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CPT Savajo · 09-13-2011, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Fast Gunn

The US budget numbers eloquently reveal the story of the US financial history.

Bush came into office with a $128 Billion surplus left by Clinton, which he promptly crapped down the toilet with his unfunded and totally unnecessary invasion of Iraq.

President Obama came into office with skyrocketing spending by the Bush policies and tax cuts for the wealthy.

President Obama is working on lowering US spending and returning our troops home that never should have been sent there in the first place. That dimwitted move by Bush played right into Bin Laden's hand by handing him a terrorist recruitment tool and a war that sucked this country's blood and treasure.

We still have a lot of work to do to turn this economy around, but it is obvious which party has the good of the country at heart and which party is just addicted to power.

Touché, "Fast gun" Well the first thing that I see wrong in your graph is that it has .gov in it. Not a reliable source for the truth, plus the graph is just inaccurate. Don't get upset but the purpose of the graph that you posted is to dumb people down on purpose! You can believe the graph you posted all you want but I'll trust the latter. Just think about the graph you posted. How many billions are going to get spent on the "jobs" package that Obama is trying to get passed? How many billions, is it around 400 billion to be in the ballpark? Are you even living on this planet or are you in a deep denial? Au revoir!

CuteOldGuy · 09-13-2011, 11:29 PM

Even if the deficits were decreasing, which they aren't, the national debt is still increasing. We are almost at critical mass for an economic meltdown of biblical proportions. It will be difficult, but the spending has to stop.

CPT Savajo · 09-13-2011, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

Even if the deficits were decreasing, which they aren't, the national debt is still increasing. We are almost at critical mass for an economic meltdown of biblical proportions. It will be difficult, but the spending has to stop.

Exactly!

TexTushHog · 09-14-2011, 12:56 AM

The real issue is that the government has been engaged in a massive upward redistribution of wealth over the past thirty years. It slowed somewhat during the Clinton years, but not entirely. We need to reverse that government driven upward redistribution. It's really quite simple.

LexusLover · 09-14-2011, 03:49 AM

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Originally Posted by TexTushHog

We need to reverse that government driven upward redistribution. It's really quite simple.

"We" are ....

"President Obama made Solyndra the poster child of his clean energy efforts. He visited the company’s Fremont, Calif., manufacturing plant in May 2010, where he noted that, “the true engine of economic growth will always be companies like Solyndra.”"

$500 million here, and $500 million there.

Guest040616 · 09-14-2011, 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by LexusLover

$500 million here, and $500 million there.

If it is the $$$$ that you are concerned with, why did you not compalin about the $1 trillion the Bush Administration spent on a fruitless search for WMD's that no longer existed. All things considered, "$500 million here, and $500 million there," seems to be much more "bang for the buck!" Especially if the "500 million here, and $500 million there" is spent promoting job growth in the friendly confines of the good ol' US of A! It seems to be quite apparent that you would prefer to promote job growth in Iraq!

As for me, I am an America first kinda guy!

Sensia · 09-14-2011, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDaliLama

Vote for the Republican of your choice.

Change is right around the corner.

OH no.. sorry I am voting Democrat..

But thanks for the suggestion.

LexusLover · 09-14-2011, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by bigtex

As for me, I am an America first kinda guy!

Actually, if "we" had spent that much "looking for wmd's in the desert" AND "we" already knew they weren't there (as you claim to have known), then I would complain.

The "Solar Energy Gate" scandal is just hitting the "light of day" .. if you will pardon the pun. Your man Obbie owns this one, and he earned it.

The distinction is BT: I told you about Obaminable BEFORE the elections in 2008, and ...

.... you whined about no WMD's AFTER it was reported that none were found, while ignoring the FACTS that WMD's was not the only reason we CONTINUED the hostilities with Iraq....just like your other man Clinton did (who also believed there were WMD's), along with a healthy majority of both houses of Congress .... 2 x's.

BTW: Does that guy standing there look like an Obbie supporter?

CuteOldGuy · 09-14-2011, 09:26 AM

Not everyone who opposes President Obama was a supporter of George Bush. I opposed the wasteful and stupid things President Bush did as well as our current President. So yes, I did complain about spending millions to find non-existent WMDS, and I oppose President Obama's disastrous fiscal policies.

Guest040616 · 09-14-2011, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

Not everyone who opposes President Obama was a supporter of George Bush. I opposed the wasteful and stupid things President Bush did as well as our current President. So yes, I did complain about spending millions to find non-existent WMDS, and I oppose President Obama's disastrous fiscal policies.

That was not directed at you. It was pointed in LL's direction. He and I have a very long history in the political forums. We were making these same distinctions during the spring of 2003. Our positions have not changed! LL now has to live with the fact that Iraq was a huge mistake from the beginning and he still has difficulty dealing with that fact!

