Provider's Rates: Self worth vs Perceived Value

[spear88]

Glynette, you sound like a sweet, intelligent lady with a desire to be the best at whatever you do. I really need to see you sometime.

As for your question of what is it that gets a client to pick a girl. In my case I do my homework. First pictures are important because I like a wide variety of women but there are certain things, certain looks that really set me off.

Second I look at the pricing. There are a lot of providers I would like to see, but I am a working class stiff and can only get up a little hobby money maybe twice a month. So the expensive ones are out of the question.

Next comes the reviews, it is rare that I see a lady whom I have not read at least 6 or 7 reviews. That is because every experience is different and only with a variety can I get a real feel for the provider.

As far as an ATF, there are a few who would qualify but in my case I am still finding it very exciting to see someone new each time. (or almost each time). But if there was a provider I liked who was nearby then I would probably see her a lot.

[enderwiggin]

Page 7 and I've gleaned only two things from this slow-rolling train wreck:

1. Most hobbyists have no fucking idea what they're talking about when they start arguing with providers about hobby economics. This is a pastime for us; it's their livelihood to them. Before any of you start doling out self-serving advice about "lowering their rates to respond to market blah blah blah", keep that in mind, think it over and then just shut the fuck up. If you don't like a providers rates, move on. These tedious arguments with ad nauseum rationalizations about why your offer to pay her a fraction of her rate because you think you're special are just plain dumb.

2. Providers have even less of a clue what they're talking about when it comes to their rates, but they at least do it with the knowledge of their tiny corner of the hooker world. Some are here as a career, some for some extra money, some to support a pimp... er, boyfriend, some because they get turned on slinging pussy for cash. It's even dumber when providers start doling out advice because inevitably they do it believing in their own expertise and vast wealth of experience.

Just stop already. Ladies will charge what they charge for whatever reason they want; Don't let anyone (especially broken down old whores convinced of their own special brand of genius) tell you why or how to do it. Guys should pay what they can afford; I know you really want to see that one HDH and if she'd only drop her rates to suit you then she'd get to know what a great client you are and you'd get grandfathered in, but you're not special, you're not influential enough to have any effect on her business and you're not doing anyone any favors by whining about it on the board.

If you find yourself listening to "advice" on a SHMB, you're too naive for the hobby. (Yes, I'm aware of the irony inherent in that last sentence. You're welcome.)

[jbravo_123]

Originally Posted by enderwiggin

1. Most hobbyists have no fucking idea what they're talking about when they start arguing with providers about hobby economics. This is a pastime for us; it's their livelihood to them. Before any of you start doling out self-serving advice about "lowering their rates to respond to market blah blah blah", keep that in mind, think it over and then just shut the fuck up. If you don't like a providers rates, move on. These tedious arguments with ad nauseum rationalizations about why your offer to pay her a fraction of her rate because you think you're special are just plain dumb.

But, but, but I might be in my 60's, but I'm super cut and have stamina to outlast any 20 year old. Plus, I've got a enormous horse cock and a magical tongue that instantaneously induces multiple orgasms in any female it touches. On top of that, I am thoughtful, sensitive, and kind, but at the same time, an absolute badass who fights off pimps with one hand and chokes out Chuck Norris with the other. I'm only doing this because my wife of 40 years is too old and fat now and I don't find her attractive anymore. I try to help her out by calling her names but it just doesn't seem to get her in the mood. Really, I'm such a catch that providers should be seeing me for free through the hordes of civvie women vying for my attention.

[Guest050715-1]

Originally Posted by jbravo_123

But, but, but I might be in my 60's, but I'm super cut and have stamina to outlast any 20 year old. Plus, I've got a enormous horse cock and a magical tongue that instantaneously induces multiple orgasms in any female it touches. On top of that, I am thoughtful, sensitive, and kind, but at the same time, an absolute badass who fights off pimps with one hand and chokes out Chuck Norris with the other. I'm only doing this because my wife of 40 years is too old and fat now and I don't find her attractive anymore. I try to help her out by calling her names but it just doesn't seem to get her in the mood. Really, I'm such a catch that providers should be seeing me for free through the hordes of civvie women vying for my attention.

