Obama Fabrication:

[Boltfan]

Doove,

You are also an amazing asshole. I gave you guys the benefit of the doubt that your boy didn't just lie about the situation and you still are a prick about it. You say he was raised by his grandmother and that is why he uses father instead of grandfather. Does he call his grandmother mother as well? If so, perfectly plausable explanation that is likely easy to cite in this day of the old internets. Why not just make mention of that situation with the explanation. What does it say about you that you have to make an ass out of yourself in an attempt to prove a point.

Someone forgot this is a SHMB.

[Guest040616]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

"Egotistical"

The “I’s” have it!

I (there I go being "Egotistical") suspect that you would not have found it in the least bit "Egotistical" if the Prez would have delivered your referenced address to the nation, shortly after landing on the deck of the Aircraft Carrier Abraham Lincoln. Apparently, you would have preferred for Obama to strut his stuff in front of the press wearing a Naval Aviator's flight suit, while standing under a huge MISSION ACCOMPLISHED sign.

Surely not, that would not be considered "Egotistical!" Now would it?

IB, it appears to me that you are having difficulty dealing with the fact that they found and killed OBL on Obama's watch and not GW's! Apparently you were ok with the fact that GW lost focus upon the perpetrators of 9/11 but not ok with Obama relocating the focus!

I suppose it is a classic case of "to each their own!" As for me, I am much happier since OBL is now sleeping with the fishes! All things considered, it certainly made 9/11/2011 much more meaningful to me! We finally have a little closure!

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by bigtex

All things considered, it certainly made 9/11/2011 much more meaningful to me! We finally have a little closure!

Did something close?

[Guest040616]

Originally Posted by LexusLover

Did something close?

I would have said they closed the lid on OBL's coffin but we both know they buried him at sea! Either way, it is the same effect!

As far as I am concerned the world is a much better place without OBL breathing our air!

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by bigtex

As far as I am concerned the world is a much better place without OBL breathing our air!

He deserved and earned his demise, and "we" are better off without him. It is probably not a good idea to focus too narrowly on OBL as "the war on terror."

But the world is not a "much better place," and current events are proving it. In my opinion the wimp we have in the White House is perceived as such through out the world and that is not a good thing at all for us.

[Guest040616]

Originally Posted by LexusLover

But the world is not a "much better place," and current events are proving it.

That is a matter of opinion and you know what they say about "opinions!" At the end of the day, you have your opinion and I have mine!

Despite your obvious attempt to change my opinion, I firmly believe "the world is a much better place without OBL breathing our air!" You are obviously free to believe otherwise, should you choose to do so! It certainly is not the first time we have disagreed and I doubt it will be the last. If I am not mistaken, we vehemently disagreed on the spring of 2003 WMD issue. Did we not? The fact that we had a stark difference of opinion on the WMD issue, sure as hell did not make your opinion correct! Did it?

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by bigtex

I (there I go being "Egotistical") suspect that you would not have found it in the least bit "Egotistical" if the Prez would have delivered your referenced address to the nation, shortly after landing on the deck of the Aircraft Carrier Abraham Lincoln. Apparently, you would have preferred for Obama to strut his stuff in front of the press wearing a Naval Aviator's flight suit, while standing under a huge MISSION ACCOMPLISHED sign.

Surely not, that would not be considered "Egotistical!" Now would it?

There you go looking through those Dimocrap colored glasses again. They do color your perception, you know. Bush's “Mission Accomplished” speech (BTW, Saddam was deposed) – again with no “I’s”: "We have difficult work to do in Iraq. We are bringing order to parts of that country that remain dangerous. Our mission continues . . . The War on Terror continues, yet it is not endless. We do not know the day of final victory, but we have seen the turning of the tide."

One battle was over, and a new ones were just beginning, and Bush acknowledged that fact.

Nothing you wrote mitigates the egotism in the Anointed One's self-serving speech. No doubt he would have worn an aviator's flight suit, or other uniform, on occasion had he troubled himself to serve; but alas, he did not. No doubt, that is why he tries so hard to co-opt the lime light that rightfully belongs to his uncle and grandfather who did serve.

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

There you go ...

IBH, please do not confuse BT with facts that conflict with ....

.. his .... errrrr .... perceptions from the op-ed pages of the Chronicle, et al.

Note to BT: I wouldn't even attempt to "change your mind" ... I know better.

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by bigtex

If I am not mistaken, we vehemently disagreed on the spring of 2003 WMD issue. Did we not? The fact that we had a stark difference of opinion on the WMD issue, sure as hell did not make your opinion correct! Did it?

