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Old 06-23-2019, 12:42 PM   #76
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Trump backed down from doing his duty to his shithole country, he's a pussy get over it. He backed down from striking back at Iran, get over it...
Uh-huh. So if he had gone ahead with the strikes you would have been in the front row of those whole-heartedly applauding him for doing the right thing??

Just want to make sure everyone knows where you're coming from... so you're the British John Bolton?
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Old 06-23-2019, 01:05 PM   #77
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This is what thoughtful, intelligent criticism of Trump's decision-making on Iran looks like... but hey, if you're incapable of making thoughtful or intelligent points, just continue to call him a "pussy"!


Iran Calls Trump’s Bluff

The President is caught between hawkish goals and dovish means.

By The Editorial Board
June 21, 2019 6:47 pm ET

President Trump called off a military strike against Iran in mid-mission Thursday, and his supporters and even some of his critics are hailing it as an act of restraint and courage. The question for American interests is whether Iran and other adversaries will see it instead as a sign of weakness and indecision.

“We were cocked & loaded to retaliate last night on 3 different sights when I asked, how many will die. 150 people, sir, was the answer from a General. 10 minutes before the strike I stopped it, not proportionate to shooting down an unmanned drone,” Mr. Trump tweeted Friday morning.

It’s important to understand how extraordinary this is. The Commander in Chief ordered ships and planes into battle but recalled them because he hadn’t asked in advance what the damage and casualties might be? While the planes were in the air, he asked, oh, by the way? This is hard to take at face value.

More likely, he changed his mind because he had second thoughts about the military and political consequences of engaging in a conflict he promised as a candidate to avoid. Mr. Trump may have saved Iranian lives now, but his indecision and professed fear of casualties may be risking more American lives later.

Squeezed by the U.S. “maximum pressure” campaign, Iran’s rulers are trying to pressure Mr. Trump in return. In recent weeks they have attacked oil pipelines, mined oil tankers, and this week brazenly shot down a $130 million U.S. drone monitoring shipping lanes over international waters. Iran’s bet is that Mr. Trump is so averse to military confrontation that he will ease U.S. sanctions. On the evidence of the aborted mission, they may be right.

The damage from Mr. Trump’s stand-down depends in part on how Iran’s leaders respond. If they agree to talks to revise the 2015 nuclear agreement, the restraint might pay off. Yet Iran’s leaders have shown no interest in talking as long as U.S. sanctions are in place. If Mr. Trump eases sanctions to get Iran to the bargaining table, he is back to the Obama nuclear deal.

On the other hand if the Iranians escalate again, Mr. Trump’s restraint will look misguided and weak. If Americans are now killed by Iranian proxies, his failure to use force to deter attacks will deserve some of the blame.

Laying out these potential stakes isn’t “war mongering,” as the new isolationists on the right claim. This is the reality of geopolitics in which credibility is crucial to deterrence. The more that adversaries think Mr. Trump’s threats of force aren’t credible, the more they will seek to exploit that knowledge.

After Barack Obama failed to enforce his “red line” in Syria in 2013, adversaries soon took advantage. Vladimir Putin snatched Crimea from Ukraine and moved into Syria, China pushed further into the South China Sea, and Iran expanded its proxy wars in the Middle East. Will they draw similar license now from Mr. Trump’s stand-down?

The great weakness of Donald Trump’s foreign policy is its volatility. He is unpredictable to a fault. He has doubted his own Venezuela policy from the first week he signed off on it. He called Kim Jong Un crazy but now says he’s a swell guy. He signed a trade deal with Mexico then threatened it with new tariffs.

On Iran he has adopted a policy goal favored by hawkish Sen. Lindsey Graham but wants to use only the means of isolationist Sen. Rand Paul to achieve it. He warned that “if Iran wants to fight, that will be the official end of Iran,” but he lets Iran shoot down a drone and interfere with international shipping.

If Mr. Trump’s real policy is Mr. Paul’s, then he should be honest with Americans and return to the Obama nuclear deal. In the meantime, Iran appears to be calling Mr. Trump’s bluff.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/iran-ca...ff-11561157239
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Uh-huh. So if he had gone ahead with the strikes you would have been in the front row of those whole-heartedly applauding him for doing the right thing??

Just want to make sure everyone knows where you're coming from... so you're the British John Bolton?
If Trump had not ordered to halt the strike, LM would be crying about how Trump over reached because killing 150 people wasn't worth an unmanned drone. LM talks from both sides of his mouth.


LM has dillusions that NK a and Venezuela are anything but a fucking joke to the US. Google "Venezuela makes video to intimidate US marines".

Our girlscouts would offer to sell the Venezuelan army some cookies before bitch slapping them back to South America.

Some US spec ops should dip their nuts in Korean BQQ and tea bag rocket man before putting his brains out in the light of day.

China and Russia....fuck them. They will lose and we'd help them rebuild because that's what we do for reasons beyond my understanding.

They won't do shit because at the end of the day we bank roll them.


