Client controlled market: paying what you want

[PleasantSurprise]

Providers set their rates based upon whatever they decide their time is worth or however much money they want. Understood. But..........

If a provider listed desired rates on her page and gave you permission to pay her less if you thought her rate was too high, how many guys would actually see that provider AND pay her a lower rate if they thought her rate was too high?

Furthermore, what if she wanted guys to be honest and only pay her what they thought she deserved?

[Allie_Kat]

This has already been discussed NUMEROUS times. We charge what we want & you have an option to see us or not see us depending on your budget or specifications. Sometimes we run specials for less depending on how slow business is or just for kicks. I guess if you have a favorite provider that you see regularly, you might ask her if you can both come to a set rate for your sessions or "discount". Personally I only offer specials on outcalls every once in awhile & never on incalls since I only see one client per day & acquire a room just for him. I don't appreciate hagglers or cheapskates as a general rule though. No offense to anyone. We all have our wants, needs & rules.

[Misawahawk]

Yes, providers charge what they want. If you know them maybe they'll cut you a deal. However if you have to worry about the price in this hobby, I'd say take matters into your own hands. Follow Stinky's advice and you'll never go wrong, "I don't need you honey, I'll beat my dick like it owes me money."

[PleasantSurprise]

Originally Posted by Allie_Kat

This has already been discussed NUMEROUS times.

I think the thread title has been discussed. I must have failed at phrasing my question because I agree with you about providers setting their rates at whatever they want to charge, but that wasn't the question I had.

Originally Posted by Allie_Kat

We charge what we want & you have an option to see us or not see us depending on your budget or specifications. Sometimes we run specials for less depending on how slow business is or just for kicks. I guess if you have a favorite provider that you see regularly, you might ask her if you can both come to a set rate for your sessions or "discount".

I am sensing by your response you think I am a male or client, which would be an inaccurate assumption. Unless when you use the term "we" it is in reference to providers in general, and when you use the word "you" it is in reference to clients in general.

Originally Posted by Allie_Kat

Personally I only offer specials on outcalls every once in awhile & never on incalls since I only see one client per day & acquire a room just for him. I don't appreciate hagglers or cheapskates as a general rule though. No offense to anyone. We all have our wants, needs & rules.

The hypothetical scenario wasn't aimed at asking for specials or reduced fees upfront.

[cynic]

So, just to clarify...you think providers should have a "range" of pricing, and we as clients should be able to chose where in that range we are willing to pay?

Why would anyone pay more than the minimum rate of the range? I'm pretty sure that the providers DO have a range...if Provider A lists her price at say $300 per hour, I'm absolutely positive that if a client says "that's not a fair value for you time and service, here's $400" that the provider is going to say no, that's too much.

What you are asking the providers to do, they already do, they just list the minimum rate they are willing to work for. The maximum rate is whatever the client is willing to pay in addition to the minimum rate, and its referred to as "tips"

[beagledawg]

I think OLindsay had a great rate until some WK's told her she needed to charge more. So, taking the minimum is not always the case.

[Allie_Kat]

Correct. "We" as in providers & "You" as in clients.
I apologize if my assumption that you are a client was wrong.
But your last question, "What if clients only paid her what they thought she deserved", kind of ties in with everything else that I mentioned in my first reply as well.

[PleasantSurprise]

Cynic I appreciate your input. The flip side of your scenario is what I am not great at explaining.

I associate tipping with...... a client that pays over the provider's listed rate, base plus tip, or B+. Its time to come up with a term for a provider who lists her desired rates, but accepts less if you see her and think she is overpriced at her listed rate, or B-.

If the fee offered or paid is what the client feels is fair, shouldn't it go both ways? Tip if you think she deserves more, pay less if you think she deserves less?

Providers are always willing to take more than their rates, but how many providers are willing to take less than their rates? Provider could always decline future visits.

Allie, if only more providers were like you and apologized at the sight of realizing a mistake had been made. If I were a client I would reward you financially for being cool. Less hot heads and more stable women.... okay back on topic.......

