Provider's Rates: Self worth vs Perceived Value

[blowpop]

Originally Posted by OliviaHoward

As experienced as you claim to be, you should people don't change, and I'm no exception. I've never felt my rates were a reflection of my self worth, and I've also never liked grifters like you. So if you'll pardon me for saying this, you're game is over. Your goose is cooked. And your list is dead.

We all lnow your game. And these posts that ring of the good ole List of Nine and pre-grif dressdown don't help you or your image either. The tarnish, that presumably obscured the gleeming knight beneath, has been removed to instead reveal a to the core grifter that considers women valueless. Welcome to CB's and R9's world.

You're obsessed. And bitter. And more than a little unbalanced. Hopefully, some guys are into that.

[blowpop]

Originally Posted by BelleAustin

I wish I had found this thread before it derailed into no-man's land. But regardless, I feel entitled to share my opinion anyway.

It is always stated that hobbyist A will spend his hard earned dollars as he pleases - whether it be on a $100/hour provider or a $1500/hour provider. Generally speaking, the lower donation will lead to a higher demand therefore giving the lady a packed calendar. She will likely make just as much as her HDH counterpart, but will have to work twice as hard.

Now, the female in the higher dollar range will (generally) not book as many appointments as her lower dollar sister. Simply because gentleman, such as yourself, are hesitant to invest their money in a higher-risk stock - higher risk meaning hobbyist A doesn't understand that value that may be associated with this particular provider.

I have placed my "rates" in the higher echelon category (and yes, I am new here but let's not throw THAT in my face just yet. Believe it or not, I know what I'm talking about ) ; I look at each of my encounters as an experience. I am not the kind of female that opens her door and drops her panties immediately because I am "just so wet and ready to see you". No. I like being a provider because it provides ME with a level of secret intimacy that I don't find in my personal life. So, on that note, I ask for a donation that attracts gentleman of a similar interest. Individuals that also prefer experience dining and can appreciate and engage in banter, conversation, wine - hedonism - etc. The man hunting for the $100 quickie will not mesh well with my personality so I don't cater to his needs. Does this make me right? Does this make YOU right? That would be a matter of opinion, not fact. And we can fight until Armageddon on whose opinion is "right".

So in sum, this entire debate is open to interpretation. I think it is also important to keep in mind that high-posting individuals on this site are only a small percentage of the community as a whole. While you (you that prefers lower-dollar appointments) may have your own opinions and convictions, that does not mean that there isn't a brigade of men, hiding in the shadows, that savors and seeks out the higher-dollar experiences.

Nice post. You hit on a key fact that many here seem to forget: There is no "right" way to hobby - either as a client or a provider. As long as you treat others with respect, do business the way that works best for you.

It's not a bad idea to listen to the suggestions that others make, but don't forget that most folks have a personal agenda that colors their advice... especially the ones who loudly proclaim that they don't.

[Wakeup]

Oh, there's a right way alright...my way...the rest of you bitches are wrong as two left shoes...

[Guest050715-1]

Originally Posted by blowpop

You're obsessed. And bitter. And more than a little unbalanced. Hopefully, some guys are into that.

Why is it that when people like you have no argument they say things like this? I'd think that you'd have at least a little bit of decorum and abandon the sticht.

You're a negotiator, a shoplifter and you market yourself as a whore.
http://www.eccie.net/showpost.php?p=...6&postcount=69

[Guest070818-1]

Originally Posted by Luxury Daphne

I have been seeing an acupuncturist for an old back injury that I had that's bothering more and more lately. While on a natural medicine site, I saw this article. I thought in a lot of ways, it mimicked some of the issues providers come across when figuring out a rate structure. This may also tie in to some of the other fiscal matters that we discuss here, such as specials, discounts, guys shorting, etc.

Ladies, do you feel like your self esteem or self worth is tethered to your rates? or do you charge according to what you feel your perceived value is? Is your rate a combined total of every activity that you offer.

Please, let us reason together.

My self-esteem has nothing to do with me being a provider. Income is income. If my self-esteem was high, then I wouldn't be a provider. Surely, there are women out there who have made money without ever having to be on their back. I'm not saying I have low self-esteem because I don't highly of myself, but if that was the case, every regular mom and pop business out there would be charging unrealistic rates for pretty common service.

But hey,...

I feel like a million dollars even though its not in my pocket.

God's honest truth, pussy has no value. Its priceless and worthless. I have never seen vagina on the black market, so I couldn't tell you the cost even if there was one. I am selling an experience here, not my pussy.

