Socialism?

[Outdoorsman]

The electronic voting machines that we utilize today are the ones I am talking about. In the rear of the machine is a computerized card, it is about 6 inches long and 3 inches wide. The purpose of this card is to tally all the votes in that particular machine. The card is removed and inserted into the main operating system for the count. The problem with the card is it can be programmed to a certain outcome without any election official knowing except the guy at the top. It appears to all people operating the separate systems that everything is working correctly. The count on the card matches the number of signatures in the registrars book. Everything appears on the level. Except the card is programmed by a formula and the winner is predetermined - thus our vote does not count.

When a random selection of these cards was tested some of the vote counts actually came out negative - I ask how can a negative vote be calculated. The vote actually took away votes from the other candidate. This is only possible when 100% of the votes are for one candidate which never occurs. The key is having the number of tallied votes equal the number of signatures and the formula takes care of that even if it has to subtract in some instances.

This test was presented to our states election officials and the doors were slammed shut with no explanation and no reprecussions and here is the kicker and no REFORM. Thus, it continues. And is that surprising that we have officials in Louisiana that are corrupt? I have personally had offers made to me by elected officials to just look the other way. Again it happens every day.

How many Judges are removed from their position due to corruption? In the last six years I know of 7 in three Parishes, Orleans, Jefferson, and Plaquemines. There are only 2 judge seats in Plaquemines - by the way both were accused of theft about two years ago. 16 seats in Jefferson and 12 in Orleans. Thus, out of 30 seats available 7 were replaced due to corruption, that's about 1/4. So, one out of four Judges got caught, cause I do not believe all the other Judges are completely clean either. That is just the Judge level, I can on and on about Representatives, Mayors, Councilmen, but I have prolly already said too much.

As one can see I am passionate about the subject. I do appreciate evry one allwoing me to rant, Yes, April this a rant for me. And it helps to talk about it, now I have to have someone else start my car every morning for about a two weeks.

[I B Hankering]

OMG there is corruption in Plaquemines Parish? Just poking. Plaquemines Parish, like the Daley machine in Chicago, is notorious for its corruption. Judge Leander Perez rigged election after election for Huey P. I am not naïve, I just tend to believe that the cheating done by one side is offset by the cheating done by the other.

Aaron Burr tried to usurp Thomas Jefferson’s election by manipulating the electoral votes in 1800. Andrew Jackson railed against Henry Clay and John Q. Adams for stealing the election in 1824. Rutherford B. Hayes ‘bought’ the presidency with promises of government aid in 1876. VP Chester Arthur openly bragged about how the Republicans bought the presidency in 1880. Mayor Richard Daley made sure Chicago—and thus Illinois—went for Kennedy in 1960 giving Kennedy the edge he needed to win the White House in 1960. Nixon had his ‘CRE(e)P’, and Obama has his ACORN.

Furthermore, voters do have an impact on elections. Would Clinton have become president in 1992 were it not for the voters who supported Ross Perot? What about the 2000 election? Al Gore might have been elected were it not for Ralph Nader. I realize these are negative examples wherein the voters did not get what they voted for, but nevertheless, for good or bad, their votes did have an impact on the elections.

There was a documentary made after the 2000 election showing why these new machines used in Louisiana were not necessarily better than the punch card system used in Florida because of the very reasons you enumerate Outdoorsman.

[I B Hankering]

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[cajunmac]

I happen to know some people at the Sec. of State. (tasked with running elections) I can tell you that the IT guys are "brutally" honest people. I have serious doubts that the voting machines would be tampered with from a technology standpoint. I can guarantee you that THEY didn't do it, and the local parties (such as a judge running for re-election)... Well, let me just say that I know drunken monkeys smarter than them. Hacking something that that is WAY out of their league.
All of that being said... I am sure that there are many other ways to manipulate voting, and I am sure that there is corruption. I believe it to be our duty, as voters, to inquire whenever we see something that does not look right.

My .5 cents...

[juan2fork]

Originally Posted by cajunmac

I happen to know some people at the Sec. of State. (tasked with running elections) I can tell you that the IT guys are "brutally" honest people. I have serious doubts that the voting machines would be tampered with from a technology standpoint. I can guarantee you that THEY didn't do it, and the local parties (such as a judge running for re-election)... Well, let me just say that I know drunken monkeys smarter than them. Hacking something that that is WAY out of their league.
All of that being said... I am sure that there are many other ways to manipulate voting, and I am sure that there is corruption. I believe it to be our duty, as voters, to inquire whenever we see something that does not look right.

My .5 cents...

OK cajunmac but none of us know who the next Secretary of State for Louisiana will be (nobody lasts forever). It is also known that the CEO of Diebold (the #1 manufacturer of electronic voting machines) was a major donor to GW Bush in 2000 & 2004. We also know that in one Florida precinct in 2000 Gore had -16 votes (yes negative 16) which is impossible without electronic tampering. A paper ballot protects everyone's vote.