And you'd be surprised. This is a very rare approach. Most men that write a detailed introduction such as this have the attitude as dh in his post. Just a good guy looking for whatever he's looking for when he contacts a lady. That's what I've been trying to drive home; it's the clients that will make or break your enjoyment of the demimonde. There are exceptions everywhere, but by and large, the best clients are at the higher end of rate spectrum.

Whether you're the "smartest guy in the room" or a lecher weighing in on what they think is the actual way a successful working lady runs her business or worse yet, their low opinion of who and what they are, at the end of day they are just expressing their overall distaste for people that work for a "wad of sweaty money" as I've heard it called. Women wanting to know how to run a successful business need to look at the business models of successful women working in the business.

[blowpop]

Originally Posted by YummyMarie

Someone didn't read my ad correctly and misquoted my rates...also they totally ignored the amount of time that went with the rates...

I did as OH has said before: decided what I needed to pay my bills and how much I wanted to make per appointment. My many repeat friends get my previous rates of course. They get all my gratitude for always being amazing company and supporting my business :-*

So far, so good...thanks OH!

YM, unless I didn't read your ad correctly, the minimum rate for a new visitor is 700, which is what I mentioned. What did I misquote? I certainly didn't mean to misrepresent anything.

[LordBeaverbrook]

Originally Posted by Eccie Addict

And "respect" or lack thereof is one of the reasons I would not post on an shmb if I were a provider.

But, respectfully, you aren't a provider and you seem to lack imagination (though not humor or hutzpah) so just as you would not post on an shmb if you were a provider, I wouldn't pay much attention to you if I were one (and I have imagination LOL).

Originally Posted by dearhunter

I am going to do something I seldom do.......write clearly.

I will not bargain/negotiate/beg for a reduced rate from a provider.......it has nothing to do with her math skills (stupid 30min rates vs 2hr rates).......it has nothing to do with determining whether she gives a BBBJ or MSOG.......it has everything to do with the fact that it is her body (not some inanimate object or 3rd person service) and I will not be responsible for determining a persons physical self worth......ijs

Good for you! I take a little different tack because while I agree it is important to show respect for a person's body and feelings about that body, I think perhaps more important is her and your time. I too don't usually bargain (though there are situations where something like an upsell comes into it and the provider seems to start way high where I see no other option than to just walk out wasting both our times and showing some disrespect IMHO or push back gently) but occasionally a gentle and reasonable suggestion may be met favorably. Once you have met and stripped down, the ladies have quite the upper hand if the terms of the session change and sometimes they use this leverage to the max in my experience.

If a provider I am interested in sets a rate that is more than I am willing to risk on an initial visit (since a major component for me is attitude, IOP and the apperance of interest), I will wait for a special. If we wind up interacting on the shmb, PMing or exchanging e-mails, then I may say that I don't usually see providers on an initial visit for more than a certain amount and I'll wait for a special. BTW, a special could be less $ or more time for me. I generally prefer the latter because if a lady likes to go 90 minutes or more, then she usually has a great attitude when in session. That leaves the provider open to say let's work something out or just let me wait. Seems to work well. I just don't like to waste my money (I'm saving and investing so I can increase my hobbying when I retire, maybe even acquire a harem or open a brothel in Pahrump - I just like saying Pahrump, don't you?) and I have an obsessive interest in getting good deals plus I'm spoiled with an SB. That is just me, but it is an approach that seems to work for me and as far as I can tell, the ladies that I see.

IMHO, there may be some providers who have a set fee and never take a dime less, but I'd guess in excess of 90% adjust for regulars/favorites and at certain times when they want or need to work. They have decided to be in this line of business and so they have made a decision on how they feel about sharing their bodies with strangers so some respectful back and forth about the rate isn't insulting to most and those that are insulted about it are probably just hypersensitive or don't really understand that this is a business. If you aren't an asshole about bargaining, you can probably get away with it as some very experienced hobbyists claim they do regularly. This may not be an approach unless you are an expert.

