Reply to Sapper, to avoid taking Schwarzer's thread off topic. About immigration.

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by texassapper

No the argument I am making is that there is zero reason for there to be any immigrants in the US now...legal or otherwise.

They aren't adding shit to our nation and they are actively killing American citizens. Its one of the FEW jobs the government has (to protect the life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness of the citizens) and it is failing miserably at it, because we are importing an entirely new electorate.

Originally Posted by Tiny

That's a recipe for mediocrity. We should encourage immigration of the skilled and the best and the brightest. Long term the US has averaged maybe 12% of the population being foreign born. It's higher now and was higher before 1930. It took a dive during the great depression and didn't rebound above 12% until roughly the year 2000.

Twelve percent's not a bad number. It's one of the reasons America is a dynamic, growing powerhouse, while Europe and Japan stagnate.

And yeah, the current number, around 15.5%, is probably too high. And too many are unskilled. We need people to work on farms and slaughterhouses and the like, but a guest worker program makes more sense for them.

Originally Posted by texassapper

On behalf of all Americans, I thank you for considering us mediocre.

Thats simply not true and Europe and Japans stagnation has nothing to do with their immigration policies. Hell if you don't think Europe has immigrants, you aren't keeping up on the news.. in the UK, those immigrants are gang raping their ********!

I don't believe Americans, Europeans or Japanese are mediocre. I was actually thinking about population growth and decline.

If the average birth rate is 2.1, the population of a country will remain stable. Here are birth rates per woman:

Native born Americans: 1.73
Europe: 1.5
Japan 1.2
China 1.1

Population is increasing in the USA because of immigration. It's decreasing in western Europe, Japan and China.

Eventually the population of the USA will overtake China's. It could happen in this century. More likely it will be the next century. To me, that's not a big deal, but I believe you're fearful of the USA becoming a second rate power, by the side of China.

The population of China is 4X that of the USA, and the Chinese are just as smart and hardworking as Americans. In the medium term it may just surpass the USA as the dominant world power. In the long term however, if the USA encourages immigration, there's a good chance it will have the strongest economy, and military if it so chooses, in the world.

Japan and Europe are relative has beens.

As to your point, yes, immigration of the best, the brightest and the skilled helps make America exceptional, and improves the prosperity of the country. Here are some statistics.

% of Fortune 500 company founders who are immigrants: 22%
% of Fortune 500 company founders who are children of immigrants: 24%
Doctors who are immigrants: 25%
Scientists and engineers who are immigrants: 19%
PhD scientists and engineers who are immigrants: 43%

NVIDIA, Alphabet (Google), and Tesla were all founded by immigrants. Those are the first, fourth, and eight largest companies in the world by market cap. All are bigger than the largest non-USA company, Taiwan Semiconductor. Do you want to cede that advantage, that comes from immigration, to countries like China?

[Yssup Rider]

This country was founded and settled by immigrants and refugees.

Not the extreme nationalists who drove them out of their homes.

Excellent post, Tiny.

[texassapper]

Originally Posted by Tiny

I don't believe Americans, Europeans or Japanese are mediocre. I was actually thinking about population growth and decline.

If the average birth rate is 2.1, the population of a country will remain stable. Here are birth rates per woman:

Native born Americans: 1.73
Europe: 1.5
Japan 1.2
blah blah blah.

I simply reject the premise of your argument. Sub replacement rate fertility levels is NOT the end of the world nor our way of life... importing a replacement population IS THEY VERY DEFINITION OF IT.

Automation, technology, government efforts to promote families and fertility can ALL be used to address population shortfalls without replacing the population or their culture.

But Leftists say the ONLY WAY is to mass import a new populace.... which makes sense...their goal is to destroy the culture of the US because it stands in the way of the revolution.

There is simply ZERO reason to import workers.

You mention some large companies ... the reason they are successful is the CULTURE of the United States. Those businesses would not have become what they are if they were in Somalia.

Its that CULTURE that H1Bs and unrestrained immigration threaten to swamp and destroy.

This is the fruit of moral and cultural relativism... that all cultures are equal and ones standards cannot be used to judge another culture.

Thats why we have female genital mutilation happening in America now.

[Precious_b]

Me wonders why the tejas digger has not replied. *smirk*

[texassapper]

Originally Posted by Precious_b

Me wonders why the tejas digger has not replied. *smirk*

Tell me you stay up late thinking about me without telling me you stay up late thinking about me...