Yet another opportunity to address your Monday morning quarterbacking ....

“The war against Iraq has highlighted the challenge of obtaining reliable intelligence against a so-called “hard target.” While some charge that the Bush Administration exaggerated or manipulated the available intelligence, the fact is that all responsible officials from the Clinton and Bush administrations and, I believe, most Members of Congress genuinely believed that Saddam Hussein had active WMD programs. While it is too early to declare that belief to be entirely wrong, I think we all have been surprised by the inability to find meaningful evidence of such active WMD programs.

“Statement of William S. Cohen to the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks upon the United States” March 23, 2004

http://govinfo.library.unt.edu/911/hearings/hearing8/cohen_statement.pdf

Again, it's too bad you didn't fully brief all those ignorant CIA folks .. before the invasion (based on the Congressional approval).

I think Obaminable ought to keep you in mind when he starts looking for all of those jobs he is creating ... you must know where they are at?

[Guest040616]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

There you go looking through those Dimocrap colored glasses again. They do color your perception, you know. Bush's “Mission Accomplished” speech (BTW, Saddam was deposed) – again with no “I’s”: "We have difficult work to do in Iraq. We are bringing order to parts of that country that remain dangerous. Our mission continues . . . The War on Terror continues, yet it is not endless. We do not know the day of final victory, but we have seen the turning of the tide."

One battle was over, and a new ones were just beginning, and Bush acknowledged that fact.

Nothing you wrote mitigates the egotism in the Anointed One's self-serving speech. No doubt he would have worn an aviator's flight suit, or other uniform, on occasion had he troubled himself to serve; but alas, he did not. No doubt, that is why he tries so hard to co-opt the lime light that rightfully belongs to his uncle and grandfather who did serve.

Apparently IB did not agree with the "I's" in Obama's speech but he seems to be totally oblivious to the "I's" in GW's Mission Accomplished speech. Why am "I" not surprised?

AP) Remarks by President Bush announcing the end of major combat operations in Iraq Thursday evening from the deck of the USS Abraham Lincoln:

Admiral Kelly, Captain Card, officers and sailors of the USS Abraham Lincoln, my fellow Americans: Major combat operations in Iraq have ended. In the Battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed. And now our coalition is engaged in securing and reconstructing that country.

In this battle, we have fought for the cause of liberty, and for the peace of the world. Our nation and our coalition are proud of this accomplishment — yet it is you, the members of the United States military, who achieved it. Your courage — your willingness to face danger for your country and for each other — made this day possible. Because of you, our nation is more secure. Because of you, the tyrant has fallen, and Iraq is free.

Operation Iraqi Freedom was carried out with a combination of precision, and speed, and boldness the enemy did not expect, and the world had not seen before. From distant bases or ships at sea, we sent planes and missiles that could destroy an enemy division, or strike a single bunker. Marines and soldiers charged to Baghdad across 350 miles of hostile ground, in one of the swiftest advances of heavy arms in history. You have shown the world the skill and the might of the American Armed Forces.

This nation thanks all of the members of our coalition who joined in a noble cause. We thank the Armed Forces of the United Kingdom, Australia, and Poland, who shared in the hardships of war. We thank all of the citizens of Iraq who welcomed our troops and joined in the liberation of their own country. And tonight, I have a special word for Secretary (Donald) Rumsfeld, for General (Tommy) Franks, and for all the men and women who wear the uniform of the United States: America is grateful for a job well done.

The character of our military through history — the daring of Normandy, the fierce courage of Iwo Jima, the decency and idealism that turned enemies into allies — is fully present in this generation. When Iraqi civilians looked into the faces of our servicemen and women, they saw strength, and kindness, and good will. When I look at the members of the United States military, I see the best of our country, and I am honored to be your commander in chief.

In the images of fallen statues, we have witnessed the arrival of a new era. For a hundred years of war, culminating in the nuclear age, military technology was designed and deployed to inflict casualties on an ever-growing scale. In defeating Nazi Germany and imperial Japan, Allied Forces destroyed entire cities, while enemy leaders who started the conflict were safe until the final days. Military power was used to end a regime by breaking a nation. Today, we have the greater power to free a nation by breaking a dangerous and aggressive regime. With new tactics and precision weapons, we can achieve military objectives without directing violence against civilians. No device of man can remove the tragedy from war. Yet it is a great advance when the guilty have far more to fear from war than the innocent.

