Term limits?

[bamscram]

When anyone is elected to office their first priority is to start working on getting reelected.

[garhkal]

Originally Posted by bambino

It goes for both parties you stupid pig. Fienstiens up for re election. She's fucking 84. Maybe it's time for her to step down. Kaitlyn Jenner is interested in running. As a Republican! Californians will be so confused. Just like you. Stupid fucking pig.

I agree. There's a max age one can be and work in most every job (even if unspoken).. SO WHY can politicains stay working till (in some cases) 80+??

Originally Posted by dilbert firestorm

20 years is too long. it shouldn't be max.

12 years is about right for each office.

every office is different and there is a learning curve involved that takes about 1-2 years to be proficient in their system.

I was saying 20 years PERIOD. So if say you did 4 in the local council, 3 in the state senate, then 4 as governor, that leaves you 9 more years if you then went to the senate/house of reps..

Originally Posted by WTF

But term limits would be good. We should have higher voter participation. If you are not in jail, you should be able to vote. More people should be invested in the system them just the politically connected.

IMO we first need to get off the voter rolls ALL those ineligible to vote (felons, illegal aliens/refugees etc), as well clean the rolls up of all those dead, who are double (or in some cases triple/quadrouple) registered. THEN we might look at making voting mandatory..

[the_real_Barleycorn]

Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

You got what you wanted, RWWipes.

????
Do you even understand what you're saying or does the stupidity just roll off your tongue naturally? Both sides have great candidates for early retirement but the democrats likewise their feeble minded where the GOP usually looks at these fossils with distaste.

Term limits protect us from other people's politicians.

[the_real_Barleycorn]

Originally Posted by dilbert firestorm

20 years is too long. it shouldn't be max.

12 years is about right for each office.

every office is different and there is a learning curve involved that takes about 1-2 years to be proficient in their system.

Four terms for a congressman, two terms for a senator, and a total of 16 years for any combination. Presidents will waived on the 16 year limit but can only have two terms.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by garhkal

IMO we first need to get off the voter rolls ALL those ineligible to vote (felons, illegal aliens/refugees etc), as well clean the rolls up of all those dead, who are double (or in some cases triple/quadrouple) registered. THEN we might look at making voting mandatory..

Why should felons not be able to vote if they have paid their debt to society?

Voting should be mandatory....it should be a national holiday. The voting booths should be open a month before the election. There should be a harsh penalty for voting if you are not a citizen. But all citizens not in jail , over 18 should be able to vote, in fact made to vote or they do not get SS/Medicare.

You should not be able to get a DL without proving you voted.

In other words...voting is where your privileges should comes from.

[I B Hankering]

Re-do the whole damn thing. Limit the president to a single six-year term. Limit a senator to three six-year terms: 18 years. Change the congressman's term to three years, and limit them to six terms: 18 years. That way you'll only need to have national elections every three years, rather than every two years, and office holders can focus more on doing their jobs rather than getting re-elected. The trade off, of course, is that it gives greater power to lobbyists who "know all of the short cuts" and never leave D.C.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

Re-do the whole damn thing. Limit the president to a single six-year term. Limit a senator to three six-year terms: 18 years. Change the congressman's term to three years, and limit them to six terms: 18 years. That way you'll only need to have national elections every three years, rather than every two years, and office holders can focus more on doing their jobs rather than getting re-elected. The trade off, of course, is that it gives greater power to lobbyists who "know all of the short cuts" and never leave D.C.

I agree with all said....except the fucking lobbyist part, they already know all the short cuts now.

[Jeffrey Spaulding]

Lobbying should be outlawed along with pac's

[WTF]

Originally Posted by Jeffrey Spaulding

Lobbying should be outlawed along with pac's

Lobbying is protected speech.

I'd like to see the money reduced but that is not gonna happen.


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[dilbert firestorm]

Originally Posted by the_real_Barleycorn

Four terms for a congressman, two terms for a senator, and a total of 16 years for any combination. Presidents will waived on the 16 year limit but can only have two terms.

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

Re-do the whole damn thing. Limit the president to a single six-year term. Limit a senator to three six-year terms: 18 years. Change the congressman's term to three years, and limit them to six terms: 18 years. That way you'll only need to have national elections every three years, rather than every two years, and office holders can focus more on doing their jobs rather than getting re-elected. The trade off, of course, is that it gives greater power to lobbyists who "know all of the short cuts" and never leave D.C.

I actually would like to see some changes on the terms for congressman and senators.

since both are elected positions. I'd like to see 3 year terms for both congressman & senators.

6 years is too long for an elected senator.
6 years made sense for an appointed position prior to the passage of the 17th amendment. It just leads to abuse of power. you can see how stinky the senate is.

senate classes would also be eliminated.

with respect to the congressman's current 2 year term, the problem with it is that during the 2nd term they are spending much of their time campaigning.

extending the election cycle by 3 years is also a good reason.

total of 9 or 12 year term for either position.

