Mob Mentality / Lynch Mobs / Crowd Hysteria

[Whispers]

Originally Posted by rockerrick

Of course buttons can be pushed, and how one responds can be very different.
Are you taking responses by all his handles into the scenario?
The other two were inflammatory in other alerts about him.
IMO a thief is a thief regardless of gender. That scenario is exactly why I joined Eccie. Would I like that thief's info? You bet I would.
What would I have done with the info? I don't know. I probably would let the police handle it.

My argument here is that it is NOT for any of us to decide.

Nor is it for any of us to dish out justice.....

Especially disproportionate justice.

Would it be fair to watch for his appearance on the board and when spotted to post links so that others can read of his prior activities and make their own judgements? Sure.....

I think cowards afraid of actually becoming involved tend to like the whole Lynch Mob Mentality.......

My idea of handling something like that is vastly different... I think people should have gathered the information in private, off the board,,,,,, and then one person should have approached the guy..... in private..... off the board and said...... LOOK.... IF you continue fuck people over like you have been than THIS is what COULD happen....... One on one..... I do not think the person doing so should do it from a position of anonymity........ I think that if a long standing member of this community approached someone off the board laying a scenario out to them of WHY they should cease and what COULD happen if they do not cease that the avg person would heed the warning......

That of course would require someone willing to stand alone against the person involved at that time.

[Windinhishair]

Whispers thank you for your clearly thought out perspective. You are proof positive that one can be an independent big picture thinker and STILL have the good of the Entire community in mind.

Nobody would have the balls to accuse you of being a sympathizer, minimalist or doubter for not rushing to push the detonate button when everyone (mob included) is in the proximity of the explosion.

Independent rational thought may not be highly appreciated by the loudest here but it certainly is refreshing to many others.

The problem certainly needs to be dealt with but you are absolutely correct in that there is an extremely dangerous precedent being set.
A precedent which is not being challenged due to fear of board reprisal or loss of popularity.

Again thank for your big picture mindset.

[Whispers]

Let's discuss some generalities please....

1) Is it ever allowable for the personal information of a member, sent to a provider for screening purposes, to be shared with male members of this community?

2) Is it ever allowable to post so much personal information about a member of this community that anyone with the tools to reverse search that information can determine exactly who that person is?

3) At what point does it become acceptable for a member to summarize and specifically describe to a mass of people actions they might take to destroy an individuals life providing all the needed material to them to know who that person is?

[Whispers]

Originally Posted by Windinhishair

Whispers thank you for your clearly thought out perspective. You are proof positive that one can be an independent big picture thinker and STILL have the good of the Entire community in mind.

I do believe that what is good for the community as a whole is being threatened by what has been allowed to be said to in that thread.

Nobody would have the balls to accuse you of being a sympathizer, minimalist or doubter for not rushing to push the detonate button when everyone (mob included) is in the proximity of the explosion.

Independent rational thought may not be highly appreciated by the loudest here but it certainly is refreshing to many others.

The psyco certainly needs to be dealt with but you are absolutely correct in that there is an extremely dangerous precedent being set.

I would suggest that terms such as "psycho" serve no purpose in this or the other thread as it is simply inflammatory and lacks any actual basis.

A precedent which is not being challenged due to fear of board reprisal or loss of popularity. Well..... It needs to be discussed.

Again thank for your big picture mindset.

I was asked for some advice on how to deal with the situation by one of the participants in the thread..... I suggested he contact me off the board to discuss ways to deal with someone.

I never heard from him.......

No matter what the intentional intentions of some may have been I believe the thread became a lot more about posturing and grandstanding as well as garnering the spotlight and popularity than it was about right and wrong.

I do believe there were wrongs committed and I do believe some action was required. I don't believe it should have involved the public spectacle presented.

I am not sure though I agree in the nature of the involvement of so many and I definitely disagree with any threats of, instructions on or actually outing someone on this board.