[Precious_b]

Originally Posted by texassapper

Tell me you stay up late thinking about me without telling me you stay up late thinking about me...

Maybe like the OP here, who is probably feeling neglected

[Yssup Rider]

Originally Posted by texassapper

I simply reject the premise of your argument. Sub replacement rate fertility levels is NOT the end of the world nor our way of life... importing a replacement population IS THEY VERY DEFINITION OF IT.

Automation, technology, government efforts to promote families and fertility can ALL be used to address population shortfalls without replacing the population or their culture.

But Leftists say the ONLY WAY is to mass import a new populace.... which makes sense...their goal is to destroy the culture of the US because it stands in the way of the revolution.

There is simply ZERO reason to import workers.

You mention some large companies ... the reason they are successful is the CULTURE of the United States. Those businesses would not have become what they are if they were in Somalia.

Its that CULTURE that H1Bs and unrestrained immigration threaten to swamp and destroy.

This is the fruit of moral and cultural relativism... that all cultures are equal and ones standards cannot be used to judge another culture.

Thats why we have female genital mutilation happening in America now.

Jesus tapdancing Palamino! Where have we heard all this before???

You're fooling nobody, my friend.

LOLLING!

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by texassapper

I simply reject the premise of your argument. Sub replacement rate fertility levels is NOT the end of the world nor our way of life... importing a replacement population IS THEY VERY DEFINITION OF IT.

Automation, technology, government efforts to promote families and fertility can ALL be used to address population shortfalls without replacing the population or their culture.

But Leftists say the ONLY WAY is to mass import a new populace.... which makes sense...their goal is to destroy the culture of the US because it stands in the way of the revolution.

There is simply ZERO reason to import workers.

You mention some large companies ... the reason they are successful is the CULTURE of the United States. Those businesses would not have become what they are if they were in Somalia.

Its that CULTURE that H1Bs and unrestrained immigration threaten to swamp and destroy.

This is the fruit of moral and cultural relativism... that all cultures are equal and ones standards cannot be used to judge another culture.

Thats why we have female genital mutilation happening in America now.

President Trump agrees with me!

I’ve always liked the visas, I have always been in favor of the visas. That’s why we have them...I have many H-1B visas on my properties. I’ve been a believer in H-1B. I have used it many times. It’s a great program!

-- Donald J. Trump, in interview with New York Post



You can’t flood the country with tens of thousands, or hundreds of thousands, of foreign workers - Laura Ingraham

You also do have to bring in talent. - Donald J. Trump

The U.S. has plenty of talented people here - Laura Ingraham

No you don't. People have to learn. (Those like Laura Ingraham and Texas Sapper) are really, really smart (despite their opposition to skilled immigration.) They’re unbelievable patriots. But they just don’t understand our people need to be taught. - Donald J. Trump

Make America Great Again, with H-1B Visas!!!

[texassapper]

Originally Posted by Tiny

Make America Great Again, with H-1B Visas!!!

If you and H1Bs supporters really believed that, H1Bs would be barred from seeking permanent VISAs while in the US. Insures they don't come here and stay permanently. Chain migration is limited to immediate family only. No in Laws, no parents, you, spouse, children, full gaurdianship only. Everyone else is in the same line...

Guess who doesn't support that?

plot twist....

[Why_Yes_I_Do]

Originally Posted by texassapper

I simply reject the premise of your argument. Sub replacement rate fertility levels is NOT the end of the world nor our way of life... importing a replacement population IS THEY VERY DEFINITION OF IT...

Not that the rest of your reasoning (post) is anything but sound, but this part right here is the crux of the biscuit - IMMHO.

What a tiny mind might (did) point to is the fertility rate. There is about 45% of the child-possible female population that look to remain childless these days. There are a host of reasons, but the whole "pride/inclusion/wokey-tard" thing is a big part.

No, I'm not including childless, because they cannot get pregnant, men who are playing make believe women either. So that 45% could be higher if they are included. One the other hand, I suspect the number of cats that childless women have is on a meteoric rise.

