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ICU 812 · 07-24-2019, 04:26 PM

There is a thread in the Houston Area Co-Ed forum that supports the practice of giving a provider a deposit before the session to reserve the appointment.

I understand the business end of this; the deposit commits the Hobbyist to show up and complete the deal. No-shows go down and the provider's time is efficiently monetized.

But it seems to me that this adds an additional layer of risk for both parties to an already risky business. Just transferring a portion of the donation to the provider after agreeing to engaging in sex for money constitutes an illegal act.

This is, I think, a bit more of an issue for the Hobbyist as the Provider may have been pressured by LE to engage in a sting operation. This would make every Hobbyist who shows up at her in-call a prosecutable offender, in an open-and-close case.

Am I off base inthis line of thought?

Warptcuck · 07-24-2019, 04:49 PM

The OP is in support of a deposit. Not everyone on that thread is in support of it. Especially the hobbyist.
The OP is a provider. She is a nutcase. She is BSC, but fuck your brains out BSC.

I won't put up a deposit, there are too many risks. And there are too many providers that will take your cash during the date.

GypsyHeart · 07-24-2019, 05:22 PM

There should not be any issue with giving a deposit to a known and reputable provider. One who would not risk her years of good reputation and potential new clients to stiff one guy for a small portion of a donation.

ICU 812 · 07-24-2019, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by GypsyHeart

There should not be any issue with giving a deposit to a known and reputable provider. One who would not risk her years of good reputation and potential new clients to stiff one guy for a small portion of a donation.

Thanks. A good point.

This is why ECCIE and OH2 are important to the Hobby.

rexdutchman · 07-25-2019, 07:38 AM

Oh Hell no ,,,, Just may 2 cents

Exithere · 07-25-2019, 08:35 AM

I have not found anyone that I would want to see bad enough to prepay or give a deposit for a session. My. 02

ICU 812 · 07-25-2019, 09:25 AM

I live in a close famly setting. My credit/debit expenses are part of the general family bank statement. My smart phone is a shared device.

For these reasons and others, I do not conduct any hobby related business electronically. Hobby communication is limited to PMs here, an e-mail account and limited voice over the phone. Not secure, but infrequent and limited.For similar reasons I donot use Uber.

A deposit in advance may make good business sense for a provider, but not for me as a hobbyist. For me, the practically of transferring a deposit prior to a session through some form of on-line or wire transaction is impossible.

For other hobbyists, I feel that the exchanging money for agreed upon sexual activity completes the legal definition of prostitution in the eyes of the law. leaving an electronic record of this is risky .

Wile E Coyote · 07-25-2019, 09:49 AM

Great idea for the providers to get money for nothing, but very bad idea for hobbyists. If you pay a deposit or prepay, you may as well kiss that money goodbye, because more than likely, you will not even get contacted back, much less serviced. But if she does contact you back, get ready the excuses as to why she cannot fulfill her end of the deal. She is too busy trying to get other fools to prepay or seeing guys that are paying at the time.

DNinja69 · 07-25-2019, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Exithere

I have not found anyone that I would want to see bad enough to prepay or give a deposit for a session. My. 02

I do understand the reality of ncns that make some providers want to insist on a deposit. When a lady is traveling it is especially important to secure legit appointments. This is a business. One thing that might make the process go more smoothly is to offer a pre-book session/rate. Both sides benefit, and for us guys it would feel less like a penalty.

PhantomofTheOpera · 07-26-2019, 03:33 AM

Hookers getting deposits is a very, very bad idea that some guys allow to occur. Of course, the chick wants a deposit as they get funds and have control to a point where if she does not provide an accurate descriptioon of herself or recent picture, i.e. as in within the last two months, you as the paying customer have no recourse as your funds are gone regardless.

According to the following HuffPost, sex workers, which is what a hooker is, are seeing their bank accounts being closed by banks like JP Morgan Chase without an explanation. Now the linked article, see below, lists industries like Porn actors and others, but does mention sex workers as primary targets for account closures.

