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Originally Posted by Doove
All your bitching, Rooster, and not one sentence out of you on how assault weapons (under whatever definition) are necessary for anything. Not for self defense. Not for hunting. Nothing. Hell, you've spent more time bitching about how the term "assault weapon" is used than you have defending the need to have assault weapons.
Not good enough.
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Shit, I was really hoping you weren't gonna bother any more, doove.
Ya' need to go back and read my post just before yours.
MILLIONS of people use the guns that you say are okay to call "assault weapons." And for the reasons I said. Mostly target shooting. And hunting too. More all the time. Really. They do. I'm not making it up, nor am I exaggerating.
Let's look at it another way.... things change right? Especially consumer goods. Televisions, computers, cars.... you name it. They all evolve.
Guns are the same. Look at a typical hunting rifle or target rifle from 30 or more years ago. It is made of wood - a material that is heavy, easily damaged, and not stable in extremes of humidity and temperature. There is no easy way to carry it (more people have probably been killed by dropping a gun or bumping it against something than in all of the mass murders combined).
Now let's look at the "popular" gun I mentioned - the AR-15. The stock is made of plastic polymer. It's cheap, it is immune to most environmental conditions, and it is light-weight. And.... as a bonus!... it has a handle! It may seem trivial to you, but it is an amazing convenience. And adds greatly to the safety and comfort of carrying it in the field or at the range.
These guns... especially this one I am speaking of (and it IS the most popular of the type, I assure you)... are nothing more than an updated consumer product to most of us. Millions of us.
And to all of this, you say "so what?" to only "assault weapons" being banned? Millions have an issue with that.
I assure you that I am resorting to no "trickery" when I compare these weapons to a common shotgun. I am an experienced shooter with firearms of all types. But I am NOT professionally trained, I have no military background, and I have never practiced nor drilled for any kind of use against human beings in any situation (even defensively). But I can tell you that I could do FAR more damage with a $250 pump shotgun from Walmart than a similarly skilled person could do with an AR-15 in 10 minutes. And with no increased risk of intervention. No one would be able to get to me.
The shotgun is a superb close quarters weapon. The AR-15 is not. It is a rifle. It has to be aimed with reasonable accuracy. A shotgun does not. Each round from a shotgun is orders of magnitude more powerful, and it covers a broad area. It is basically a portable cannon. You obviously have little to no experience in this area. You would be amazed.
There are limitations to what I said, of course. But not in most situations... like in a fucking Elementary school. And all of these mass killings are similar in many respects.
Also, notice that I said
AR-15, not
M-16 (what you said). Why? Because the M-16 is an automatic weapon! You can't fucking get one! The Connecticut guy sure didn't have one.
Soooo... you confused a popular, low-powered semi-automatic CIVILIAN weapon with a machine gun. Do ya' think that just
maybe I might have a point about this whole "mis-information" and "misunderstanding" thing? Your ignorance and confusion about this is pretty much helping me make my original point! Cool!
But I don't care about making a point with you any more after this post. I have to say that after this debate, I have gone from a cautious (very cautious) admirer of yours to someone who thinks you are kind of a jerk. It may seem cheap for me to go there after all of this, but I don't care. Your whole attitude just blows. Comments you make like the one about "whacking off" while staring at a gun rack and your characterizations of millions of people as a bunch of insensitive, simplistic morons are only designed to offend. Fortunately, there are many here who seem to realize that.
Oh... and BTW.... that whole little side discussion we are having about whether or not the word "data" is plural? That was intended as an inside joke between you and me! A heavily disguised attempt to say behind the scenes "it's okay, brother, we all have the same interests at heart when it comes down to it." I challenge you to figure out where I got it from and who I am referencing when I say "mutual friends." I cannot believe that you turned that on me in the smarmy, condescending way that you have tried to do. I may have been a bit vague, but I expected more from you there. Shoulda known....
Tell your friends this, if you actually have any. The discussion between us on this is over. Probably on most other things to. Post to your heart's content.