I propose we go to a national popular vote. That way non-repubs in LA or non-dems in say Minnesota get their votes counted. It would also weaken the 2 major parties. Our employees in DC would become more responsive to constituents and less so to their parties.

Part of the reason for the electoral college was our technological status in the 1780s. Clearly in 2010 we have advanced in communications technology. Open Primary first Tues in November. Unless there is a true majority, a run off 21 days later. No reason for plurality votes like Bush II, Clinton, etc

[I B Hankering]

Yes. The Electoral College may have out lived its purpose, but I am not sure I would trust elections orchestrated by some new agency based in DC. Remember Tip O’Neille’s maxim: “All politics are local,” and, as Louisiana verges on conceding yet another representative seat and an electoral seat to California, I am concerned that any issue not relevant to Californians, or for that matter New Yorkers, will be ignored. For instance, there are many in this country that stupidly cannot fathom why New Orleans needed to be restored post Katrina.

Juan, you were just born too late. Louisiana was a bastion for the Democrats for over 100 years. There were the protestant North Louisianans versus the Catholic South Louisianans and there were the pro-Longs versus the anti-Longs—but everyone was a registered Democrat. When it came time to for me to register, I was advised to register as a Democrat or I wouldn’t be allowed to viably participate as a voter.

And, to stay on topic, I still maintain that John Adams was not a socialist.

[juan2fork]

Dems & Repubs were both different then. The racist dems started going repub in 1948 & 1964 (not calling a party racist. both parties have racists). Before FDR almost all black voters were repubs. Some followed FDR's social safety net & concern for the little man. Others followed Truman after he desegregated the military in 1948. Others followed JFK & LBJ in the 60s.

[dilbert firestorm]

Originally Posted by juan2fork

Dems & Repubs were both different then. The racist dems started going repub in 1948 & 1964 (not calling a party racist. both parties have racists). Before FDR almost all black voters were repubs. Some followed FDR's social safety net & concern for the little man. Others followed Truman after he desegregated the military in 1948. Others followed JFK & LBJ in the 60s.

Eisenhower may have staved off the bleeding of the black vote for a decade with him enforcing school desegregation.

I'm not sure what the republican party would have been able do to as the lure of the govt. social programs were rather strong. The make up of the republican party was at time trending towards "country club" status.

I find it ironic that the black would join with the party of slavery and jim crow laws that kept at the lowest possible level on the economic ladder.

its too bad that blacks didn't their 40 acres & a mule. Andrew Johnson, a former southern democrat turned republican, vetoed. That would have changed their economic direction for sure.

[dilbert firestorm]

Originally Posted by Outdoorsman

The electronic voting machines that we utilize today are the ones I am talking about. In the rear of the machine is a computerized card, it is about 6 inches long and 3 inches wide. The purpose of this card is to tally all the votes in that particular machine. The card is removed and inserted into the main operating system for the count. The problem with the card is it can be programmed to a certain outcome without any election official knowing except the guy at the top. It appears to all people operating the separate systems that everything is working correctly. The count on the card matches the number of signatures in the registrars book. Everything appears on the level. Except the card is programmed by a formula and the winner is predetermined - thus our vote does not count.

When a random selection of these cards was tested some of the vote counts actually came out negative - I ask how can a negative vote be calculated. The vote actually took away votes from the other candidate. This is only possible when 100% of the votes are for one candidate which never occurs. The key is having the number of tallied votes equal the number of signatures and the formula takes care of that even if it has to subtract in some instances.

This test was presented to our states election officials and the doors were slammed shut with no explanation and no reprecussions and here is the kicker and no REFORM. Thus, it continues. And is that surprising that we have officials in Louisiana that are corrupt? I have personally had offers made to me by elected officials to just look the other way. Again it happens every day.

How many Judges are removed from their position due to corruption? In the last six years I know of 7 in three Parishes, Orleans, Jefferson, and Plaquemines. There are only 2 judge seats in Plaquemines - by the way both were accused of theft about two years ago. 16 seats in Jefferson and 12 in Orleans. Thus, out of 30 seats available 7 were replaced due to corruption, that's about 1/4. So, one out of four Judges got caught, cause I do not believe all the other Judges are completely clean either. That is just the Judge level, I can on and on about Representatives, Mayors, Councilmen, but I have prolly already said too much.

As one can see I am passionate about the subject. I do appreciate evry one allwoing me to rant, Yes, April this a rant for me. And it helps to talk about it, now I have to have someone else start my car every morning for about a two weeks.

I had no idea that the current voting machines can be compromised & manipulated in such a manner to get under votes.

That info needs to get out to public at large.

Its a shame that politicans are unwilling to treat your votes in the same manner that we treat U.S. currency.

[juan2fork]

DF, most people don't vote history that they don't personally remember. Most folks go by what's recently in front of their own face. There was a Republican function in Lake Chuck a few years ago. Guest speaker, former Congressman JC Watts (R-Oklahoma). A couple expected him to park their car.

Between 1964 & 1980 a lot of folks like that became Republicans.

Watts Photos: http://www.google.com/images?client=...ed=0CBoQsAQwAw