Moore accuser admits lying about yearbook.

[the_real_Barleycorn]

Originally Posted by Munchmasterman

Here is the definition of the word "bigot".
"a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion".
Does that fit moore? Yes. Does moore have a right to be a bigot? As long as it doesn't affect his job (and it's obvious it does). Does Judge moore have a right to force his beliefs on us in violation of the law? No.
Disagreeing and being intolerant are 2 totally different things, especially when you're a judge.
That's why he was removed from the bench. Not for standing up for his beliefs. He was removed for trying to force his beliefs on us in violation of the law.


Religous grounds come after our nation's laws and the Constitution.

You have any proof of this intolerance?

[garhkal]

Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

. My personal belief is that to dislike another person based solely on that person's color, religion, sex, or sexual orientation is wrong and if others disagree with me, that is fine.

AND i don't feel this whole 'sexual orientation bull shit, is Or should be a protected special snowflake class. I still feel it SHOULD have stayed, a mental illness..

Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

As for legal rights that gays are denied -- nothing major that I can think of, There are always court cases that are in the system that require answers on such rights. For example, does a cake maker have the right to refuse services to a same-sex couple? What I was alluding to in my previous post, and probably did not accurately state, was that rights that gays have are being violated by many.

So the gays right to get served, overrides the bakers right to pratice his religion?

And how about his comments on Muslims?


The U.S. Senate candidate wrote in 2006 that newly-elected Representative Keith Ellison, a Muslim, should be prohibited from taking the oath of office.

He went on to add that Islamic law is "simply incompatible with our law."

He went on to compare taking the oath of office on a Quran with allowing an oath of office to be taken with Adolf Hitler's "Mein Kampf" in 1943 or Karl Marx's "Communist Manifesto" during the Cold War.

And i fully agree with him there.. Muslims by their OWN Laws and the Koran CANNOT put any other country's laws above what is in the Koran. Ergo, they cannot TRUTHFULLY Swear an oath to uphold OUR laws and our constitution.

[Munchmasterman]

Since he was suspended for ordering lower court judges to not obey a US Supreme Court ruling that legalized same-sex marriage, I would say he was intolerant towards gay marriage.
I suppose that a judge who selectively rules, as he sees fit, is okay if you have the same views as him. Not so good if you were following the laws he ignores.
Since moore violated his oath of office and gave up his position on the state Supreme Court because he ordered others to disobey a law, that is a case of intolerance, as well as being many other things.

Originally Posted by the_real_Barleycorn

You have any proof of this intolerance?

[Munchmasterman]

People don't swear on the Bible because it contains our laws. The Constitution contains our laws. The Bible is a book about the Christian religion. You don't have to swear (or affirm) on any book. The laws of any religion are secondary to its message. How many Christians follow the 10 Commandments to the letter?
And since moore broke his oath of office ("I, …, solemnly swear (or affirm, as the case may be) that I will support the Constitution of
the United States, and the Constitution of the State of Alabama, so long as I continue a
citizen thereof; and that I will faithfully and honestly discharge the duties of the office upon
which I am about to enter, to the best of my ability. So help me God."), after swearing on the Bible, it doesn't mean much to him either. The whole idea of being a judge means your personal opinions come second to the law. In other words the Constitution. If you think your opinions come before the law you lied when you took your oath.
The oath makes no mention of religious beliefs. It says support the US Constitution.

Originally Posted by garhkal

AND i don't feel this whole 'sexual orientation bull shit, is Or should be a protected special snowflake class. I still feel it SHOULD have stayed, a mental illness..



So the gays right to get served, overrides the bakers right to pratice his religion?

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And i fully agree with him there.. Muslims by their OWN Laws and the Koran CANNOT put any other country's laws above what is in the Koran. Ergo, they cannot TRUTHFULLY Swear an oath to uphold OUR laws and our constitution. Of course they can. Muslims live under the laws of the country they live in.

The country we live in puts no religion above another. We live by US law here, not Christian or Muslim law.
That's why the laws are written down for all to see. So someone can't play by their own.
Not a perfect system but no system is. It works pretty well.


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[Munchmasterman]

It's now mostly a moot point.
Moore has been defeated.

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by Munchmasterman

It's now mostly a moot point.
Moore has been defeated.

Two clarifications: (1) Moore was defeated as a candidate for the U.S. Senate. (2) Moore got almost 50% of the vote irrespective of everything you said about him.

In the next regular election it will be difficult for Jones to hang on to the seat if a less flawed candidate runs for office. Particularly if Jones does not adjust his social/political views to more closely align with those of most of the Alabama voters.

[SpeedRacerXXX]

Originally Posted by garhkal

AND i don't feel this whole 'sexual orientation bull shit, is Or should be a protected special snowflake class. I still feel it SHOULD have stayed, a mental illness..

