Rant: When are we going to call Bull Shit; Bull Shit? Regarding the Garners

[RandB fan]

He was a what? Who was Garner? I mean it, quit sugar coating it.
He was selling contraband for a hefty profit, tax free,with no overhead, and possibly committing welfare fraud or worse. His wife admits to knowing that he was selling illegal cigarettes for substantial monetary gain so she has benefited from it so that makes her an accomplice. She stated that he gave her $400 in cash the morning he died, she knew it was dirty money but took it and tried to spin it in his favor. The Garner took their entitlements, free rent, cash, food stamps, medical care and whatever they could get. Even after some have estimated that he could have profited over $100K a year selling loosies.

Esaw Garner said police in Staten Island knew her husband sold individual cigarettes and would harass him, calling him “cigarette man” and her “cigarette man wife". I feel like it’s just something that he continued to do. And the police knew.”

Sunday, On National TV, his widow said that he was targeted not because of his race, but because he continued to defy local ordinances by selling loose cigarettes. Except they were state statutes and due to the number of charges brought against him made him a habitual violator and judges could justify consecutive sentences equaling real jail time.

She has defended him saying he was a good man, a family man, always putting family first, never missing a childs birthday but upon his death a far from known bastard child appeared, she is only a few months old, the mother is Jewel Miller and her picture is below.

Is this child #6 or 7? I has been said that Garner had 6 children but I think it is time for some accounting. When he met his wife, it had been reported and she verified, she was pregnant so there is one child thats not his. There are supposedly 2 grandchildren but they are absent from any pictures. I would have thought if you were trying to gain support for your loss you would be showing at least a few glimpses of them having to grow up without ". But no. No comments from anyone but Eric JR (18) who she told the press was a student at Essex College on a basketball scholarship but his name does not appear on the community college basketball roster. (Google it).

Can this person who is habitually unemployed, yet has a Lincoln Navigator, a suspended license, can give his wife several hundred dollars in cash, (She said he did the day he died) all the while double dipping the welfare system for rent, utilities, cash, and food entitlements, really be the man they want us to believe he is?

They, the shop owners, called the police and complained before and he was arrested, he came back, they called he was getting arrested again. He has 6 somewhat serious misdemeanor cases that were pending in state court against him yet he broke the rules of his bond release by committing the same crime again; Selling loosies in front of a business that pays taxes, rent, and license fees to sell cigarettes.They also are required not to sell to minors but rumor had it he did a brisk business with young teens.

This Garner guy was walking a slippery slope as within a year he had not only been charged with 6 crimes but had come up with $5k in bond money. You think the welfare people knew that? He got his mistress pregnant (See below) and had a daughter. Y,es he was a good man but to who?
Someone take off the white gloves and look at who this man really was, who his family (Wife) is. His wife admitted to knowing he was getting tax free money from selling loosies which she knew were illegal ON NATIONAL TV I am sure she knew he had been arrested for loosies as she has never said otherwise.

Answer me this? Why can his wife wield a $75M lawsuit against NYC when he and she has been committing fraud, benefiting from stealing from the tax payers, from the city and states coffers, including the shop owners he stole business from.

[JD Barleycorn]

Prior acts are not admissible unless they can be directly to the crime. The police were told to aggressively enforce certain laws and selling cigarettes was one.

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by JD Barleycorn

Prior acts are not admissible unless they can be directly to the crime. The police were told to aggressively enforce certain laws and selling cigarettes was one.

That is not absolutely correct in NY and most jurisdictions. It depends on what Garner were to do in the trial. In a civil action his "character" might be admissible with respect to damages ... and it might also be admissible as it related is a "wrongful death" action ... "were the police "wrong" in using the force that allegedly resulted in his death ... if that were actually proved at trial ... i.e. the actions of the police caused his death or aggravated a pre-existing condition causing his death. For instance ... as to whether the police officers acted reasonably in restraining Garner and part of their knowledge (what they knew of him) at the time would be relevant to that reasonableness.

The short is "it depends."

[Jackie S]

The muched wished for civil law suites will be a double edged sword for the Famillys.
The entire "gentle giant" persona of Michael Brown will be discredited by that video of him manhandling that poor store manager.

And Garner, as it will be shown, was nothing but a career petty criminal.

The Famillys will see their "loved ones" drug through the mud, and in the name of the dollar, be exposed for the truth in their lives.