The other relevant factor at play is the "sub-class" of characters, which a NH Congress critter recently characterized as: "We need someone to wipe our arses". But the problem is that the Left-Wing nuts cannot do a full repeat of the November 22, 1865 "Black Codes". The WSL did an article about it: The Democrats' Missing History, back in August 2008, but it's paywalled. There was a recent article that was published on the 160th anniversary of the original event: On This Day in 1865: Democrats Pass Nation’s First ‘Black Codes’ to Impose Near Slavery on African Americans. It certainly illuminates a long running dark cloud, perpetrated by the Left-Wing nuts of old.

So what to do? Welp... Open the doors (gates) wide and look the other way and pretend not to know nutt'n 'bout nutt'n. Yeah, that's the ticket. Just hang that hat on the 14th amendment hat rack along with all the other made up chite. Lawn care, babysitting, rising crime and trafficking - all in one fell swoop. And it's fully funded be ye olde, endless stream of: Other Peoples Money, i.e. taxpayer's dime.
What's not to luv?!?

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by Why_Yes_I_Do

Not that the rest of your reasoning (post) is anything but sound, but this part right here is the crux of the biscuit - IMMHO.

What a tiny mind might (did) point to is the fertility rate. There is about 45% of the child-possible female population that look to remain childless these days. There are a host of reasons, but the whole "pride/inclusion/wokey-tard" thing is a big part.

No, I'm not including childless, because they cannot get pregnant, men who are playing make believe women either. So that 45% could be higher if they are included. One the other hand, I suspect the number of cats that childless women have is on a meteoric rise.

The other relevant factor at play is the "sub-class" of characters, which a NH Congress critter recently characterized as: "We need someone to wipe our arses". But the problem is that the Left-Wing nuts cannot do a full repeat of the November 22, 1865 "Black Codes". The WSL did an article about it: The Democrats' Missing History, back in August 2008, but it's paywalled. There was a recent article that was published on the 160th anniversary of the original event: On This Day in 1865: Democrats Pass Nation’s First ‘Black Codes’ to Impose Near Slavery on African Americans. It certainly illuminates a long running dark cloud, perpetrated by the Left-Wing nuts of old.

So what to do? Welp... Open the doors (gates) wide and look the other way and pretend not to know nutt'n 'bout nutt'n. Yeah, that's the ticket. Just hang that hat on the 14th amendment hat rack along with all the other made up chite. Lawn care, babysitting, rising crime and trafficking - all in one fell swoop. And it's fully funded be ye olde, endless stream of: Other Peoples Money, i.e. taxpayer's dime.
What's not to luv?!?

The great advantage of having a Tiny mind is you have to focus. What does Democrat politicians' re-enslavement of blacks in 1865 have to do with fertility rates?

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by texassapper

If you and H1Bs supporters really believed that, H1Bs would be barred from seeking permanent VISAs while in the US. Insures they don't come here and stay permanently.

Now, thanks to president Trump, H-1B's are granted on merit. When a company has to pay a $100,000 fee for the visa, it's not going to recruit dumb asses from overseas. They should up the quota. And the rules should continue to allow for potential pathways to permanent citizenship for H-1B visa holders. They're the kind of people we want to stick around.

Originally Posted by texassapper

Chain migration is limited to immediate family only. No in Laws, no parents, you, spouse, children, full gaurdianship only. Everyone else is in the same line...

Agreed, 100%.

You appear to favor the Uganda Solution. And, figuratively speaking, you say you want the trains to run on time. You can't have both.

Back in the 1970's, the great leader Idi Amin Dada expelled all the Indians from Uganda. The economy went to shit.

What's going to happen when you expel 25% of the doctors, 19% of the scientists and engineers, 43% of the PhD scientists and engineers, and Elon Musk and Jensen Huang? In other words, when you expel all the immigrants? The trains won't run on time.

Please note the Tiny Solution, discussed above, would involve slowly reducing the foreign born population from 15.5% to 12%. That's around 10 million fewer foreign born people. The 12% would be the best and the brightest and the skilled and their spouses and children, who likely will also be bright and skilled. That may very well be along the lines of Trump's thinking -- what he knows is right, not what he says to feed the Steve Bannon / Laura Loomer base.

Originally Posted by texassapper

Guess who doesn't support that?

plot twist....

You and Laura Ingraham?

[texassapper]

Originally Posted by Tiny

Now, thanks to president Trump, H-1B's are granted on merit. When a company has to pay a $100,000 fee for the visa, it's not going to recruit dumb asses from overseas. They should up the quota. And the rules should continue to allow for potential pathways to permanent citizenship for H-1B visa holders. They're the kind of people we want to stick around.

