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Old 06-16-2013, 09:44 PM   #1
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Default Escorts, GFE ...and the Courtesan experience

Now I hate using such cheesy outdated labels such as 'courtesan', but it's still the most well-known way to describe a certain experience

Of course to an inexperienced newbie words such as escort, gfe escort, courtesan can all mean the same thing. It can take several years of "experimenting" to discover the difference ...and there is a wide sky to earth difference

This is a general overview, by no means is it meant to be a hard and fast rule/limiting, but simply a generalization. Neither is it meant to state one is superior than the other. We are all different people with different needs, likes, dislikes, and should respect that



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- To be very frank, it is about money. main motivation, pleasure, desire, and the more the merrier. Often times, it is not a lifestyle, it is a job, work, with a schedule. Often times, as soon as the goal has been met (financial, educational, etc), they are happy to GTFO. Another word common with escorts is the specific "services" they provide. While there is a wide array of difference in standards and preferences of the lady, the main motivation is still money, in which respect the lady is probably willing to see a wide variety of people, whether there is mutual attraction, chemistry, etc are not the main criteria, it's a business to them. In terms of volume, they do tend to be higher volume, again the number can vary but you get the picture. Length of the "session" can vary from 15 mins - days really, but usually short sessions are the most popular,. There's not much else offered or expected than the physical presence + service. Rates can vary from very low to very high

The type of clients they typically attract can be serial hobbyists - men who prefer to try, dabble in ...something new often as they can. Such clients also empathize the importance of specific "services". Beauty + Services. To conclude we can say this is a relationship of the Atm machine and the Blow up Doll



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escorts - Offer a little more of themselves, and strive to provide what it is called - a girlfriend experience. This can mean showing affection, conversation, a little deeper intimacy... it becomes less about offering/demanding specific "services", but more of an overall experience. Making the most money still has a high appeal, but they are usually a little more choosy and tend to ask a higher price. Volume can largely vary, from low-high

I think the above experiences are both widely sought - mainstream



dun dun dun enter the mysterious and hard to find - the Courtesan experience, well it's more of a lasting relationship than an experience ..

By the very nature, the root of this depends on being low-very low volume. the fewer suitors (notice I didn't say clients) the better in the sense that it is the only way to be able to provide what they offer. Courtesans are obviously known to have very high fees, however I would not refer to it as being a "hdh" which I view as just being high priced escorts.

They really empathize exclusivity and making a connection - mental, physical, emotional - sometimes even spiritual

Courtesans have a certain personality, nature, attributes ....(notice I didn't say looks)
The type of beauty these women have tends to very natural and authentic - which makes them stand out from the large pool of escorts who empathize marketing certain body parts, breast/ass size, how good they are in XXX! etc to draw in clients.

They are not all necessarily the most beautiful women, can be quite average/plain in appearance, yet there is something else there which draws you in

They usually don't market themselves aggressively, yet they do maintain a well-established presence - whether or not they are on vacation, taking some time off from this, they don't want to disappear/cut themselves off from their relationships. In other words, not 'fly by the night'.

Type of patrons they tend to attract are ones who are equally choosy, selective, have a certain standard, know exactly what they're looking for, can see and appreciate it when they find it, don't bother with anything else. Often times the lady will be the only one the gentleman is seeing/in a intimate relationship with (with the exception of the possible wife)

Exclusivity is favored by both parties, for the sake of the growing relationship as well health reasons

Notice how much I'm empathizing relationship. While there is a monetary transaction it is not seen felt to be the main reason why both people come and keep together. It is certainly important but more of the icing on the cake and the gentleman is viewed as playing a supportive role in the lady's life. Mutual respect, understanding is the underlying foundation

Unlike the Fantasy temporary gfe experience, this is often the closest to the real thing you can get - without the drama, commitment, etc

It is a lasting experience, and much like real life relationships, it can be very personal, a high level of trust is there, sharing of each others lives.