For the most part I believe what happened is the business of the Provider or Providers. They are said to be professionals and they should act and deal with their business in a Professional manner.

I do not believe this merited the level of involvement of others without actually availing themselves of what they had as a possibility...... If 1, 2 or 3 different ladies called the police and filed a complaint that they had been robbed it would have been properly dealt with off of this board.

[Whispers]

I have some work to do...... I will look in later and respond as needed...... I can imagine that at the moment some wagons are being circled......

Let's please take this to a discussion of actions and possible methods and not make it about individuals.

[Windinhishair]

Originally Posted by Whispers

Let's discuss some generalities please....

1) Is it ever allowable for the personal information of a member, sent to a provider for screening purposes, to be shared with male members of this community?

2) Is it ever allowable to post so much personal information about a member of this community that anyone with the tools to reverse search that information can determine exactly who that person is?

3) At what point does it become acceptable for a member to summarize and specifically describe to a mass of people actions they might take to destroy an individuals life providing all the needed material to them to know who that person is?

In other words is there ever a justification for trumping ECCIE guide lines?

The answer clearly lies in the question.

[rockerrick]

Originally Posted by Whispers

At the top of the Alert Section is a report from a member ripped off by a lady that a good bit is already available on.... Why not rally the MOB and start the process of outing her in the same manner as what we are discussing?

OK I've had time to look at the alert on the thieving provider, I did not comment because I did on the original report.

http://eccie.net/showpost.php?p=1056216485&postcount=5

[Whispers]

Originally Posted by rockerrick

OK I've had time to look at the alert on the thieving provider, I did not comment because I did on the original report.

Your first response was in how to bring it to the attention of others..... a proper response.....

So with more than one report of her actions would it now be fair to dig into and expose details of her personal life and create a call to arms for people to contact her friends and family? To expose her as a whore to her employer or school if she were enrolled?

If so why is there not such a organized effort to do so?

Is it less popular to go after a provider that rips of a guy than it is to go after a guy that rips off a provider perhaps?

If it is "not time YET to do so at what point does it become so?

[siberia]

Hmmmm
If a woman provider writes an alert,
It's deemed "ok" and gives
as much info as possible.
Some alerts aren't really "alerts", if you
know what I mean.
Veiled vendetta for sheer enjoyment of
the masses.
Then, the guy has his side of the story,
he calls "BS".
He goes to private areas & public board to air his info.
An alert doesn't consist
of outing. See how mixed
signals could encorage
the shit. Ijs

I understand your point but with this type of work, we are outlaws.
We live in our own world of surviving the best of our ability.
They will take the matter into their own hands without civilian law.

There is no honour among thieves.

[rockerrick]

Originally Posted by Whispers

Your first response was in how to bring it to the attention of others..... a proper response.....

So with more than one report of her actions would it now be fair to dig into and expose details of her personal life and create a call to arms for people to contact her friends and family? To expose her as a whore to her employer or school if she were enrolled?

If so why is there not such a organized effort to do so?

Is it less popular to go after a provider that rips of a guy than it is to go after a guy that rips off a provider perhaps?

If it is "not time YET to do so at what point does it become so?

Absolutely if there were a pattern, and she were dumb enough to have personal information available, got some info?
A thief is a thief, I would show no difference.

[Miss Valentina]

Let me play the role of Advocatus Diaboli for a moment if I may with all the respect due the OP as he knows I have.

Perhaps by dint of having been raised by a den of bloviating alpha males and making no bones about my continued interest in them, I will concede immediately that perhaps this has made me somewhat deaf to this behavior and though I saw a lot of jumping around and chest puffery I did not see the lynchmob effect as has been described. There was some knee-jerking to be sure but not more than say, pulling an entire thread just to censor it's content and divesting the providers of this information that could keep them safe.

