Connecticut Elementary School.

[GP]

Originally Posted by Doove

http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/scott.asp

I would argue that relying on a non-existent sky fairy to solve our problems will ultimately solve nothing.

Damn, and I usually check these things at snopes before I post. Still makes for a good read.

[Doove]

Originally Posted by GP

You must not have much knowledge of handguns. Five minutes with ANY weapon, even a revolver, could easily slaughter a lot more than twenty people if they are unarmed sitting sucks.

If the circumstances are right, you could kill 20 people in 5 minutes with an ice-pick. So what's your point?

[GP]

That is my point.

[Doove]

Originally Posted by GP

I wonder how many people here have actually shot the types of weapons in the pics. I know I have. They are no different than a hunting rifle with a magazine.

No different than a hunting rifle with a magazine.

In other words, they're pretty substantially different.

[GP]

Originally Posted by Doove

No different than a hunting rifle with a magazine.

In other words, they're pretty substantially different.

Your ignorance is really coming to light on this subject. MANY hunting rifles have magazines. I happen to own quite a few.

[Doove]

Originally Posted by GP

Your ignorance is really coming to light on this subject. MANY hunting rifles have magazines. I happen to own quite a few.

And all magazines are made equal i suppose, too, also.

[GP]

Have you ever fired an automatic weapon? From the sounds of it, I don't think so.

Trust me, you will do more damage pulling the trigger one time for every round that leaves the end of the barrel. People have these notions that large magazines in weapons on full automatic are going to cause all of this carnage. About the only thing they do is make a lot more noise and cause you to have to reload more often. But they are impressive, especially in the movies!

[JohnnyCap]

I'm not anti-religion. But it is interesting to bring it into this context, for, other than pussy and money, what's caused more bloodshed than religion? Generally speaking, religion isn't a way to peace, but a justification of violence. "Thou shall not hurt anyone, unless they are evil."

[Doove]

Originally Posted by GP

Trust me,

I think we're way beyond the point of that ever happening.

[GP]

Originally Posted by Doove

I think we're way beyond the point of that ever happening.

Way to keep a conversation on point and flowing nicely!

[Doove]

Originally Posted by JohnnyCap

Mental health mixed with violent TV and violent video games, where you get online to kill. I can't believe how little that is mentioned.

And let's not forget the role guns play in allowing people to thump their chest and feel macho.

[AlbanyBlonde]

Originally Posted by GP

Well worth the read - COLUMBINE STUDENT'S FATHER 12 YEARS LATER !! Guess our national leaders didn't expect this. On Thursday, Darrell Scott, the father of Rachel Scott, a victim of the Columbine High School shootings in Littleton, Colorado, was invited to address the House Judiciary Committee's subcommittee. What he said to our national leaders during this special session of Congress was painfully truthful.

They were not prepared for what he was to say, nor was it received well. It needs to be heard by every parent, every teacher, every politician, every sociologist, every psychologist, and every so-called expert! These courageous words spoken by Darrell Scott are powerful, penetrating, and deeply personal. There is no doubt that God sent this man as a voice crying in the wilderness.. The following is a portion of the transcript:

"Since the dawn of creation there has been both good &evil in the hearts of men and women. We all contain the seeds of kindness or the seeds of violence. The death of my wonderful daughter, Rachel Joy Scott, and the deaths of that heroic teacher, and the other eleven children who died must not be in vain. Their blood cries out for answers.

"The first recorded act of violence was when Cain slew his brother Abel out in the field. The villain was not the club he used.. Neither was it the NCA, the National Club Association. The true killer was Cain, and the reason for the murder could only be found in Cain's heart.

"In the days that followed the Columbine tragedy, I was amazed at how quickly fingers began to be pointed at groups such as the NRA. I am not a member of the NRA. I am not a hunter. I do not even own a gun. I am not here to represent or defend the NRA - because I don't believe that they are responsible for my daughter's death. Therefore I do not believe that they need to be defended. If I believed they had anything to do with Rachel's murder I would be their strongest opponent

I am here today to declare that Columbine was not just a tragedy -- it was a spiritual event that should be forcing us to look at where the real blame lies! Much of the blame lies here in this room. Much of the blame lies behind the pointing fingers of the accusers themselves. I wrote a poem just four nights ago that expresses my feelings best.

Your laws ignore our deepest needs,
Your words are empty air.
You've stripped away our heritage,
You've outlawed simple prayer.
Now gunshots fill our classrooms,
And precious children die.
You seek for answers everywhere,
And ask the question "Why?"
You regulate restrictive laws,
Through legislative creed.
And yet you fail to understand,
That God is what we need!

"Men and women are three-part beings. We all consist of body, mind, and spirit. When we refuse to acknowledge a third part of our make-up, we create a void that allows evil, prejudice, and hatred to rush in and wreak havoc. Spiritual presences were present within our educational systems for most of our nation's history. Many of our major colleges began as theological seminaries. This is a historical fact.
What has happened to us as a nation? We have refused to honor God, and in so doing, we open the doors to hatred and violence. And when something as terrible as Columbine's tragedy occurs -- politicians immediately look for a scapegoat such as the NRA. They immediately seek to pass more restrictive laws that contribute to erode away our personal and private liberties. We do not need more restrictive laws.
Eric and Dylan would not have been stopped by metal detectors. No amount of gun laws can stop someone who spends months planning this type of massacre. The real villain lies within our own hearts.

"As my son Craig lay under that table in the school library and saw his two friends murdered before his very eyes, he did not hesitate to pray in school. I defy any law or politician to deny him that right! I challenge every young person in America , and around the world, to realize that on April 20, 1999, at Columbine High School prayer was brought back to our schools. Do not let the many prayers offered by those students be in vain. Dare to move into the new millennium with a sacred disregard for legislation that violates your God-given right to communicate with Him.
To those of you who would point your finger at the NRA -- I give to you a sincere challenge.. Dare to examine your own heart before casting the first stone!
My daughter's death will not be in vain! The young people of this country will not allow that to happen!"
- Darrell Scott

I read this earlier on FB, and tried to copy, but couldn't using the FB App.
Absolutely amazing address to our failing politicians. The sad part is it falls on def ears.

[jackfengshui]

I have never handled a nuclear weapon myself, but I know what it can do to people, and I can form my opinion about its proliferation. Ditto assault weapons.

[JONBALLS]

its all suppose to go down this way

its already written down, hardly coincidence

[Doove]

Originally Posted by AlbanyBlonde

I read this earlier on FB, and tried to copy, but couldn't using the FB App.
Absolutely amazing address to our failing politicians. The sad part is it falls on def ears.

The guy, bless him for what he went through, but he puts more blame on Atheism than he does on guns.

That's just absurd.