I favor having the president having a 3 terms in office for a total of 12 years.

[bambino]

Originally Posted by WTF

I agree with all said....except the fucking lobbyist part, they already know all the short cuts now.

He meant they already know the short cuts. It's called money.

[dilbert firestorm]

Originally Posted by Jeffrey Spaulding

Lobbying should be outlawed along with pac's

Originally Posted by WTF

Lobbying is protected speech.

I'd like to see the money reduced but that is not gonna happen.


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won't happen.

a much better alternative is increase the size of the House and also increase the number of senators per state from 2 to 3.

Make washington D.C. a true govt. facility by kicking out the lobbyists offices out of D.C. and get rid of civilians living there as well by ceding the part of the city back to either Virginia or Maryland. the rest that is not part of the D.C. govt facility can be condemned or bulldozed.

It would make D.C.'s one electoral college vote moot.

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by WTF

I agree with all said....except the fucking lobbyist part, they already know all the short cuts now.

Yes. That's the reason they'll have more power than they presently do. Congressmen are already too eager to turn to them for advice to reduce their own work load. Insuring a higher level of congressional turn over guaranteeing a greater number of "newbies" will give lobbyists greater power.

Originally Posted by dilbert firestorm

I actually would like to see some changes on the terms for congressman and senators.

since both are elected positions. I'd like to see 3 year terms for both congressman & senators.

6 years is too long for an elected senator.
6 years made sense for an appointed position prior to the passage of the 17th amendment. It just leads to abuse of power. you can see how stinky the senate is.

senate classes would also be eliminated.

with respect to the congressman's current 2 year term, the problem with it is that during the 2nd term they are spending much of their time campaigning.

extending the election cycle by 3 years is also a good reason.

total of 9 or 12 year term for either position.

I favor having the president having a 3 terms in office for a total of 12 years.

FDR demonstrated letting someone serve 3 terms as president gives too much power to one man. He served twelve years, one month and eight days as president.

Yes. Repeal the 17th Amendment, but give the power back to state legislatures and not to governors as some states practiced before the 17th Amendment.

[garhkal]

Originally Posted by WTF

Why should felons not be able to vote if they have paid their debt to society?

Just cause they are out of jail does NOT mean they paid their debt. Especially with many places releasing prisnoners early cause of overcrowding...

Originally Posted by WTF

Voting should be mandatory....it should be a national holiday. The voting booths should be open a month before the election. There should be a harsh penalty for voting if you are not a citizen. But all citizens not in jail , over 18 should be able to vote, in fact made to vote or they do not get SS/Medicare.

I agree the day of votes should be a holiday, but disagree it should be mandatory, with harsh penalties for not voting.. MANY of us use our right to free expression by NOT voting cause neither of the turds running are worthy of our vote.. By forcing us to vote, you are in essence denying us our free expression..

Originally Posted by WTF

You should not be able to get a DL without proving you voted.

Since there are dozens of states that issue drivers licenses to illegal invaders, and there are potentially MILLIONS on the rolls who shouldn't be, imo that is backwards..

Originally Posted by WTF

In other words...voting is where your privileges should comes from.

It should be...
BUT till we stop all illegals from voting (and clean out all the duplicate/dead voters from rolls, as well as get rid of all other forms of voting fraud) imo it is too problematic to require people to vote to get any benefit.
HECK i also feel those on welfare should not vote as they are effectively a ward of the state..

Originally Posted by WTF

I agree with all said....except the fucking lobbyist part, they already know all the short cuts now.

Then get RID OF lobbiests..

Originally Posted by WTF

Lobbying is protected speech.

How so? And if it's protected speech, what of all the rest of us who CAN'T afford lobbyiests? Are we then being denied OUR free speech??

[dilbert firestorm]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

Yes. That's the reason they'll have more power than they presently do. Congressmen are already too eager to turn to them for advice to reduce their own work load. Insuring a higher level of congressional turn over guaranteeing a greater number of "newbies" will give lobbyists greater power.



FDR demonstrated letting someone serve 3 terms as president gives too much power to one man. He served twelve years, one month and eight days as president.

Yes. Repeal the 17th Amendment, but give the power back to state legislatures and not to governors as some states practiced before the 17th Amendment.

not quite. FDR served 4 terms. he died in his 4th term in office. thats the one month 8 days you mentioned.

WWII was a unique period for a president to be a war time leader thru 4 terms.

you can be sure of a lot of resentment by the republicans who couldn't defeat him prior to WWII which is why they passed the 2 term amendment. this was out of spite.

FDR was a popular president for his time.

besides congressman, senators & president should be on the same footing term wise other wise the president would be deemed a lame duck in his final term where congressman & senators face no such drag. (assuming a 2 term 8 year presidency vs. 4 term 12 year congressman/senator) you can see why this is not balanced.

the Constitution is about balance of power. you give one side more power than it should, it will create problems. that balance has been broken for some time.