And it comes back to the importance of having a few suitors, because this type of relationship can be very draining, yet also deeply rewarding; there is so much invested

There is so much more to write about this, because there is always so much more discover, as far as you wish to take it
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Old 06-17-2013, 10:04 AM   #2
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i loved this post and i somehow feel i sit in between the last 2 jjust how i feel i could be wrong.
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Old 06-17-2013, 11:13 AM   #3
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Ms. Sarafina, you continue to amaze me with your thoughtful and articulate postings. You are, indeed, a ray of sunshine on this forum. I believe that your definitions are quite accurate and not demeaning to any of the defined categories, just stating what constitutes each. Your description of a courtesan very accurately depicts the relationship I have currently with a very lovely lady. We have been seeing each other on a very regular basis for just over a year now. We have truly become part of each other's lives and share intimacies far beyond the bedroom. We have all the best parts of a real relationship. without any of the drama and issues of most couples. She is intelligent, articulate, well read, an excellent conversationalist and has absolutely no interest in any type of "forever" relationship. Oh yes, as an added bonus, she is very beautiful as well. She meets my needs in every way. We don't have appointments, we have dates. We go to the movies, the theatre, the symphony, the ballet, fine dining and even a 5 day vacation together, and I am always bursting with pride at the lady on my arm. Together, we mutually attempt to make each others lives better. Of course, our BCD time is wonderful, but she is so much more to me than that. She is my friend, my confidant and my lover. She is a true courtesan.
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Old 06-17-2013, 01:12 PM   #4
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I like to use Companion as a generic rather than Provider anymore. Just sounds better to me.
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Old 06-19-2013, 08:06 AM   #5
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The OP is indeed an intelligent and thoughtful provider of posts on these pages, posts I too much enjoy. However, my enjoyment is more as a devil's advocate.

In this case, she prompted me to do a little research into what a coutesan was, and, in fact, a cortesan is basically a lady currently in favor with the powers that be, the court, so to say. This could have been a woman born into priviledge but brought down by misfortune, or a 'lower class' woman favored for some skill and brought up. In either case, the status is fickle and can often be lost with a slight mis-step.

But I suggest, as the topic of conversation, that it is the status and whims of the client that determine the courtesan, more so the menu of the provider.
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Old 06-19-2013, 04:06 PM   #6
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Your description of a courtesan very accurately depicts the relationship I have currently with a very lovely lady. We have been seeing each other on a very regular basis for just over a year now. We have truly become part of each other's lives and share intimacies far beyond the bedroom. We have all the best parts of a real relationship. without any of the drama and issues of most couples. She is intelligent, articulate, well read, an excellent conversationalist and has absolutely no interest in any type of "forever" relationship. Oh yes, as an added bonus, she is very beautiful as well. She meets my needs in every way. We don't have appointments, we have dates. We go to the movies, the theatre, the symphony, the ballet, fine dining and even a 5 day vacation together, and I am always bursting with pride at the lady on my arm. Together, we mutually attempt to make each others lives better. Of course, our BCD time is wonderful, but she is so much more to me than that. She is my friend, my confidant and my lover. She is a true courtesan.
Good god, that is exactly what I'm seeking. You are so fortunate. Lucky man!
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Old 06-19-2013, 07:36 PM   #7
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Yes, Zabrina, I am indeed a very lucky man. I consider myself to be extremely fortunate to have met this amazing woman and, I believe that she feels quite the same. She has told me that I am her closest friend, and she is most certainly one of mine. We have confided in each other some things that neither of us have ever shared with anyone else. When we converse, either on the phone or in person, we have been known to talk for hours and, seemingly, never run out of things to discuss. While neither of us has any interest in marriage or living together, we do truly care deeply about one another. After seeing each other for slightly more than a year, every time we arrange a date, I'm like a kid looking forward to Christmas!!

Good luck in finding what you are seeking. You are a beautiful, intelligent and articulate lady and I'm sure you will be successful in your search.
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brilliant!

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The OP is indeed an intelligent and thoughtful provider of posts on these pages, posts I too much enjoy. However, my enjoyment is more as a devil's advocate.

In this case, she prompted me to do a little research into what a coutesan was, and, in fact, a cortesan is basically a lady currently in favor with the powers that be, the court, so to say. This could have been a woman born into priviledge but brought down by misfortune, or a 'lower class' woman favored for some skill and brought up. In either case, the status is fickle and can often be lost with a slight mis-step.

But I suggest, as the topic of conversation, that it is the status and whims of the client that determine the courtesan, more so the menu of the provider.
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This was a very insightful post thank you for taking the time to share it. There are many levels in this lifestyle which a lady can identify herself with and this is one of the more well though out explanations of each of the levels, in their broadest sense, that I have read.
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Old 06-26-2013, 03:49 PM   #10
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I want to work my way up to Courtesan status. that's my hobby goal. ^_^
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Old 06-26-2013, 06:32 PM   #11
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We are all different people with different needs, likes, dislikes, and should respect that
Interesting and thoughtful post. Thank you very much!

