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dilbert firestorm · 10-08-2017, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by dilbert firestorm

simplest motive is.... a lifetime of notoriety.

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Originally Posted by WTF

While the simplistic part of your speculation is true, the fact of the matter is it is nothing more than speculation.

So far you and LexusLover are the only people I know who know the shooters motive. You two should get on a plane, fly to Vegas and let the Authorities know of your brilliant findings!

upset that I was the first one to come up with this motive? lol!

the why he did does not really matter.

WTF · 10-09-2017, 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by dilbert firestorm

upset that I was the first one to come up with this motive? lol!

the why he did does not really matter.

Why he did it does not matter?

That is the MOTIVE.

That is wtf a MOTIVE is.

That is wtf they are trying to find out. The WHY. Why the fuck did he do this? What was his MOTIVE.

It does not matter to the dead people. I'll give you that.

Why do you think only you LexusLiar and bambino have figured out the MOTIVE?

Doesn't that give you pause?

Like hey there are only three of us who have figured this out, maybe we aren't seeing something.... like wtf a MOTIVE actually is. Not the CONSEQUENCE of the action.

You like LL and bambino have confused the two.

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goodman0422 · 10-09-2017, 10:11 PM

Motive is important. If we know why he did it, we might be able to prevent it from happening again.

If it does happen again, understanding motive could help LE more effectively eliminate the threat before more lives are lost. And if it does happen again, LE may be able to commincate and negotiate and take the bastard(s) down alive. Then we really might learn something.Only after we think we have a complete story should we (after convivtion, of course) slice up the convicts brain to look for additional findings. (And yes, I know this can be done w a CT scan)

It may also tell us if there were others involved. If there were, perhaps they can still be brought to justice. (This would happen before slicing his or her brain up)

LexusLover · 10-10-2017, 06:03 AM

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Originally Posted by goodman0422

Motive is important.

#1: ...we might be able to prevent it from happening again.

#2: If it does happen again, understanding motive could help LE more effectively eliminate the threat before more lives are lost.

#3: It may also tell us if there were others involved.

As to #1 and #2, if that were the case our jails and prisons would be empty. We've had other "mass killings" and their "motives" didn't prevent this one.

#3: The reverse is true in the investigation. Determining if others were involved and/or their involvement might reveal "motive."

"Motive" is not necessary to establish "guilt" of the murders, and since he is dead there is no need to "prove" the murders. IMO the "search" for a "motive" at this point and all the hand wringing about a "motive" is purely an attempt to shift "blame" on a political or social group ... like blaming the NRA for the weapons he had. It's a "political" interest and not a legal one.

His motive to cause people to suffer is sufficient. Look around this forum ... same motive for the derogatory and offensive accusations and name-calling. The motive is to cause people to be uncomfortable posting so what they have to say won't be said.

Do I need to cite examples?

WTF · 10-10-2017, 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by LexusLover

His motive to cause people to suffer is sufficient. ?

What was the MOTIVE of the United States to nuke Japan?

Was is to cause people to suffer or was it to save American Soldiers lives from an invasion in Japan? After all we killed hundreds of thousands innocent lives....in your imaginary court of law , were we guilty of murder? ...after all thousands of innocent lives suffered.

So while you continue to confuse MOTIVE with CONSEQUENCE of his actions. The rest of Law Enforcement will continue to look for his actual MOTIVE.

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Originally Posted by LexusLover

"Motive" is not necessary to establish "guilt" of the murders, and since he is dead there is no need to "prove" the murders.

His motive to cause people to suffer is sufficient.

Sufficient for what Counselor? He is not being charged with murder so there has been no legal basis that established his MOTIVE was to cause people to suffer. So you sir are speculating as to what a legal finding would have been had he lived. When did you set up this imaginary court of law of yours?

Mean while the search for his actual MOTIVE continues. Despite your and dilbert's assentation that you already know it. You think it was because he wanted to inflict pain and suffering and dilbert thinks he wanted the infamy. I'm still not sure why Las Vegas PD hasn't contacted you two Sleuth Solvers.

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flghtr65 · 10-10-2017, 06:47 AM

They may never find the motive. He had anxiety attacks and had a prescription for Valium. He even had a Valium doctor on retainer as he gambled in the casino. Anyone with a prescription for Valium should not be allowed to buy 40 plus semi-automatic rifles.

WTF · 10-10-2017, 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by goodman0422

Motive is important. If we know why he did it, we might be able to prevent it from happening again.

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Yes MOTIVE is important...despite what LexusLover tries to say.

He made an ignorant statement and instead of admitting as much , he is doubling down on it.

Maybe we will just assign it to evil like we did 9/11 instead of realizing that Osama was trying to drag us into war.

bambino · 10-10-2017, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by WTF

Yes MOTIVE is important...despite what LexusLover tries to say.

He made an ignorant statement and instead of admitting as much , he is doubling down on it.

Maybe we will just assign it to evil like we did 9/11 instead of realizing that Osama was trying to drag us into war.

Do you actually believe half of the moronic shit you post? Was UBL trying to drag us into war? Was that his MOTIVE? Didn't Radical Islam declare war on the West in the 70's? What a fucking genius.

gnadfly · 10-10-2017, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by LexusLover

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"Motive" is not necessary to establish "guilt" of the murders, and since he is dead there is no need to "prove" the murders. .....

Do I need to cite examples?

You need to dumb this down to something WTF can understand like a country lyric or a Disney movie.

