UTR: Pros in sheep's clothing....Deceptive?

[guest010313]

Originally Posted by Crash Davis

Lilanna I completely agree with you on this. I'm sure ladies in this profession do have a difficult time with free time etc. I don't have much free time in my line of work either thus why I hobby (single also), I've tried the SB/SD sites and what does drive me crazy is you find someone who is attractive and you exchange a few emails then only to find out they want to skip dinner and come right over....ding ding the gig is up she is P4P and I've wasted my time. If I want P4P I will use those sources such as Eccie, P411 etc. That way I can see reviews and know I'm not going to get ripped off of both my time and money.

My experience is the exact opposite lol. Once I decline to send to nude pics or ask about what plans he has (that NEVER include actually doing something) it's over.

The good ones...........the good ones are great. They make a plan, we have a meal, we talktalktalk. Taking me shopping is fine but I'd rather go ice skating.

[guest010313]

Originally Posted by gigi_gypsy

I too have something that I would consider a SD/SB relationship. It slowly took a year from him being a once a month client (paying my package rates) into what it is now (twice a month overnights with fine dining, theater, concerts, and more while he is helping me with a few bills-nothing like I charge for my packages on my website). He doesn't expect me to be exclusive. If I could find 2-3 more relationships like this, I wouldn't offer the hourly companionship that I now do.

Exactly. I have a weekly guy that I really, really like right now. Today is theoretically the first time we are transitioning from go over to his place, play, eat, play, then leave. It can be weird to broker these deals sometimes. I never offer them to men I don't adore, but making sure that they understand how genuine my feelings are while still getting the business side negotiated.....

[Gotyour6]

So you get on a non hobby site saying you got ass. Then you talk and get him to pay to fuck.

Lol

HOOKERS CAN'T BE A SUGAR BABY

Get over it. It will never happen

You are in it for the money and thats it.

You don't want to hang with them, you want money for sex.

A real sugar daddy will see you coming a mile away.
If you are looking for someone that wants a hooker on retainer you go for it.

[guest010313]

I think somebody doesn't offer the complete package.

[Gotyour6]

If you are talking about me you couldn't be more wrong

[guest010313]

If you don't believe that hookers have feelings then I'm totally on the mark.

[PhantomofTheOpera]

Originally Posted by ArisRose

I wouldn't use a real dating site for P4P.
Now if I'm on a real dating site & you contact me and make it clear up front that you are married or just looking for some ass..........I'm going to ask you to pay a bill.

Am I to assume that because I want some money that my interest in a married man is not real?

To your first statement, the guy doing that would usually be in breach of the TOS for the site, but that varies since outside of Ashley Madison, most sites require people to not be married if they are participating on the sites.

To your question, I doubt you will like my answer but here it is: No, your interest is not real but self-serving. A real interest is one where it is genuine, not motivated by anything outside of personal taste. In your scenario above, you are "into" him because he has cash that you want, and nothing more. You may convince yourself that you are *really* "into" him but that is a personal deception since he is taken, as he is married. He has other obligations that he should attend to before you are even a thought in his head, but like so many, that is why hooking/cheating/etc has been in existance since there were two genders.

[ArisRose]

Alright, time to step forward with this topic.

The 4th purpose of finding a UTR or SB girl is well..........y'all know in civie relationships folks don't use condoms right.



Apparently if she is young and innocent and trying to better herself and in college and just looking for some "help" and per anonymous hobbyist "hasn't been around the block like a provider has", the SD can expect her to be a pretty safe choice for barebacking without bringing an STD back to the wife. Besides, if it's a real relationship then you don't have to use condoms.

It tends to be an expectation of married guys. Especially older ones who have had a vasectomy ("dont worry you won't get pregnant"). I've never had an issue with negotiating condom usage and have never caved under pressure to not use one. You can never trust what people do behind closed doors.

[4thLvlCleric]

I'm divorced. If I'm on a dating site and my profile says "long term relationship" or "marriage" then if you were only looking to provide P4P, that would be deceptive. OTH, if I were married, that implies a short term relationship without any commitment. Such a married man better damn well expect to pay, one way or another, for attention, i.e. dinner, theater, presents, or help with the bills. Not mentioning that you were a pro with set rates would, I think, be OK as long as you don't hit him with "I need $$$ for tomorrow". If you're going to ask for $$$, then let him know up front that you're P4P.