Lions will roar as lions should be allowed to and please correct me if I'm wrong but there didn't appear to be info posted in the thread that the offender himself didn't allude to. What went on behind the scenes is different of course but I'm not sure anyone needs to concern themselves with that. In fact the most concerning threats were made by the offender himself. To me, and perhaps only to me, proposing that one's dean or mommy may be called and proposing to put bullets into the skull of another do not seem to be equally monstrous. It would appear one is a much greater glimpse into the maniacal than the other.

I posit that if one provides the material of their own outing, is it still an outing? In other words, if one has provided that material knowing that one of the consequences of bad behavior is the circulation of that material is it still an outing? Seems a self-outing to me. Also for one who operates outside of the unspoken rules of our little group; if he/she is essentially carrying around his own rope, provoking and taunting others to hang him with words and deeds is it still a lynchmob? Though he may appear to stupid I don't believe that's the case. Though disordered persons may not wish to be caught for a punishment per se, there is something about the psychopathic personality that enjoys the chase and the notoriety. I'm not saying he is one, but notice how he gloats, sense the relish in his tone, for all the "outing"' and "threats" he is loving it, he's getting the attention he wants and oh how we are pandering, even in the innocent creation this thread and my own post now. You would have a very difficult time convincing me that he is completely innocent of orchestrating or making some machinations to this end. The dude is no dummy.

Everyone here understands that as we cannot in fact call the police. It's peculiar to me to see it suggested as to do so would jeopardize a great deal of this community which seems to me anathema to the argument that no one should ever be outed. There is a mass outing implied in the contact of the police. Everyone who comes here understands the rules and I will completely disagree with another poster and say there is in fact a great deal of honor amongst thieves. The thousands of transactions executed without poor incident attest to that. Everyone understands it is that very honor, in tandem with the looming presence of extra-judicial community monitoring that keeps this little populace running like the kinky well-oiled machine it is. I for one like the fact there are people looking out for other people. To me it is the perfect autonomously governing society and I'm completely comfortable operating within that sphere.

The only time one must really concern himself with an outing and or mob behavior is when he or she chooses to operate outside of the unspoken sovereign laws with which we are all familiar and which governs every underground and black market industry in the world and always will. So to ask when should someone be outed and implying that this guy shouldn't have been is a point to which I'm afraid I cannot concede. To me our form of justice is swift, it is sometimes disproportionate but it works and it's all we have and to capitulate to this man is similar to saying the dealer of vices shouldn't anticipate the consigliere knocking on his door or running him out of town if he shorts his clients. That guy would expect that knock and better yet, tell me why shouldn't he get that knock? So why shouldn't the rules apply to this guy? He's an, ahem, gangster. He knows the rules better than anyone.

Relent and succumb to a dude who treats our community with such contempt? Not me.

[Ebony Jasmine Love Austin]

Originally Posted by Windinhishair

Whispers thank you for your clearly thought out perspective. You are proof positive that one can be an independent big picture thinker and STILL have the good of the Entire community in mind.

Nobody would have the balls to accuse you of being a sympathizer, minimalist or doubter for not rushing to push the detonate button when everyone (mob included) is in the proximity of the explosion.

Independent rational thought may not be highly appreciated by the loudest here but it certainly is refreshing to many others.

The problem certainly needs to be dealt with but you are absolutely correct in that there is an extremely dangerous precedent being set.
A precedent which is not being challenged due to fear of board reprisal or loss of popularity.

Again thank for your big picture mindset.

+1

Groupthink

[siberia]

If someone says there is honor among thieves, this means that even corrupt or bad people sometimes have a sense of honor or integrity, or justice, even if it is skewed.
The one person that violates the code of honour becomes the offender no matter what type of culture.
Two separate idioms used for descriptive writing styles. Points
of view in the eye of the beholder.

[Miss Valentina]

Originally Posted by Ebony Jasmine Love Austin

+1

Groupthink

Goddamn that's hilariously ironic!

[Ebony Jasmine Love Austin]

just going with the paradoxicalish theme of this thread here. that's all.