In my business clients always ask for money off my rate even though it is $100 an hour less than the rate my company charged for my services when I worked for them. I've had clients very forcefully suggest I work for them for far less than half my hourly rate and I just firmly say I don't need the business that badly right now or I'm already booked up, but could have moved things around for full rate. I don't get insulted because they may come back and really need me at some time when they can pay my full rate or close to it. They may also hire on at a company I want to do business with later (like a hobbyist getting a better job, his business turning around or coming into an inheritance and now being willing to see the $400/hr ladies regularly and tip $100). Admittedly, this is not my body in the same way as providers, but it is my time and my income/profession and both of those are quite valuable to me. Also, if clients are good to work with and enjoyable people I will often accept a lower hourly rate than I would with a difficult customer where the work would not be enjoyable. It makes a difference to me. Just sayin'

[blowpop]

Originally Posted by surcher

I always thought the same and was perplexed when we last met, socially, as to why I got a cold shoulder from her. Something had changed toward me on her part.

I'd heard good things about her in the past, but lately, not so much. People change.

[blowpop]

Glynette, that was a fantastic post. Smart girls are very sexy.

[JohnnyYanks]

Originally Posted by rhino9

...if a gent is short 10-20 for an hour session...

I certainly wouldn't tell anyone about it. How f_cking embarrassing.

[JohnnyYanks]

Originally Posted by blowpop

Glynette, that was a fantastic post. Smart girls are very sexy.

Indeed they are.

[Eccie Addict]

I know a couple that do quite well without posting here

Originally Posted by austxjr

But, respectfully, you aren't a provider and you seem to lack imagination (though not humor or hutzpah) so just as you would not post on an shmb if you were a provider, I wouldn't pay much attention to you if I were one (and I have imagination LOL).



Good for you! I take a little different tack because while I agree it is important to show respect for a person's body and feelings about that body, I think perhaps more important is her and your time. I too don't usually bargain (though there are situations where something like an upsell comes into it and the provider seems to start way high where I see no other option than to just walk out wasting both our times and showing some disrespect IMHO or push back gently) but occasionally a gentle and reasonable suggestion may be met favorably. Once you have met and stripped down, the ladies have quite the upper hand if the terms of the session change and sometimes they use this leverage to the max in my experience.

If a provider I am interested in sets a rate that is more than I am willing to risk on an initial visit (since a major component for me is attitude, IOP and the apperance of interest), I will wait for a special. If we wind up interacting on the shmb, PMing or exchanging e-mails, then I may say that I don't usually see providers on an initial visit for more than a certain amount and I'll wait for a special. BTW, a special could be less $ or more time for me. I generally prefer the latter because if a lady likes to go 90 minutes or more, then she usually has a great attitude when in session. That leaves the provider open to say let's work something out or just let me wait. Seems to work well. I just don't like to waste my money (I'm saving and investing so I can increase my hobbying when I retire, maybe even acquire a harem or open a brothel in Pahrump - I just like saying Pahrump, don't you?) and I have an obsessive interest in getting good deals plus I'm spoiled with an SB. That is just me, but it is an approach that seems to work for me and as far as I can tell, the ladies that I see.

IMHO, there may be some providers who have a set fee and never take a dime less, but I'd guess in excess of 90% adjust for regulars/favorites and at certain times when they want or need to work. They have decided to be in this line of business and so they have made a decision on how they feel about sharing their bodies with strangers so some respectful back and forth about the rate isn't insulting to most and those that are insulted about it are probably just hypersensitive or don't really understand that this is a business. If you aren't an asshole about bargaining, you can probably get away with it as some very experienced hobbyists claim they do regularly. This may not be an approach unless you are an expert.