LM, why don't you worry about your own fucking country? Return to it if you've got such a problem with ours.
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Old 06-23-2019, 01:49 PM   #79
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Trump backed down from doing his duty to his shithole country, he's a pussy get over it. He backed down from striking back at Iran, get over it.
Trump's not backing down, he's just looking for some more convincing pretexts to launch his military aggression against Iran because he'll be condemned by the international community for killing a bunch of "brown" people, while the Iranians chose not to shoot down a U.S. spy plane full of our servicemen and women. But rest assured that Trump and his hawkish warmongering SOBs will keep sending manned spy planes along with unmanned drones to provoke a military carnage with Iran. It just shows what unconscionable POS Trump and his bitches Bolton and Pompeo truly are.


https://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/l...-presstv01.htm
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Old 06-23-2019, 01:56 PM   #80
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If it hadn't been for the backward United States you and Andy Marksman would be German speaking butt buddies.
Funny that the insult is coming from someone who's proficient in German...
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Old 06-23-2019, 02:16 PM   #81
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But rest assured that Trump and his hawkish warmongering SOBs will keep sending manned spy planes along with unmanned drones to provoke a military carnage with Iran. It just shows what unconscionable POS Trump and his bitches Bolton and Pompeo truly are.
Wow... you really need to brush up on your history! Did you forget about this incident?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E...Q-170_incident

At least Trump didn't let Iran cyber-hijack our unmanned drone, land it safely in Iran, capture it intact and then copy its technology!!

Btw little andy, we've been protecting the international shipping lanes in the Persian Gulf for four decades now. Look up the Carter Doctrine. How "unconscionable" was that policy proclamation?

Was Jimmy Carter a "hawkish warmongering SOB"???
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Trump's not backing down, he's just looking for some more convincing pretexts to launch his military aggression against Iran because he'll be condemned by the international community for killing a bunch of "brown" people, while the Iranians chose not to shoot down a U.S. spy plane full of our servicemen and women. But rest assured that Trump and his hawkish warmongering SOBs will keep sending manned spy planes along with unmanned drones to provoke a military carnage with Iran. It just shows what unconscionable POS Trump and his bitches Bolton and Pompeo truly are.


https://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/l...-presstv01.htm

Iranians aren't brown.... you're confusing them with arabs. arabs they're not.
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Iranians aren't brown.... you're confusing them with arabs. arabs they're not.
They all look alike to little andy....
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Old 06-23-2019, 04:42 PM   #84
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Iranians aren't brown.... you're confusing them with arabs. arabs they're not.
May be he's confusing them with "Mescans"?



His "problem" is there are blonde, redheaded, and fair skinned "Mescans"* ....

..... probably "whiter" than he is.

Like "Mexican," "Iranian" is a nationality.

Now back to disparaging and insulting racial remarks.

*Not MY WORD .... a quote from some annunciations I've heard! Also, there are Middle Easterners who have been caught and identified as such attempting to sneak into our country with the "caravans"! They can blend in!!!!!
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Why doesn't everybody just accept the President's explanation that he did not wish to kill 130 or more Iranian citizens in retaliation for the shooting down of an unmanned drone.

That's like throwing people in prison for shoplifting.

The prudent action is to see what happens in the next week or so.
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Lest we forget how Bill Clinton destroyed a pharmaceutical factory in the Sudan in the wee hours of the morning killing the overnight cleaning crew or that intelligence building he hit with a cruise missile at 3 am in Iraq. Dems have no respect for third shift workers.
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May be he's confusing them with "Mescans"?



His "problem" is there are blonde, redheaded, and fair skinned "Mescans"* ....

..... probably "whiter" than he is.

Like "Mexican," "Iranian" is a nationality.

Now back to disparaging and insulting racial remarks.

*Not MY WORD .... a quote from some annunciations I've heard! Also, there are Middle Easterners who have been caught and identified as such attempting to sneak into our country with the "caravans"! They can blend in!!!!!

many Iranians disagree on the race classification... dunno what to call them.

Are Arabs and Iranians white? Census says yes, but many disagree
https://www.latimes.com/projects/la-...h-africa-race/
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Why doesn't everybody just accept the President's explanation that he did not wish to kill 130 or more Iranian citizens in retaliation for the shooting down of an unmanned drone.

That's like throwing people in prison for shoplifting.

The prudent action is to see what happens in the next week or so.
Correct. Trump did the right thing in my opinion.
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presidents one and all. fair game. and Q Lizzie II on her fat ass in the motor pool. it's a leadership thing.

my dad took 2 deferments in Korea. what ya think of that??
and fyi he did serve in the Army.

So the person who helped create you served during Korea. No wonder why America got it's ass beat in that war as well. But what does that have to do with Trump being a draft dodging wuss who backed down from striking back at Iran?


and tell us again why you left the "great" UK for the "shithole" USA?

U-S-A!
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I was born here in Austin, so I never left genius
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I was born here in Austin, so I never left genius

then explain your hatred for "shithole" America, Anglophile.

so which of your parents is the Brit? mumsy? daddy?


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