In the images of celebrating Iraqis, we have also seen the ageless appeal of human freedom. Decades of lies and intimidation could not make the Iraqi people love their oppressors or desire their own enslavement. Men and women in every culture need liberty like they need food, and water, and air. Everywhere that freedom arrives, humanity rejoices. And everywhere that freedom stirs, let tyrants fear.

We have difficult work to do in Iraq. We are bringing order to parts of that country that remain dangerous. We are pursuing and finding leaders of the old regime, who will be held to account for their crimes. We have begun the search for hidden chemical and biological weapons, and already know of hundreds of sites that will be investigated. We are helping to rebuild Iraq, where the dictator built palaces for himself, instead of hospitals and schools. And we will stand with the new leaders of Iraq as they establish a government of, by, and for the Iraqi people. The transition from dictatorship to democracy will take time, but it is worth every effort. Our coalition will stay until our work is done. And then we will leave — and we will leave behind a free Iraq.

The Battle of Iraq is one victory in a war on terror that began on September the 11th, 2001, and still goes on. That terrible morning, 19 evil men — the shock troops of a hateful ideology — gave America and the civilized world a glimpse of their ambitions. They imagined, in the words of one terrorist, that September the 11th would be the "beginning of the end of America." By seeking to turn our cities into killing fields, terrorists and their allies believed that they could destroy this nation's resolve, and force our retreat from the world. They have failed.

In the Battle of Afghanistan, we destroyed the Taliban, many terrorists, and the camps where they trained. We continue to help the Afghan people lay roads, restore hospitals, and educate all of their children. Yet we also have dangerous work to complete. As I speak, a special operations task force, led by the 82nd Airborne, is on the trail of the terrorists, and those who seek to undermine the free government of Afghanistan. America and our coalition will finish what we have begun.

From Pakistan to the Philippines to the Horn of Africa, we are hunting down al-Qaida killers. Nineteen months ago, I pledged that the terrorists would not escape the patient justice of the United States. And as of tonight, nearly one-half of al-Qaida's senior operatives have been captured or killed.

The liberation of Iraq is a crucial advance in the campaign against terror. We have removed an ally of al-Qaida, and cut off a source of terrorist funding. And this much is certain: No terrorist network will gain weapons of mass destruction from the Iraqi regime, because the regime is no more.

In these 19 months that changed the world, our actions have been focused, and deliberate, and proportionate to the offense. We have not forgotten the victims of September the 11th — the last phone calls, the cold murder of children, the searches in the rubble. With those attacks, the terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States. And war is what they got.

Our war against terror is proceeding according to principles that I have made clear to all:

Any person involved in committing or planning terrorist attacks against the American people becomes an enemy of this country, and a target of American justice.

Any person, organization, or government that supports, protects, or harbors terrorists is complicit in the murder of the innocent, and equally guilty of terrorist crimes.

Any outlaw regime that has ties to terrorist groups, and seeks or possesses weapons of mass destruction, is a grave danger to the civilized world, and will be confronted.

And anyone in the world, including the Arab world, who works and sacrifices for freedom has a loyal friend in the United States of America.

Our commitment to liberty is America's tradition — declared at our founding, affirmed in Franklin Roosevelt's Four Freedoms, asserted in the Truman Doctrine, and in Ronald Reagan's challenge to an evil empire. We are committed to freedom in Afghanistan, in Iraq, and in a peaceful Palestine. The advance of freedom is the surest strategy to undermine the appeal of terror in the world. Where freedom takes hold, hatred gives way to hope. When freedom takes hold, men and women turn to the peaceful pursuit of a better life. American values, and American interests, lead in the same direction: We stand for human liberty.

The United States upholds these principles of security and freedom in many ways — with all the tools of diplomacy, law enforcement, intelligence, and finance. We are working with a broad coalition of nations that understand the threat, and our shared responsibility to meet it. The use of force has been, and remains, our last resort. Yet all can know, friend and foe alike, that our nation has a mission: We will answer threats to our security, and we will defend the peace.

Our mission continues. Al-Qaida is wounded, not destroyed. The scattered cells of the terrorist network still operate in many nations, and we know from daily intelligence that they continue to plot against free people. The proliferation of deadly weapons remains a serious danger. The enemies of freedom are not idle, and neither are we. Our government has taken unprecedented measures to defend the homeland — and we will continue to hunt down the enemy before he can strike.