So the gays right to get served, overrides the bakers right to pratice his religion?

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And i fully agree with him there.. Muslims by their OWN Laws and the Koran CANNOT put any other country's laws above what is in the Koran. Ergo, they cannot TRUTHFULLY Swear an oath to uphold OUR laws and our constitution.


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I'm not going to argue with you other than to say.

1. You will find little to no support on your opinion that being gay is a mental illness. It may be genetic or it may be a choice, but in no way would you find anyone in the medical field refer to it as an "illness".

2, When a person opens a business to serve the public, there are laws that keep that person from discriminating who he/she will and will not serve. Can the baker refuse service to a black person and serve a white person? The SCOTUS is deciding right now whether a person's religious beliefs can override a customer's request to be served.

3. Take some time and learn what a Muslim really believes. I am hardly an expert on the subject and I realize that you will find opinions all over the place on whether Muslims can be good Americans.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/unfunda...ood-americans/

https://www.thenation.com/article/he...rican-muslims/

You are welcome to your opinions. I realize that whatever I present to you will not alter your viewpoints. Peace.

[Munchmasterman]

So does that mean he won the other office he was running for?
Oh, that's right, he wasn't running for another office. So nobody needed your first clarification.
Your second one was just as pointless if not more so than the first.
No one in Alabama had their vote swayed by anything I said. Just like no one changed their vote because you were shilling for him. So I'd like to add a clarification of my own.
Moore managed to show nearly 50% of the voters don't care that moore violated his oath of office. Twice.
Religious beliefs come after US laws. If there is a possibility a person's religious opinions will get in the way of upholding the Constitution then they shouldn't run for office.

Originally Posted by LexusLover

Two clarifications: (1) Moore was defeated as a candidate for the U.S. Senate. (2) Moore got almost 50% of the vote irrespective of everything you said about him.

In the next regular election it will be difficult for Jones to hang on to the seat if a less flawed candidate runs for office. Particularly if Jones does not adjust his social/political views to more closely align with those of most of the Alabama voters.

And who knows. They might re-elect him based on him doing a good job.
Stranger things have happened.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by garhkal

So the gays right to get served, overrides the bakers right to pratice his religion?

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Yes...your religion should not extend to the nations commerce.

Much like Conscientious objectors still have to register for SS.


https://www.sss.gov/consobj

[Yssup Rider]

Originally Posted by Budman

Why are there not any other allegations from 30 or 20 or 10 years ago. Many are making him out to be this serial predator of young girls. If that is true why are there not more victims coming forward?

Why were these allegations not brought up during the primary against Strange? The timing is certainly suspect and it is now his word against theirs.

Here we go.

It was all RIGGED!

Nope. Twitler’s bullshit is reaching a shrinking base.

McConnell will also have hell to pay.

[the_real_Barleycorn]

Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

I'm not going to argue with you other than to say.

1. You will find little to no support on your opinion that being gay is a mental illness. It may be genetic or it may be a choice, but in no way would you find anyone in the medical field refer to it as an "illness".

2, When a person opens a business to serve the public, there are laws that keep that person from discriminating who he/she will and will not serve. Can the baker refuse service to a black person and serve a white person? The SCOTUS is deciding right now whether a person's religious beliefs can override a customer's request to be served.

3. Take some time and learn what a Muslim really believes. I am hardly an expert on the subject and I realize that you will find opinions all over the place on whether Muslims can be good Americans.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/unfunda...ood-americans/

https://www.thenation.com/article/he...rican-muslims/

You are welcome to your opinions. I realize that whatever I present to you will not alter your viewpoints. Peace.

Correction time again...there are some experts who contend that being IS a mental disorder. It is outside the norm biologically so it is, by definition, abnormal. Those same experts do get attacked and are reviled by the left with a political agenda.

As I said before, the did NOT refuse service to gay people. They were repeat customers. They refused to participate in a ritual with both religious and political overtones.

[the_real_Barleycorn]

Originally Posted by Munchmasterman

So does that mean he won the other office he was running for?
Oh, that's right, he wasn't running for another office. So nobody needed your first clarification.
Your second one was just as pointless if not more so than the first.
No one in Alabama had their vote swayed by anything I said. Just like no one changed their vote because you were shilling for him. So I'd like to add a clarification of my own.
Moore managed to show nearly 50% of the voters don't care that moore violated his oath of office. Twice.
Religious beliefs come after US laws. If there is a possibility a person's religious opinions will get in the way of upholding the Constitution then they shouldn't run for office.


And who knows. They might re-elect him based on him doing a good job.
Stranger things have happened.

So you accept the idea of a Trump reelection.