[Wizard of Ahhhhs]

Originally Posted by PleasantSurprise

If the fee offered or paid is what the client feels is fair, shouldn't it go both ways? Tip if you think she deserves more, pay less if you think she deserves less?

Providers are always willing to take more than their rates, but how many providers are willing to take less than their rates? Provider could always decline future visits.

This is a "service-based" business, similar to you going to an attorney for legal assistance or to your accountant for completion of taxes. When you go to A) John Q. Lawyer or B) Henry CPA, you don't tell them, well yeah, I know you quoted me $350/hr for your services, but since you A) didn't get me out of that aggravated assault charge, or B) you weren't able to get me that $20,000 refund even though my taxable income was only $24,000, I'm only going to pay you $100 this time.

If you don't like the service they gave you, it's buyer beware. Maybe you should have done your research to see that John Q Lawyer hasn't won a case for his clients in 4 years, or that Henry CPA is currently under investigation by the IRS for fraudulent tax filings. Buyer beware... you'll probably go find someone else next time. Unfortunately, I doubt they're going to let you pay less.

And all of these services, whether it's John Q Lawyer, Henry CPA, or Mary A Provider, are going to request their fees (or retainer) up front, before services are rendered. And you're going to ask for a refund? Not likely to happen.

Now, on the other hand, if John Q Lawyer helps you dodge that murder rap, or Henry CPA gets you that huge refund, you may very well choose to pay them extra for saving your ass. That is up to you.

[The Sixth Beatle]

Another issue to consider is the nature of the 'business'. Most often, the more memorable experiences occur when provider and client 'click'. There's little doubt in my mind that the BCD activity will likely suffer if preceded by financial negotiation whereas one party (provider) may feel slighted by the other party (client) haggling over the price for the service. This is a tricky thing for both parties. For the client, it may (likely) become a case of diminishing returns. It's entirely possible that a provider may have some personal investment (beyond finances) for the amount they charge and may tie in to self-worth. To see this demonstrated, you only need to examine the fallout from baseball arbitration hearings. The player and his representative(s) offer a salary figure and the team's representatives supply a counter-offer. An arbitrator then decides on one figure or the other, no compromise. Players, whether they win the hearing or lose it, often feel hurt by the team's offer and take it personally as how their talent is perceived by their employer and this creates dissension between the player and team and affects play and future negotiations.

[The Sixth Beatle]

That being said though, if a provider offers (with no prompting or request from the client) a discount or rebate, I think that's a positive win-win situation.

"You know, I wasn't really on my game today. Take this $40 back and we'll call it even." A gallant (and intelligent) client would use this as as opportunity to be magnanimous and perhaps take steps toward creating a friendly relationship with a provider.

This happened to me about 11 years ago when a lady I saw fairly regularly offered to refund 1/3 of our regular fee because she was rushed and had to cut the appointment short. I insisted she keep the money and we still have a very good relationship to this day (Occasional BCD activities included, FOC, as she is no longer providing).

[Smoking Monkey]

I've had a situation where the BCD with my ATF was significantly shorter than what I was expecting and she could see that I was disappointed. She quickly offered a free session which more than satisfied me. A very magnamous gesture which I greatly appreciated and i still keep on seeing her. If providers have a good business sense, they would know this is a good way to keep a customer.

[luvlittlemilkers]

I had a recent meeting with A local provider. She was offering a special. We started the meeting and she was so good at it that it was over quite quickly. Afterward she told me to take back twenty of the donation for her time. I thought that was pretty cool of her. I will definitely see her again!

[b@ileythepistol]

I don't mind specials for different reasons. But one thing I hate is when someone asks my rates and then say its to high. I choose my price and you can choose if that's in your budget

[Wizard of Ahhhhs]

I've never been offered money back, but have on occasion (as I am sure everyone has) been offered more OTC time for the next visit, due to being rushed or just not feelin' it.