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Originally Posted by flghtr65

They may never find the motive. He had anxiety attacks and had a prescription for Valium. He even had a Valium doctor on retainer as he gambled in the casino. Anyone with a prescription for Valium should not be allowed to buy 40 plus semi-automatic rifles.

Another Obamacare victory! Dude, there are millions of people operating 3500lb vehicles that can go 100 who have prescriptions for valium. And they are on there cell phones. On the way to the casino with big chucks of their net worth.

Give me a game plan to get your proposal implemented. I need another belly laugh!

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Do you actually believe half of the moronic shit you post?

It is worse than that. WTF believes the shit he makes up about what other people says ("So what you are telling me is...followed by a straw man unrelated to the original post). The moromic shit he posts is often followed by clarification that makes his stupid hole deeper.

goodolboy · 10-10-2017, 02:41 PM

The FBI keeps changing the facts around.

"Law enforcement authorities on Monday made a significant change to the timeline of the Las Vegas mass shooting, saying the gunman shot a hotel security guard before he opened fire on concert-goers."

"It was not immediately clear why the timeline of the shooting changed a week later and what the impact could be on the investigation."

http://abc7ny.com/authorities-make-s...eline/2514155/

the_real_Barleycorn · 10-10-2017, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by flghtr65

They may never find the motive. He had anxiety attacks and had a prescription for Valium. He even had a Valium doctor on retainer as he gambled in the casino. Anyone with a prescription for Valium should not be allowed to buy 40 plus semi-automatic rifles.

If not 40 then how about 20? How about ten? What if they are not semi-automatic? What if it is not Valium but Ambien? So many questions, so few real answers.

As for a CT scan to determine is someone is likely to commit such a crime, so what do you do with someone who trips the exam but has yet to commit any crime against anyone?

LexusLover · 10-10-2017, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by goodolboy

The FBI keeps changing the facts around.

"Law enforcement authorities on Monday made a significant change to the timeline of the Las Vegas mass shooting, saying the gunman shot a hotel security guard before he opened fire on concert-goers."

"It was not immediately clear why the timeline of the shooting changed a week later and what the impact could be on the investigation."

http://abc7ny.com/authorities-make-s...eline/2514155/

At the first press conference locals and Feds said timelines and other facts might change as they obtain additional information. They stated they were reluctant to give any information unless they felt comfortable with what they knew, but provided the caveat that in the interest of providing some information they may have to modify it later as the investigation progressed. They asked for "patience"!

You people need to get a grip. If they say nothing then the loons come out whining conspiracy. If they say something and have to modify or clarify it then the same loons come out and whine conspiracy. And the media is helpful by putting their own agenda-spin to what is reported.

Look at the fools posting on here! Should I list them:

AssUp ... claiming there a no sharks off Galveston Beach
WTF ... claiming making people suffer isn't a motive
SissyLips ... no clue as to what he claims
ButtScramble ... mostly gurgling and babbling.

Why explain shit to them? They don't care and wouldn't understand. It's their McDonald's mentality. Same as a 24/7 news cycle.

LexusLover · 10-10-2017, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by the_real_Barleycorn

If not 40 then how about 20? How about ten? What if they are not semi-automatic? What if it is not Valium but Ambien? So many questions, so few real answers.

As for a CT scan to determine is someone is likely to commit such a crime, so what do you do with someone who trips the exam but has yet to commit any crime against anyone?

I suppose it would be too much to ask for someone to wait until the toxicology reports come back from the autopsy, along with the forensic report about how much "brain damage" he had from the tumor speculated to be in his skull ... after they scraped up all his brains into a bag at the scene so they can be properly analyzed.

Next thing you know the Liberals are gonna want monthly "substance" testing and psych-eval for any one issued a CHL or anyone purchasing a firearm.

Of course asking the same of them as a prerequisite to voting, getting a driver's license, or a marriage license would be over the top! Oh about before being able to buy a condom?

goodolboy · 10-10-2017, 03:56 PM

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At the first press conference locals and Feds said timelines and other facts might change as they obtain additional information. .

So we are to believe that the small detail of Jesus the security guard ending the shooting rampage by being engaged by the shooter, and a hero for doing so, to the new story a week later that now Jesus the security guard was the first person shot, and after that the shooter opened fire on the crowd.

It's not like they can't just talk to Jesus and ask him what happened, why did it take a week to change this rather huge detail? I call bull shit. Why did the story change so radically when they have had full access to the witness Jesus the whole time?

LexusLover · 10-10-2017, 04:06 PM

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So we are to believe ...

... how many times over the years have you heard something reported and drawn a conclusion from the initial disclosure, but later on after a more complete investigation the facts as originally reported are modified, clarified, and/or recanted and replaced with the correct information?

That's the danger of releasing information to the press ....

... and worse yet, leaks, which are usually partial, incomplete, and tainted!

The person standing up there answering questions is repeating what he was told (as he recalls it) ... I've seen the Sheriff ask someone off camera several times about specifics and passes on answering the question. Again, there have been numerous caveats! I'm not saying it's the case here: but they will release false information and wait for it to come back to them from a source with whom they are interacting ... and they will not mention key elements so that fake sources can't know those elements so they can verify if someone knows what the fuck they are talking about to them ....

.. this investigation is still ongoing and sounds international in scope.

I realize this is a 55 minute "Law and Order" segment, or even an hour and 45 minute movie with popcorn ....

.. but if you really want to know what's going on ....

just ask WTF, AssUp, ButtScramble, or SissyLips!!!