Now, however much one charges or buys is their own business. There are hobbyists on here that spend little or nothing for a good time. Luckily, for them, there are providers here that cater to their needs. Likewise, there are gentlemen here who pay hundreds for conversation and companionship, and likewise, there are providers for them as well.

I can't tell anyone how to spend their money, especially if they have no intention on spending it on me.

[lostincypress]

Very insightful.

[VIP Mya Michelle]

WoW, What a thread....

[willdooit]

I don`t agree with your determination of O.H. First off I never have perceived her as bitter maybe towards haters, and as far as unbalanced you`re wrong there, she is very astute in finances and, yes she has her shit together. Plus she has a wicked sense of humor and absolutely gorgeous. Yes I`m into that kind of person.

Originally Posted by blowpop

You're obsessed. And bitter. And more than a little unbalanced. Hopefully, some guys are into that.

[BatteriesNotIncluded]

Originally Posted by brownsugarbaby

My self-esteem has nothing to do with me being a provider. Income is income. If my self-esteem was high, then I wouldn't be a provider. Surely, there are women out there who have made money without ever having to be on their back.I'm not saying I have low self-esteem because I don't highly of myself, but if that was the case, every regular mom and pop business out there would be chargingunrealistic rates for pretty common service.

But hey,...

I feel like a million dollars even though its not in my pocket.

God's honest truth, pussy has no value. Its priceless and worthless. I have never seen vagina on the black market, so I couldn't tell you the cost even if there was one. I am selling an experience here, not my pussy.

Now, however much one charges or buys is their own business. There are hobbyists on here that spend little or nothing for a good time. Luckily, for them, there are providers here that cater to their needs. Likewise, there are gentlemen here who pay hundreds for conversation and companionship, and likewise, there are providers for them as well.

I can't tell anyone how to spend their money, especially if they have no intention on spending it on me.

This woman has wisdom far beyond her years...

And as much as I appreciate your posts, OH, you are starting to sound a tad bitter. From one retired individual to another

[Guest121624]

Originally Posted by OliviaHoward

Why is it that when people like you have no argument they say things like this? I'd think that you'd have at least a little bit of decorum and abandon the sticht.

You're a negotiator, a shoplifter and you market yourself as a whore.
http://www.eccie.net/showpost.php?p=...6&postcount=69

Olivia, please, since you are no holds barred toward people you don't like, and BNI has reiterrated what I said in another thread, what is it I did, or said, to you, or in your company, that made you and I go from good acquaintances, to the cold shoulder and my being a grifter. I don't mind everyone knowing, while I learn myself, especially when I sincerely liked you. Every time socially, I heard you telling guys about your home, property, former job, ex, etc. What you need to maintain a lifestyle you've become accustomed to, I can understand. Calling me, or anyone else a grifter cause I can't afford to pay the rate to keep you in a lifestyle you now expect is not my fault. Breaking my neck and wanting to see you is. So I ask again, what did I do or say, since this change became long before I sent you a pm asking if you'd like to go to a concert.

[Wakeup]

:facepalm:

It just gets worse...

[lostincypress]

[Guest050715-1]

Originally Posted by BatteriesNotIncluded

This woman has wisdom far beyond her years...

And as much as I appreciate your posts, OH, you are starting to sound a tad bitter. From one retired individual to another

This is the second time, that I know of, that you've mentioned "from one retired individual to another". Interesting.

Willingtodoit, Muah! It's a natural and common defensive stratagy to attack you oponont without regard to the merits when one has no or has lost the argument, has lost control of the situation or both. In this case both, they just don't know it yet.

[blowpop]

Originally Posted by OliviaHoward

Why is it that when people like you have no argument they say things like this? I'd think that you'd have at least a little bit of decorum and abandon the sticht.

Olivia, I tried to discuss the issues with you. You dismissed everything I said, choosing to side with the account of someone who'd pulled the same scam on numerous guys at numerous parties.

In your world, I'm a bad person for not falling for her routine. Apparently you prefer the company of those without a backbone.

Originally Posted by OliviaHoward

You're a negotiator, a shoplifter and you market yourself as a whore.
http://www.eccie.net/showpost.php?p=...6&postcount=69

You're obsessed, bitter, and apparently rather angry.

Is it because I never attended one of the parties you kept inviting me to?

[Mojojo]

Blowpop and Olivia you two can discuss your differences via pm, but keep it there. Please get back on topic