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- There's not much else offered or expected than the physical presence service. Rates can vary from very low to very high To conclude we can say this is a relationship of the Atm machine and the Blow up Doll

I think that is a little harsh, but does emphasize the mostly physical nature of the "escort" experience which is mainly a euphemism for what many would call a hooker, whore or prostitute. I would agree that this is a mainly physical relationship, but can and does occasionally transcend that purely physical and economic plane to a more emotional and intellectual level. I have found that in many cases the "escort" is open to much more than just the physical if treated as a human being with feelings and needs and treated with respect and affection even a bit of love. We all need physical and sexual contact along with so much more and when more than one happens it is usually good, healing and fulfilling no matter the circumstances.

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escorts - Offer a little more of themselves,
Indeed they do much of the time and I would contend that the lines blur between all these levels depending on the people involved, their needs and moods at the time, the chemistry and probably other factors that I can't think of at this time.

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Courtesan experience, well it's more of a lasting relationship than an experience ..

By the very nature, the root of this depends on being low-very low volume.
There is so much more to write about this, because there is always so much more discover, as far as you wish to take it

Well, again, I would say that the "courtesan experience" has a much wider range, though perhaps the true courtesan is indeed "low-very low volume" and by extension would be high-very high priced (and high quality). Of course the definition of low volume and high quality probably varies greatly. I've had some excellent high quality "courtesan" experiences for (in retrospect) not very high prices. IMHO, the real distinction is more attitude and genuine affection and IOP (and many of our lady friends in this business have an enormous amount of affection and sexual energy to give) than necessarily low volume per se. I think you are dead on that relationship is important, but I do wonder how "lasting" it really needs to be if indeed attitude, genuine affection, chemistry, sexual energy/need and IOP are involved. I'm not convinced that it can't be a rather fleeting relationship, but intense and very very "courtesan" if most of those conditions are present. OTOH, there can be long, mainly physical relationships that are not in any way "courtesan" and all variations in between.

I believe this speaks to your very accurate observation that, "We are all different people with different needs, likes, dislikes, and should respect that"

I suspect that just like pornography, the courtesan experience is hard to identify, but "we all will know it when we see it".
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Old 06-26-2013, 06:34 PM   #12
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I want to work my way up to Courtesan status. that's my hobby goal. ^_^
We need to talk then, I'm an officially certified Courtesan Couch and Trainer!
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We need to talk then, I'm an officially certified Courtesan Couch and Trainer!
Courtesan Couch? Is that some sort of high-class face-sitting? I'm intrigued.

Anywho, this topic is certainly of interest to me. I started providing at a young age (22) before I knew the value of a dollar, had any appreciation for customer service, and before I had a knowledge of the hospitality industry and a formal introduction to what high-class really means. Back then the hobby was a great way to explore my sexuality and it certainly fit (still fits) my sexual needs -- anonymous sex with respectful, sex-positive partners and the ability to explore intimacy without the strings that I don't enjoy being tangled-up in. Honestly, I haven't found a suitable substitute for what the hobby provides from a solely sexual standpoint.

Now I'm approaching 30 and feel that I'm better suited to explore hobbyland after a few years in hiding. I have a better grasp on the real world and have a lot more in my wheelhouse to provide since there's only so much one can know at 22, or even 29. I am excited to reboot my image and to explore other hobby-related avenues. Sure, it'll take awhile to get there (takes money to make money, need new reviews to rebuild and reshape my reputation, etc) but I'll get there eventually. The HDH fantasy never quite intrigued me, but there are many other options that I find fascinating.
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Courtesan Couch? Is that some sort of high-class face-sitting? I'm intrigued.

The HDH fantasy never quite intrigued me, but there are many other options that I find fascinating.
That is funny! I like that...

I've said this before: the amount you charge doesn't make you a courtesan or classy. Yes, at a certain price range, certain aspects of an encounter are expected, but it's not a guarantee. I know $1K/hr fuck-holes, and $300/hr courtesans.

Being a modern-day courtesan to me means that you're selective, well-rounded, and chemistry takes precedence over the money. Because there's a mutual respect, both parties are willing to do what makes each other comfortable.
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I dig your style, Tiffani.

The porn-star, jet-setting, enhanced assets and feigned interest in opera (although I actually do enjoy the opera myself) always seemed off, definitely not a fit for my lifestyle. Screw the swanky hotel and Louboutins, I want some modest bohemian love nest with fresh flowers, candlelight, great music, and a signature cocktail. A place to prance around in my vintage lingerie. I've mastered the saucier details but now I'm excited to master the providing of the atmosphere that provides a true escape for both my clients and myself. First things first, though!
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