The 100K ought to be a YEARLY fee. It is not. it's one time and doesn't apply to the H1Bs already here.

Originally Posted by Tiny

You appear to favor the Uganda Solution. And, figuratively speaking, you say you want the trains to run on time. You can't have both.

Back in the 1970's, the great leader Idi Amin Dada expelled all the Indians from Uganda. The economy went to shit.

You think the Patels are keeping America running? lol. I have to work with their code on the daily...trust me, we have Americans that can do the job better.

Originally Posted by Tiny

What's going to happen when you expel 25% of the doctors, 19% of the scientists and engineers, 43% of the PhD scientists and engineers, and Elon Musk and Jensen Huang? In other words, when you expel all the immigrants? The trains won't run on time.

You think Americans can't learn? Do you think a 4 year degree is required to code a proper RESTlet? There is NOTHING AND I MEAN NOTHING that a foreigner can do that an American can't.

Originally Posted by Tiny

Please note the Tiny Solution, discussed above, would involve slowly reducing the foreign born population from 15.5% to 12%. That's around 10 million fewer foreign born people. The 12% would be the best and the brightest and the skilled and their spouses and children, who likely will also be bright and skilled. That may very well be along the lines of Trump's thinking -- what he knows is right, not what he says to feed the Steve Bannon / Laura Loomer base.

No. The goal is zero...not 10%. if it's 10% it will never be hit... if it's 0...we can get it to 5%...

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by texassapper

The 100K ought to be a YEARLY fee. It is not. it's one time and doesn't apply to the H1Bs already here.



You think the Patels are keeping America running? lol. I have to work with their code on the daily...trust me, we have Americans that can do the job better.

You think Americans can't learn? Do you think a 4 year degree is required to code a proper RESTlet? There is NOTHING AND I MEAN NOTHING that a foreigner can do that an American can't.

No. The goal is zero...not 10%. if it's 10% it will never be hit... if it's 0...we can get it to 5%...

If not for the Patel's and the Singh's, I'd have no cardiologist, no gastroenterologist, no neurologist, and no Indian food. The closest WASP gastroenterologists in fact are 2-1/2 hours away. And if you get rid of the Indians they'd be overwhelmed.

Somebody, maybe Jacuzzme, said people will have to mow their own lawns after the Mexicans get deported. That's fine for him but why do the rest of us have to put up with that.

I live in a county where Trump won by about 60 percentage points. However if you get rid of our Patels and our Mexicans there will be hell to pay. Hispanics here in fact outnumber whites and they don't look kindly on having their relatives deported. Thank goodness they and the rest of us provided enough financial and voter support to Trump that the DHS hasn't unleashed ICE on us.

It won't be the end of the world if your daughter marries an Indian. You'll learn to love chicken tikka masala. And your chances of getting offed by a Muslim are less than dying from the COVID vaccine, if you reconsider and get it.

[texassapper]

Originally Posted by Tiny

If not for the Patel's and the Singh's, I'd have no cardiologist, no gastroenterologist, no neurologist, and no Indian food. The closest WASP gastroenterologists in fact are 2-1/2 hours away. And if you get rid of the Indians they'd be overwhelmed.

Somebody, maybe Jacuzzme, said people will have to mow their own lawns after the Mexicans get deported. That's fine for him but why do the rest of us have to put up with that.

I live in a county where Trump won by about 60 percentage points. However if you get rid of our Patels and our Mexicans there will be hell to pay. Hispanics here in fact outnumber whites and they don't look kindly on having their relatives deported. Thank goodness they and the rest of us provided enough financial and voter support to Trump that the DHS hasn't unleashed ICE on us.

It won't be the end of the world if your daughter marries an Indian. You'll learn to love chicken tikka masala. And your chances of getting offed by a Muslim are less than dying from the COVID vaccine, if you reconsider and get it.

LOL What did America do for Drs before we imported them from the subcontinent?

Why aren't we producing as many as we used to.... who is filling up our Med schools with foreigners? (hint its about the cash in higher ed)

I already love a good Chicken Tikka... It's Scottish anyway not Indian.

And no... my daughters won't marry Indians.. their mother would never countenance it. She despises their lack of tipping etiquette.

You're very laissez faire about your Nation and culture. I'd prefer if my kids have a world more like what I grew up in than what Mohatma Ghandi did.