It will be the same in the Federal Court System. Th Feds know that the only people to blame in both of these incidences are the criminals themselves.

The Feds also have a problem with the fact there was a black, woman supervisor at the scene in the Garner arrest. They are going to have to be willing to throw her under the bus to placate the race baiters, poverty pimps, and Demagogues.

[LexusLover]

Apparently the respective families (or at least of them) of the two criminals ...

..... have their own "histories" and/or "credibility" issues!

[JD Barleycorn]

What are the odds that the families (squalling children and all) will be guests of Michelle Obama during the SOTU?

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by JD Barleycorn

What are the odds that the families (squalling children and all) will be guests of Michelle Obama ....

Probably pretty good until their "background" emerges, ..

....and then she will deny knowing them or ever having spoken with them.

I would think that Hillarious and BJill would pay them a house call ....

... after all, they are practically neighbors....the Garner crowd anyway.

They could catch up with the Brown family on one of their TV shows.

[Yssup Rider]

So when was misdemeanoring made punishable by death?

[IIFFOFRDB]

Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

So when was misdemeanoring made punishable by death?

Heart attacks are deadly, Poop Puffer

[RandB fan]

Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

So when was misdemeanoring made punishable by death?

Quote from NY Times from grand jury accounts

Officer Pantaleo told the grand jury that he became fearful as he found himself sandwiched between a much larger man and a storefront window.

“He testified that the glass buckled while Garner was up against him and he was against the glass,” Mr. London said. “He was concerned that both he and Garner would go through that glass.”

I weigh in at a lot less than 400lbs but let me put you up against a plate glass window and see if you get scared, then add another 200lbs and see how scared you become.

You like the idea of having 400lbs of a man fall on top of you as glass is under and around you?

I am not going to say how I feel this should have been handled as hind sight is 20/20 but the officers clearly had non verbally agreed that once back up was there and he was distracted, this guy was going to the ground and taken into custody.
He further more stated that he repositioned himself as quickly as possible but was concerned for the safety of other officers. Videos (there were 4 total) indicate he had released the clasp of his hands once he was down. Did you know that a 400lb man driving an officer into the sidewalk could have killed them especially if their head was driven directly into the concrete?

I guess Mrs Carr never taught her children to be respectful of law enforcement, obey the law, or even to obey the sanctity of marriage. It is a sad thing that he died but good , law abiding, innocent people die every day from circumstances beyond their control. Mr (cough) Garner decided to break every rule most parents teach children(unless they are raised by criminals) and when police had to arrest him by force by some rare chance along with his physical condition, he failed to survive what a healthy person should have.

Please remember he had a pulse and was reported as breathing when he was put on a gurney. So why do have we no data of his EKG, respiratory info, or even proof they checked his windpipe? No death certificate, no video of him entering the hospital, that by the way, the paramedics worked for.
A simple tracheotomy procedure could have saved his life. We all forget that he was noted to have had a heart attack, in route, but since we have not seen all of the autopsy results or transport data, and their has not been a second opinion, we have to ask: Did he die of asphyxiation in the ambulance, or on the sidewalk? Did he die of a heart attack, or have one because of the trama?
Notice the nanes of the ME staff that worked on Garner are withheld!!!
HOMICIDE or death by the acts of another, yes. but who's acts or lack there of?
Homicide as a crime? NO, unless the paramedics did not do their jobs.

Garner could have preserved himself by doing the right and lawful thing. There is no evidence the officer wanted to harm him in any way.


If he would have consented to being arrested he would be in jail but alive, he was attempting to stay out of jail and that ultimately killed him.

[Yssup Rider]

One by one, we are ridding the ghettos of petty crooks, making it a safer place for gang bangers, whookers, dealers and hopheads.

Cops walk every time, it seems.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/08/ny...ions.html?_r=0

Grand Jury System, With Exceptions, Favors the Police in Fatalities
By JAMES C. McKINLEY Jr. and AL BAKERDEC. 7, 2014
Photo




Demonstrators put their hands around their throats in Grand Central Station as they protested a grand jury verdict in the chokehold death of Eric Garner.

and police officers in Webster Groves, Mo., last week during a protest of the grand jury’s decision in the death of Michael Brown in Ferguson.Police Face a Long and Complex Task to Mend Distrust Deepened by Killings DEC. 7, 2014

Ashley Bernaugh of Florissant, Mo., said that after Darren Wilson killed Michael Brown in Ferguson, Mo., she was surprised and upset by reactions from some family members.Police Killings Reveal Chasms Between Races DEC. 5, 2014

