Affects of ObamaCare Coming Soon to a Doctor's Office / Hospital Near YOU!!! Death Panels Cometh!

[therock18]

So Obama wanted European healthcare, well here it is!

Some final warnings about ObamaCare

Each visit to the U.K. brings new horror stories about the National Health Service (NHS).

Last month, Sir Bruce Keogh, medical director of the NHS, issued a forensic report, commissioned by the government, which found that 14 underperforming hospitals in England had substandard care, contributing to the needless deaths of nearly 13,000 people since 2005. Earlier this year, it was reported that a single hospital in Staffordshire recorded 1,400 "excess" deaths.

Following the July report, letters from patients and relatives of those who died flooded in to newspapers, Sky News and the BBC. Many confirmed poor treatment, if in fact they or their loved ones were able to receive timely care at all. The lack of adequate nursing staff, cuts to elder care budgets and a rise in immigrant populations are a few of the factors that have exacerbated the problem.</b>

Will Americans have to wait weeks, or months, for treatment or surgery, in some cases, risking death?

One letter from Grace Nutt to the Sky News web page is typical: "I am not surprised at the report at all. In fact, the scandal has been going on for longer than the (period from) 2005 the report covers. My daughter was stillborn at Basildon Hospital in 1986. I was ten days overdue and very, very big, and in a lot of distress, but was told go home and come back tomorrow; ‘we don't have enough beds.’ During the night my daughter died. The nurse even told me she could hear the heartbeat the following day. I told her she couldn't and it was confirmed by the doctor. The lack of care has been going on for much longer than stated. I am distressed that I did not at the time take the case further and sue, but it's too late now. I hope everyone in similar circumstances makes them pay. D--n you Basildon Hospital."

Waiting times for many surgeries in the U.K. are notoriously long, but recently have grown longer. The Huffington Post U.K. reports that, according to the NHS' own data, close to 3 million people "were waiting to begin NHS treatment at the end of June, following a referral by their GP." That represents an increase of 240,000 people from the same month last year. The NHS target for treatment following a referral is 18 weeks. The data show 91.7 percent of patients are "seen" within 18 weeks, but being seen and getting surgery or treatment are not the same. After the first appointment, patients often get in another line. Some wait additional weeks or months until a surgeon becomes available. Some die while waiting.

The Daily Telegraph reports the entire system "could collapse within a year without major changes and extra money. Senior doctors likened A-and-E units (accident and emergency) to 'warzones' in May, with medics fighting a losing battle to cope with an increasing tide of patients, while the head of the NHS watchdog said the system had become 'out of control.'"

This is what happens when big, lumbering, inefficient government seeks to provide health care. Why should the U.K.'s horrid experience with NHS matter to Americans? Because if, in a much smaller country, these and other horror stories abound, how much worse could it be when our big, lumbering, inefficient government launches ObamaCare? What impact will it have on U.S. hospitals and health care providers? Instead of merely mandating insurance coverage to the uninsured, will our government eventually begin dictating what surgeries and treatments it will pay for based on what a bureaucrat deems cost-effective? It's only a short step from overseeing health insurance to more intrusive oversight of medical care in general.

Everyone in the U.K. might have access to health care, but they are often forced to accept inferior health care. Will ObamaCare result in Americans patiently waiting 4 1/2 months between a referral and an appointment with a specialist or surgeon? Will Americans have to wait weeks, or months, for treatment or surgery, in some cases, risking death?

With ObamaCare scheduled to begin phasing-in on Oct. 1, in order to avoid what Sen. Max Baucus, D-Mont., has called a "train wreck," these questions need answers.

[thisguy23]

On the bright side the Canadians who are coming to the US for health care now because of the wait they have in their system will stop once the same waiting time is here.

[Yssup Rider]

Dumber than a bag of hammers, JL!

[IIFFOFRDB]

Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

Dumber than a bag of hammers, JL!

Yobyssis Rider is proof that evolution CAN go in reverse...LOL

[timpage]

195,000 medical deaths in the US due to mistakes. The report is from 2004 but it's the one that took 5 seconds to find.

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/11856.php

You got anything that makes any fuckin' sense Shit-For-Brains?

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by timpage

195,000 medical deaths in the US due to mistakes. The report is from 2004 but it's the one that took 5 seconds to find.

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/11856.php

See how long it will take you to find those in 2014, 2015, 2016, etc.

Then how long it takes for the doc to pull up your records then?

[WTF]

Originally Posted by LexusLover

See how long it will take you to find those in 2014, 2015, 2016, etc.

Then how long it takes for the doc to pull up your records then?

No longer than it took to established the bs lies about death panels you Sara P and JDipshit have been trying to spread.

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by WTF

No longer than it took to established the bs lies about death panels you Sara P and JDipshit have been trying to spread.

Just remember, you lying sack of shit, with your head stuck in the sand ...

.. your ass is exposed..... Obama will enjoy it!

[Laz]

Originally Posted by WTF

No longer than it took to established the bs lies about death panels you Sara P and JDipshit have been trying to spread.

The name death panels was used to be inflammatory in nature but it is not wrong. There will have to be health care rationing and some panel will be selecting which treatments are available and to whom. They will be making life and death decisions. That does occur now at insurance companies to a degree when they state what treatments they will pay for but that is limited to new unproven treatments and does not apply to who gets the treatments. These types of decisions will always have to be made by someone but I do not want it to be a government bureaucracy, Look at how much compassion the IRS has for the citizens they supposedly serve.

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by Laz

That does occur now at insurance companies to a degree...

The government has been doing it for years through medicare and Medicaid.

The distinction is now #1 the standards are being imposed on the carriers by the government and #2 there is no review process established (other than what has been in place for medicare and Medicaid ... if one wants to call it a "review process") ...

If the ACA had been passed during the Bush administration .. they would be "death panels"!

And these same nay-sayers would be looking for a U.N. investigation and a Hague indictment.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by LexusLover

The government has been doing it for years through medicare and Medicaid.

The distinction is now #1 the standards are being imposed on the carriers by the government and #2 there is no review process established (other than what has been in place for medicare and Medicaid ... if one wants to call it a "review process") ...

If the ACA had been passed during the Bush administration .. they would be "death panels"!

And these same nay-sayers would be looking for a U.N. investigation and a Hague indictment.

You might be right about that. The Democrats vilified Ryan and his voucher plan. The fact of the matter is that both sides mislead the masses on factual information on the cost of health care. All I have been saying is that that included Sarah Palin and her bs death panels caca.

[chefnerd]

Interesting, apparently some people are unaware that both the UK and Canada rank higher on the healthcare quality lists than the US. Oh yeah, these are from this year, not almost a decade ago.

http://thepatientfactor.com/canadian...ealth-systems/

http://www.iom.edu/~/media/Files/Rep...spectiveRB.pdf

[WTF]

Our numbnuts do not understand that health care in this country had gotten more and more for the rich.

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by WTF

Our numbnuts do not understand that health care in this country had gotten more and more for the rich.

Right or wrong, it's always been that way. In pre-industrial societies, the sick, lame and lazy were abandoned to nature. The unreasonable equation of access to healthcare to a universal "right" has only recently become an unreasonable burden for society at large to bear.

[chefnerd]

Quite true, but until the days of Joseph Lister, healthcare by a doctor, and especially a surgeon, may have been worse than no healthcare at all.