In my business clients always ask for money off my rate even though it is $100 an hour less than the rate my company charged for my services when I worked for them. I've had clients very forcefully suggest I work for them for far less than half my hourly rate and I just firmly say I don't need the business that badly right now or I'm already booked up, but could have moved things around for full rate. I don't get insulted because they may come back and really need me at some time when they can pay my full rate or close to it. They may also hire on at a company I want to do business with later (like a hobbyist getting a better job, his business turning around or coming into an inheritance and now being willing to see the $400/hr ladies regularly and tip $100). Admittedly, this is not my body in the same way as providers, but it is my time and my income/profession and both of those are quite valuable to me. Also, if clients are good to work with and enjoyable people I will often accept a lower hourly rate than I would with a difficult customer where the work would not be enjoyable. It makes a difference to me. Just sayin'

[Guest050715-1]

Originally Posted by blowpop

I'd heard good things about her in the past, but lately, not so much. People change.

Originally Posted by blowpop

Glynette, that was a fantastic post. Smart girls are very sexy.

As experienced as you claim to be, you should people don't change, and I'm no exception. I've never felt my rates were a reflection of my self worth, and I've also never liked grifters like you. So if you'll pardon me for saying this, you're game is over. Your goose is cooked. And your list is dead.

We all lnow your game. And these posts that ring of the good ole List of Nine and pre-grif dressdown don't help you or your image either. The tarnish, that presumably obscured the gleeming knight beneath, has been removed to instead reveal a to the core grifter that considers women valueless. Welcome to CB's and R9's world.

[JESSE JAMES]

Deerhunter hit the nail on the head. THis thread has turned into a train wreck H e also was spot on why

"OLD broken down whores convinced of their own special brand of genius." The thread has now hit rock bottom with a venal unwarranted attack on Blowpop I CANT BELIEVE THE UNMITIGATED GALL OF SOME PEOPLE. The man is a eccie M.V.P.

In a down economy the man educates his fellow members on where the most economical B.J.s aroundl
What a cheap shot at a thought ful, considerate board member N ame calling ? Where is Wakeup when we need him?

Blowpop my man Don't pay any attention to this malicious calumny Just consider the source

[dearhunter]

As usual, some reach for the trees and settle for the bushes

[rhino9]

Originally Posted by OliviaHoward

As experienced as you claim to be, you should people don't change, and I'm no exception. I've never felt my rates were a reflection of my self worth, and I've also never liked grifters like you. So if you'll pardon me for saying this, you're game is over. Your goose is cooked. And your list is dead.

We all lnow your game. And these posts that ring of the good ole List of Nine and pre-grif dressdown don't help you or your image either. The tarnish, that presumably obscured the gleeming knight beneath, has been removed to instead reveal a to the core grifter that considers women valueless. Welcome to CB's and R9's world.

Thank you for your clear concise perception of life...
You may find it is more entertaining if one does not generate untrue, hateful ideas of others. Particularly if your position in the dispute with that person is factually or logically unsustainable.
Knowing Blowpop personally, I would not believe he would be a thief/grifter any more than I would believe that you were a Jesuit priest.

Regardless of what you think...it is not about ripping off the lady of interest. None of us consider women to be valueless...
We may have some disagreement with the value YOU assign...try to remember that price is set by what the market will pay for an item...not what the items mommy thinks it is worth.

One irrefutable fact you might consider when writing these rants is that hobbiests like CB, Blowpop, Satin and I were doing the exact same thing years before you were a "working" girl...and have helped many ladies throught some very hard times.

And it seems likely we (and others that use the hobbying methods written years ago) will be doing the same thing long after you exit the scene.

The end of the conversation is always the same.
The people with the money will buy what they want and will set the rules and terms as they wish...or they will not buy from vendors who disagree.
NOTE: There is no pussy shortage in Houston...I know thats a news flash for you.

The people with the services will provide them "for the client" and will try to get the best arrangement that can be had.

It seems a shame to hear you so upset about these issues.
It has always been this way and it has nothing to do with male/female or hobby issues.

Wishing you all the best.
L8r
r9