The war on terror is not over, yet it is not endless. We do not know the day of final victory, but we have seen the turning of the tide. No act of the terrorists will change our purpose, or weaken our resolve, or alter their fate. Their cause is lost. Free nations will press on to victory.

Other nations in history have fought in foreign lands and remained to occupy and exploit. Americans, following a battle, want nothing more than to return home. And that is your direction tonight. After service in the Afghan and Iraqi theaters of war — after 100,000 miles, on the longest carrier deployment in recent history — you are homeward bound. Some of you will see new family members for the first time — 150 babies were born while their fathers were on the Lincoln. Your families are proud of you, and your nation will welcome you.

We are mindful as well that some good men and women are not making the journey home. One of those who fell, Corporal Jason Mileo, spoke to his parents five days before his death. Jason's father said, "He called us from the center of Baghdad, not to brag, but to tell us he loved us. Our son was a soldier." Every name, every life, is a loss to our military, to our nation, and to the loved ones who grieve. There is no homecoming for these families. Yet we pray, in God's time, their reunion will come.

Those we lost were last seen on duty. Their final act on this earth was to fight a great evil, and bring liberty to others. All of you — all in this generation of our military — have taken up the highest calling of history. You are defending your country, and protecting the innocent from harm. And wherever you go, you carry a message of hope — a message that is ancient, and ever new. In the words of the prophet Isaiah: "To the captives, 'Come out!' and to those in darkness, 'Be free!"'

Thank you for serving our country and our cause. May God bless you all, and may God continue to bless America.

[Guest040616]

Originally Posted by LexusLover

I think Obaminable ought to keep you in mind when he starts looking for all of those jobs he is creating ... you must know where they are at?

You betcha!

I realize that it must be difficult for you to deal with those of us from the center who happen to be "right," when those of you on the far, far "right" are so often wrong!

You can quote me on that!

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by bigtex

I realize that it must be difficult for you to deal with those of us from the center who happen to be "right," when those of you on the far, far "right" are so often wrong!

So there has been a reduction in the unemployment rate, after all.

So sneaky.

Obaminable is going to shuffle the stats this time next year?

Ala, Clinton-Gore playbook from 2000!

BTW: Just because you are straddling a line ... doesn't mean you are "in the center"!

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by bigtex

Apparently IB did not agree with the "I's" in Obama's speech but he seems to be totally oblivious to the "I's" in GW's Mission Accomplished speech. Why am "I" not surprised?

This nation thanks all of the members of our coalition who joined in a noble cause. We thank the Armed Forces of the United Kingdom, Australia, and Poland, who shared in the hardships of war. We thank all of the citizens of Iraq who welcomed our troops and joined in the liberation of their own country. And tonight, I have a special word for Secretary (Donald) Rumsfeld, for General (Tommy) Franks, and for all the men and women who wear the uniform of the United States: America is grateful for a job well done.

And that you cannot see nor appreciate the difference is no great surprise.

[Guest040616]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

And that you cannot see nor appreciate the difference is no great surprise.

I can clearly see and appreciate the difference. The "difference" is that the Mission Accomplished speech should have never been given in the first place. It was a huge Bush Photo Op of monumental proportions. Our Mission against OBL and al Qaeda was far from accomplished. IMHO, GW made the worst US foreign policy blunder since the Vietnam War. He lost focus upon OBL and his gang of thugs and instead made the decision to invade Iraq in a fruitless search for WMD's that no longer existed. Need I remind you that the perpetrators of 9/11 was OBL and al Qaeda. Saddam and Iraq had absolutely nothing to do with 9/11.

You have to keep your eyes on the prize and the prize was not Iraq, it was OBL and al Qaeda! Apparently you have no problem with the US spending over a $1 trillion and losing 4500+ American lives in Iraq. As for me, I have a huge problem with that decision and I repeatedly stated as much during the build up to the spring 2003 invasion. Meanwhile the perpetrator of 9/11 remained free. Fortunately Obama regained America's focus!

Therein lies the "difference" in our respective opinions!

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by bigtex

I can certainly see and appreciate the difference. The "difference" is that GW was wrong to take the battle to Iraq in the first place. The perpetrators of 9/11 was OBL and al Qaeda. Saddam and Iraq had absolutely nothing to do with 9/11. You have to keep your eyes on the prize and the prize was not Iraq, it was OBL n=and al Qaeda! GW lost his focus upon the perpetrators of 9/11!

Therein lies the "difference" in our respective opinions!

How exactly does your post mitigate the Anointed One's obvious egotism and self-congratulatory speech?