I know were I to engage a Provider, no way in hell would I give her a deposit as she is just not that important to me to risk my bank discovering I was transferring funds to a hooker for an illegal act.

As for the post referenced in the preceding, I know who that girl is and in no way is she worth losing your bank account over no matter how BSC she fucks you, because in the end YOU, the guys, can get royally FUCKED with no recourse. Therefore, you have to ask yourself... is the crime worth the time you might do?

HuffPost:
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/human...b0740c25e5efd1

blackmaleindallas · 07-27-2019, 05:58 AM

As a rule I hate the idea of a deposit but I recently paid a deposit to see a gal that was traveling to the DFW area. As stated above, the deposit guarantees the client is going to show up and guarantees that hour or whatever amount of time of the day is filled with for work for the gal. It helps the traveling gal plan.

Having written all that, I would not have done it if she didn't already have a good reputation and there weren't at least 5 major websites where I could trash her if she stole my money.

If the girl is local I'd never pay a deposit. Also, what the new generation of twitter only providers don't understand is the purpose of review boards and p411 is to get their reputation solidified so if they are traveling and require a deposit the client will feel more comfortable paying it. A lot of the new twitter only girls bash review boards but that mentality is just keeping their phone from ringing as much as it could because few guys are dumb enough to send a deposit to a chick with no online presence except for her website with glamor shots..A good businesswoman advertises everywhere.

As for privacy, it's cheap to get a prepaid cell phone and debit card and keep them in the car or at work as needed...

GypsyHeart · 07-28-2019, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by ICU 812

I live in a close famly setting. My credit/debit expenses are part of the general family bank statement. My smart phone is a shared device.

For these reasons and others, I do not conduct any hobby related business electronically. Hobby communication is limited to PMs here, an e-mail account and limited voice over the phone. Not secure, but infrequent and limited.For similar reasons I donot use Uber.

A deposit in advance may make good business sense for a provider, but not for me as a hobbyist. For me, the practically of transferring a deposit prior to a session through some form of on-line or wire transaction is impossible.

For other hobbyists, I feel that the exchanging money for agreed upon sexual activity completes the legal definition of prostitution in the eyes of the law. leaving an electronic record of this is risky .

Get yourself a netspend card. The work like a debit card. I use mine for hotels and everything else. You load them at Dollar General and other locations. Good way to budget your hobby funds, no paper statements. Would be no different than hiding a burner phone.

Warptcuck · 07-28-2019, 11:31 AM

There are too many bad stories and reviews written on here about paying a deposit up front.
I feel sorry for the first few who got taken, but not the rest.
You read the same reviews and no shows as the rest of us do.
I don't trust some of my family, so I definitely won't trust a stranger.
That's how life is. Not all providers are bad, but the bad ones give a bad reputation to most all of them.

Guest083119 · 07-28-2019, 11:46 AM

A bad idea for both sides. Both legally and businesswise.

Honestly, people act like it is all upside for the ladies and downside for the men. But what I can't wrap my head around is this - the risk for the ladies.

Ladies post GRAPHIC ads that are a laundry list of what they offer...including a price tag and a request for a deposit.

All that is necessary for an arrest is the offer of services and the acceptance of money (or agreeing to accept money). While an ad is not an offer (legally) - once someone contacts you FROM THAT AD and you accept money in relation to it, now you have an offer and an acceptance. How does anyone think that is not enough for an arrest?

Being an escort isn't illegal. Offering sex acts and accepting money for them IS.

PhantomofTheOpera · 07-28-2019, 11:24 PM

^^^ This is very true, which was my point in the preceding post I made the other day. The girls, to come across as just a companion which isn't illegal, have to be circumspect in their ads. But really who, in their right and prudent mind, really thinks a girl advertising as a companion can command a multi-hundred dollar hourly fees generally given to a professional, i.e. Lawyer, Docter, etc. without providing something more?

In that thread in Houston Co-Ed, the OP has the wrong idea. Even cash is traceable but that tracing ability is generally beyond 99.99% of folks unless they have a government body behind them, i.e. FBI, CIA, etc.