[ArisRose]

Originally Posted by Gotyour6

So you get on a non hobby site saying you got ass. Then you talk and get him to pay to fuck.

Lol

HOOKERS CAN'T BE A SUGAR BABY

Get over it. It will never happen

You are in it for the money and thats it.

You don't want to hang with them, you want money for sex.

A real sugar daddy will see you coming a mile away.
If you are looking for someone that wants a hooker on retainer you go for it.

I'm not trying to be a sugarbaby. I'm trying to get a bill paid.
Big difference.

Yes I'm in it for the money.
And no I will not devote time to a married man who has other obligations to his wife who does not fuck him and who will always put me on the bottom of the totem pole, without cash compensation.

[PhantomofTheOpera]

Originally Posted by Tatiana M.

I don't consider it deceptive....as long as your being completely honest with what you do. I certainy dont think it's wrong for a provider to join a Sugar Daddy site, if your willing to take the time to be a Sugar Baby AND be honest about your "addictional" endeavors as an escort. But heres the thing, these guys consider it deceptive because they are on a Sugar Daddy site looking for a Sugar Baby. If they wanted a provider, they would come to Eccie or some other Hobbyist Board. And I agree with what Lilianna says. I believe Sugar Babies are really escorts, but they need to be labeled "Sugar Baby" as a morality bubble. Some people need labels. At the end of the day, if you P4P you still P4P.

Wrong on so many levels but carry on in thinking what you do. It is deceptive for a provider to get on a site like Match.com. ChristianMingle.com, etc. and ply her trade. If you don't see that then there is nothing to discuss. BTW, I am not on either a SD/SB or dating site, so your generalization fails there as well.

I will agree that some SB's are using a euphemism to avoid being called what they really are which is: call girl, hooker, provider, etc. However, a real SB is a mistress, and as a mistress she cannot have two masters. I believe my last point is what Gotyour6 was implying in his post.

The problem I see, in the positions of the women(OP not included) who have posted in this thread is that their approach to a SD/SB relationship is not what it really is, and that is due to the bias they have. Namely, booty for pay which sets them apart from what the majority of SB's are doing. Of course, this thread has deviated from providers being on non-P4P to SD/SB, but such is life I suppose.

[Guest071313-5]

Originally Posted by ArisRose

the SD can expect her to be a pretty safe choice for barebacking without bringing an STD back to the wife.

I ain't BB even my SB.

Originally Posted by Gotyour6

A real sugar daddy will see you coming a mile away..

That's exactly right.


I still say its just savvy business if your just in it for the Money Rose.

[guest010313]

Originally Posted by PhantomofTheOpera

Wrong on so many levels but carry on in thinking what you do. It is deceptive for a provider to get on a site like Match.com. ChristianMingle.com, etc. and ply her trade. If you don't see that then there is nothing to discuss. BTW, I am not on either a SD/SB or dating site, so your generalization fails there as well.

I will agree that some SB's are using a euphemism to avoid being called what they really are which is: call girl, hooker, provider, etc. However, a real SB is a mistress, and as a mistress she cannot have two masters; I believe my last point is what Gotyour6 was implying in his post.

The problem I see, in the positions of the women who have posted in this thread is that their approach to a SD/SB relationship is not what is really is, and that is due to the bias they have. Namely, booty for pay which sets them apart from what the majority of SB's are doing. Of course, this thread has deviated from providers being on non-P4P to SD/SB, but such is life I suppose.

That's your fucking problem right there.

[gigi_gypsy]

I am getting confused.

I assumed that SD/SB relationships involved some sort of exchange of money for time spent together. I see many mentioning there is helping with bills.

So is the debate between a pro and a SB the rate and how long of time is spent together?

Ultimately both pros and SB are p4p.

Oh and the so call exclusivity - I am sure some are, some say they are, and well...

[guest010313]

And it case it wasn't clear.

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