77494

Both things - underage and forced - I want nothing to do with. I have never seen a lady and been concerned with either. I shoot for 25 and up based on reported age and looks, so I shouldn't be close to underage. I also avoid bp unless they show up on eccoe as well, and I never am the first one in on a new lady. Last, I totally avoid things like the Spring Branch apartments. I think LE is not really interested in busting two legal consenting adults. The busts I see seem to be targeting likely underage/forced which is why you pass on new girls from bp. They also hate spas located in residential strip malls. That is low hanging fruit to show the public they care.

Thanks for sharing

Originally Posted by torpedo69

Most likely if they are giving FS for $60 I dont care long the appt is there is something not right. If her rates are that low then either
A. she has a pimp and hardly sees a dime
B. she has caught something and is trying to make a quick buck before it gets out
C. she is under someones thumb and she is being forced and has no choice but work and doesnt see a thin cent.

Regardless of the reason if she is that cheap there is probably a reason for it and

RUN AWAY!!!!!!

A good rule of thumb but so many trafficked young boys and girls are on the hundreds $ and thousands $, so I guess it takes a bit more than just the low/cheap $60 threshold for insuring that I am not feeding the dark side.

Originally Posted by Hermosa

This is a truly sad situation. When guy's and women just see other human beings as something to use, this happens. I believe I was exposed to this twice and both times I just had to stop it. It haunted my thoughts for a long time. I am pretty committed to choosing older ladies with a track record. I also think it is a sad thing to see ladies who are in it to support a habit. Or the older ladies who become aware that there is just a limited time left to make money. They become more desperate and become easy pray to exploiters. These are things that make this hobby ugly. These are also the things that make LE group us in with all the evils of the sex trade. The guys that want little girls, little boys, always younger. It's good to not only fear those situations, I just hope we never stop caring about these victims.

Right on! Scary and concerning, I am glad to not be alone on this one.

[4karlos]

Originally Posted by dearhunter

When it happened to me it was an eye opener.........it changed everything about the way I hobby.......I do know it has never happened since.

Thanks for sharing but your comments triggers a must-ask question: Did you do anything about it? Reported it? Tried to help the girl?...something?

[dearhunter]

Report it to whom?

You are very naïve........I rarely discuss any aspect of how I hobby anymore.......I do not judge how anyone hobbies here.......do what is comfortable for you.

If you want to "help" something.......get a puppy......ijs

[KatieKatie]

Originally Posted by dearhunter

Report it to whom?

You are very naïve........I rarely discuss any aspect of how I hobby anymore.......I do not judge how anyone hobbies here.......do what is comfortable for you.

If you want to "help" something.......get a puppy......ijs

You mean rescue a puppy!

[4karlos]

Originally Posted by dearhunter

Report it to whom?

You are very naïve........I rarely discuss any aspect of how I hobby anymore.......I do not judge how anyone hobbies here.......do what is comfortable for you.

If you want to "help" something.......get a puppy......ijs

[rwksl]

I think the issue of human trafficking is way overblown. I have yet to read any reliable statistics on this issue. Most of the "information" we get about this topic comes from politicians, charities and media outlets exploiting the issue for their own gain.

[4karlos]

I have no doubt that LE, charities, NGO's and politicians exploit the issue in their benefits but that does not mean the issue does not exist or the number of cases is not alarmingly high.

Sources of reliable information are all over the place, but of course if you're not genuinely concerned by the issue you could just rule them out and/or classify them as part of the conspiracy, and that would include United Nations, Amnesty International, Rotary or any of the hundred of reputable organizations trying to put a dent on this unacceptable practice....or you could simply live in denial and say... naaah overblown issue.

So the measure of "overblown" is relative, some will probably not bother unless the issue affects millions, others will consider that one single soul living under slavery conditions, is one too many. I am definitely more inclined toward the latest group. I make sure that when I hobby i am not supporting or easing any of that crap.

Happy hobbying everyone!

[AllisonofHouston]

Originally Posted by 4karlos

others will consider that one single soul living under slavery conditions, is one too many.

Happy hobbying everyone!

+ 1

[dearhunter]

If you truly want to play "Captain Save a Whore", you better be ready and able to take it to its ultimate conclusion.......it will not be easy and it will not be cheap.

My recommendation is that you snuggle your paranoia and fuck the fat ugly whores.......if you half ass help a whore in this situation, you can get real people dead.

Be ready to reach out to protect her family.......be ready to look over your shoulder for some real bad people........remember that you just crossed a line into their world that makes you (and your family) fair game.

.........and to KatieKatie, I meant "get" just like I posted it........"rescue" is what fucktards do to hooktards........ijs

[rhino9]

Interesting thread..!
Based on comments, it certainly hits a nerve, or is an emotional issue for many on here.

I agree with most of what is said here, even if some of it is completely unrealistic.

Here are some basic facts.
1. Price has nothing to do with being enslaved...or sold here in America.
2. This practice is common in other countries...you must realize that and deal with it.
3. The demand is what keeps this market going...and it has been around since commerce.
4. Heed Dearhunter...do not get yourself or your family or the provider hurt by a thoughtless phone call.

To stop this, there is only 1 way...get to know them personally.
No enslaved person is free to meet you spontaneously...ask them to lunch or to meet with you for coffee... outside of the hobby.
If they do not...you still don't know anything about her...but that puts her in either the Anti-Social or CONTROLLED categories.
If she won't meet...don't ask why, she will only lie to you. JUST DROP IT...and her.

Yeah...not pretty and cuts into the hobby fun...puts a great burden on providers as well...
Rescuing a puppy is a lot of work also.
Or we can just ignore it...and this problem will continue.

Some final thoughts...

if you were going to capture some young woman and keep track of her family...even in another country...would you then relocate her or bring her here and price her out at low rates...or place her in the highest revenue group you could...?
Seems low rates would be contrary to the effort required...

Stats indicate that 60% of the women doing P4P in Houston are getting under 100 for the act...
They are, of course, not Pros, they are women working a hard 40/week and trying to keep their kids...or a MILF whose husband lost his job, or hit a bad problem...so they have a few guys that help them out each month to make ends meet.
These are the women being busted in clubs over drinks that we never hear about...no headlines there.
Court dockets indicate a majority of unorganized P4P going on...

Contrary to what the news says...few providers are really enslaved...pimped...yeah..for sure.
But they can go to a shelter any day they want and get in line. We can't help if they don't want it.

We should try to help those that really need it by not purchasing their product...and for those that don't want help...well....Can't fix stupid.
L8r
r9

[4karlos]

Originally Posted by rhino9

Interesting thread..!
Based on comments, it certainly hits a nerve, or is an emotional issue for many on here.

Yup and we can definitely see how a dirty conscience can make people act weird when questioned.


...Bottom line

Originally Posted by rhino9

We should try to help those that really need it by not purchasing their product...and for those that don't want help...well....Can't fix stupid.
L8r
r9

Thanks for your input.

[torpedo69]

Originally Posted by 4karlos

A good rule of thumb but so many trafficked young boys and girls are on the hundreds $ and thousands $, so I guess it takes a bit more than just the low/cheap $60 threshold for insuring that I am not feeding the dark side.

I am not saying that those are the only indicators just that if it is that cheap there is probably a problem. May not even be trafficking but something does not add up.