Wave of Protests After Grand Jury Doesn’t Indict Officer in Eric Garner Chokehold CaseDEC.
3, 2014

The encounter, glimpsed in a still from a video obtained by The New York Daily News.Man’s

Death After Chokehold Raises Old Issue for the PoliceJULY 18, 2014


Second Grand Jury Indicts Officer in Shooting DeathJAN. 27, 2014

Betty Jones, left, Luciana Collins and her daughter, Jada Collins, added to a memorial in

Charlotte, N.C., near where Jonathan Ferrell was killed by the police.Asking for Help, Then Killed by an Officer’s BarrageSEPT. 16, 2013

The circumstances of the case, like others before it and others that would follow, in Ferguson, Mo., and Staten Island, were familiar. A police officer killed an unarmed man. The officer claimed he acted appropriately. A grand jury declined to bring charges.

But the state’s case in Charlotte, N.C., against Officer Randall Kerrick, would not end there. The state attorney general’s office, which inherited the case after the local prosecutor recused himself, quickly resubmitted the case to a different grand jury.

Evidence was reheard. Twice as many as witnesses were called. And in January, the second grand jury indicted Officer Kerrick on charges of voluntary manslaughter in the death of Jonathan Ferrell, 24, a former college football player.

The extraordinary steps taken in North Carolina — along with the recent grand jury decisions to bring no charges against white police officers who killed unarmed black men in New York and Missouri — illustrate how the justice system can favor the police, often sThielding them from murder or serious manslaughter charges.

The balance tips toward the police from the start: In most felony cases, an arrest is made and a grand jury indictment follows within a prescribed period of time. But in police fatality cases, prosecutors generally use special grand juries sitting for lengthy periods to investigate and gather evidence before determining if an arrest and indictment are warranted.

Another hurdle is the law itself. Most states give officers wide discretion to use whatever force they reasonably believe is necessary to make an arrest or to protect themselves, a standard that hinges on the officer’s perceptions of danger during the encounter, legal scholars and criminologists say.

“The whole process is really reluctant to criminalize police behavior,” said Eugene O’Donnell, a former prosecutor who teaches at John Jay College of Criminal Justice in Manhattan. “The grand jurors are, the jurors are, the judges are, the appellate courts are.”

The recent decisions to refrain from bringing charges on Staten Island and in Ferguson have sparked protests because, among other things, they seem to defy logic: Shouldn’t the cases be heard at trial, many protesters have asked, and be decided by a full jury?

The questions have strengthened calls for wholesale changes in the grand jury system. Some elected leaders in New York have called for special prosecutors, or the attorney general, to investigate all fatal police encounters. Others say the current process should be stripped of its cloak of secrecy.

No precise figures exist for the number of people killed by the police in the United States, but police departments each year voluntarily report about 400 “justifiable police homicides” to the Federal Bureau of Investigation; it is an incomplete count, criminologists say

Rarely do deaths lead to murder or manslaughter charges. Research by Philip M. Stinson, a criminologist at Bowling Green State University, reports that 41 officers were charged with either murder or manslaughter in shootings while on duty over a seven-year period ending in 2011. Over that same period, police departments reported 2,600 justifiable homicides to the F.B.I.


YOU GET THE PICTURE, especially if you'believe that black hoodlums threaten your every day of wife. Stand with the killer cops...be half American (and half-asses)

[WhatHeSaid]

Randy B, Garner's crime was trying to hustle a buck whilst black.

Only White folks are allowed to do that in this country. Look at the blind eye you give all our con friends

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by WhatHeSaid

Randy B, Garner's crime was trying to hustle a buck whilst black.

Only White folks are allowed to do that in this country. Look at the blind eye you give all our con friends

Yeah, right. Just like the cops turned a blind eye to an illicit lemonade stand run by a four year old white girl.

I’m beginning to think that there’s a nation-wide government conspiracy against either lemonade or children, because these lemonade stand shutdowns seem to be getting more and more common. If you set up a stand for your kids, just be prepared for a visit from the cops.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain...monade-stands/

[Yssup Rider]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

Yeah, right. Just like the cops turned a blind eye to an illicit lemonade stand run by a four year old white girl.

You'd prefer they shoot the kid?

[Tetas]

Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

You'd prefer they shoot the kid?

Only permissible if said child is armed with an airsoft weapon.