There is a distinct difference between he and I. He drank the Bush/Cheney Kool Aid in the spring of 2003. He is certainly aware that I know it. I didn't drink the Kool Aid. I am certainly aware that he knows it.

All things considered, the spring 2003 invasion of Iraq and the countless problems that resulted from that invasion has not been good for LL's overly inflated ego! Hopefully, he will get over it some day!

LexusLover · 09-14-2011, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by bigtex

The end result in Iraq was not good for his overly inflated ego!

I can live with the current conditions in Iraq, the "end results" have not been acheived as of yet. Whether it was a mistake may well be decided past my life expectancy. The "end" has not been reached.

My support for the President's decision at the time it was made is well documented, as is the decision of Congress (and some other folks that exceed your qualifications in analysis) and I had the same level of support for President Clinton's decision to attack Iraq, which was for the same reasons as President Bush, although not as effective as would be expected.

A more urgent question is: Can you live with the "end results" of Obama, BT?

And I recognize how important it is for your ego to re-direct attention from the loser who persuaded you to vote for him and support him with his brand of snake oil. But you obviously have a lot of good company. So enjoy it, and don't hide from your decision. I don't hide from my support of the President's decision based on what the President "knew" at the time, as opposed to your criticism based on after-the-fact analysis. I have called it Monday morning ...

But it is not uncharacteristic of you to be whining about no WMD's in a thread about the poverty levels reaching an all time high during the administration of the President who you helped to elect. Too bad you are not whining about where all those promised jobs are located, so some of that poverty can be erased. So each time you ask about the WMD's ... I'll ask about the JOBS.

Fast Gunn · 09-14-2011, 11:48 AM

You say "you can live" with the current conditions in Iraq?

Damn! Did you really proclaim that publicly?

Are you totally insane, callous or really just that ignorant?

Does the fact that over 4,000 US soldiers died there in that totally unnecessary war even penetrate into your skull?

I opposed that idiotic war from the very first day it was announced and so did Barack Obama, I am proud to say, but I did not have the intense pressure from Washington to support Bush in his insane drive to attack Iraq.

. . . The fact that the Iraq war was clearly a mistake should be patently obvious right now to anyone with even a modicum of good sense.

(Decided "past your life expectancy" my ass!)

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Originally Posted by LexusLover

I can live with the current conditions in Iraq, the "end results" have not been acheived as of yet. Whether it was a mistake may well be decided past my life expectancy. The "end" has not been reached.

LexusLover · 09-14-2011, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Fast Gunn

You say "you can live" with the current conditions in Iraq?

Does the fact that over 4,000 US soldiers died there in that totally unnecessary war even penetrate into your skull?

Yes, and yes. I live with it every day. Why don't you?

"We" lost about 3/4 that number in non-combatants on one day .... 911, and over 12x that number in S.E. Asia. How many times over in Korea? How many will we end up losing in Afghanistan?

And that is not to say that I am delighted with the fact that there were, and are casualties of any number, but I am realistic enough to understand that there will be in confrontations, just like there were on 911.... and elsewhere around the world prior to 911.

If you were opposed to the 2003 ... continuation ... of the confrontation with Iraq, just express your opposition to it in political, economic, and/or security terms, but tossing out statistics on the loss of lives is not an answer. If one is opposed to armed conflict, then any loss is unacceptable, but, in my opinion, when others perceive that one is unwilling to make that sacrifice, it is more likely that there will be sacrifices made.

I had hoped that after 40 to 50 years this country would have overcome the reputation for withdrawing and leaving when things get nasty, but I can see that "we" have not, and "we" will pay the consequences, just as we were in Kabul yesterday. Our land and flag will be constantly attacked with impunity.

Guest040616 · 09-14-2011, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Fast Gunn

. . . The fact that the Iraq war was clearly a mistake should be patently obvious right now to anyone with even a modicum of good sense.

Fast Gunn, I hate to be the bearer of bad news but "good sense" and LL should not be mentioned in the same sentence. Unless you preface the phrase "good sense" with the qualifier, "lack thereof!"

Unfortunately what you see is what you get where LL is concerned. On his best days LL is arrogant and condescending. It is downhill beyond that! It used to bother me but I have learned to accept the fact that there are some things in life which cannot be changed. LL happens to be one of them.

Accept it and move on!

And now for the big enchilada!

When pressed, LL claims to be a Democrat! Guess what? He actually feels people are gullible enough to believe it!

Please do not count me among the believers!

LexusLover · 09-14-2011, 01:43 PM

[quote=bigtex;1660820] .... I have learned to accept the fact that there are some things in life which cannot be changed. LL happens to be one of them. /quote]

You are correct as to one aspect at least, which is that I do not wait until Monday morning to call the plays. We might, and I stress the might, be having a different discussion had there been no 2003 "invasion" and an Iraqi designed and manufactured dirty bomb found its way into the Houston ship channel.

What side would you be on then, BT? Let me guess. Bush bashing.