HDH- Different perspective

[Guest082216-1]

We ofton see comments about HDHs. Rates of $400 , 500, 1000 or more.

One of the comments I notice is some guy says he went for it but was disappointed. Did not see the value for the money spent. Could have a good or better time for a lot less money.

I wonder if part of the problem is that a client not use to providers in that priced range may not have the expereince or refinement to truly enjoy what a HDH can offer. They dont know how to get the most of of the experience

If all I have ever driven are Fords, then I may not have the frame of reference or experiense to truly appriciate a $100K sports car. Its a nice ride but....... If I eat at McDonalds a lot, then going to a 5 star restarant may not be so great as my palete has not been trained to appriciate the sutble differences in the food and its preparation.A $1000 bottle of wine would be a waste on me because I dont have the experience to appriciate the experience. If I won a $100 million, bought all that can offer, and tryed to jump into that socail group, I would be eaten alive by many of my new peers. I just would not have the understanding of the dinamics of that social level of people who grew up with it.

Women who are sucessful in the HDH realm must have more to offer then just a hot body. Men who play in that realm on a regular bases must have subtle difference in their needs that these girls have learned to provide.

If I go to one and have a great time, but think I could have had almost or just as good a time with with my $200 providers, is it anyones fault or more too great a difference in experiences and needs?

[mansfield]

Good point, I often wonder what exactly that "something" extra is.

But to be fair and give the flip side, many people who buy $100k sports cars have no idea how to enjoy them either, they just enjoy being able to show others they own one and take some satisfaction in knowing most folks can't have one.

There's probably a good bit of that in this. Not to take anything away from the providers, but there is some plain and simple ego here at work too I suspect.

Why did you pay $1000 an hour we might ask some of these guys?

If they are honest I think often times the answer will simply be "Because I can".

[borderboy]

Bubba I believe WALDT. It has nothing to do with "frame of reference" or "experience" to truly appreciate something of greater value.

While I may not like a Rolls Royce, I may love a Lamborghini. I may not like Pappas Bros, but may really like Fogo de Chao. Maybe I don't care for a $1000 bottle of Bordeaux, but I may definitely enjoy a $1000 bottle of Cabernet. You may be able to fit in a social setting with Australian millionaires, but feel totally out of place with British millionairs...

However, the more money you pay, the more you scrutinize the value of what you are getting, so if the value does not live to your expectations, here is where "buyer's remorse" enters, and client leaves disappointed with HDH.

Again, it all depends on and individual's tastes and what the client is looking for. One HDH client may be looking for the hottest body in town, and even if HDH provider has no personality and lacks intelligence, the client will leave satisfied if he gets what he believes is the hottest body in town. A different client may be looking for a mature conversation with an intelligent and elegant looking lady that adds to his sexual experience. If this client gets the hottest "bimbo" and has no conversation, he will leave disappointed.

To answer your last question of who's fault it is, it can be either party's. If the client does not do his research correctly, the HDH that he hires might not be what he is looking for and is client's fault. Same the other way, if HDH markets herself as having certain personality and providing a certain level of service, but does not do a good job at providing what she is describing that she is good at, then it is her fault.

[Guest082216-1]

But, that owner of the car IS filling a need, Ego. If I dont have that ego need, then I would not enjoy that $1000 hooker as much. Not her fault and does not diminish her value in any way. I dont have a need she is able to meet.

[London Rayne]

I don't consider 4 and 500 to be HDH...that is mid range in the places I travel. I also find the entire concept to be a bit funny to tell you the truth. As if being an escort is somehow so dirty we need to create a name for those who are supposedly above the norm and can't come to terms with what they do...right lol.

If the word "hooker" bothers you, maybe you need therapy, because no matter how you dress it up that's what we are. Some of us may have other things going in life besides this, but at this point in time we are working as hookers. If you have to create a label to elevate what you do, maybe you're in the wrong business because the modern world is still laughing at the notion of any hooker using the word "classy" on her website lol.

If you like young girls...forget about that. The high end girls are normally all over 35 so that option is out altogether. If you think you are not getting scars, mommy tummy, stretch marks, saggy tits, or even someone who is more educated think again, because it's all in the marketing. Someone who makes more money does not do so because she is better...she does so because she refuses to settle for any less. If I don't work for 2 weeks, you can bet you won't see me lowering my rates because it's not something that I feel is necessary when I have other income.

I know many higher end girls personally who have many qualities that lower end girls don't, but I also know a slew who are nothing but worn out rejects who can't get a job in the real world to save their life. They have addictions, issues, and are on meds. Add to that many are NOT nearly as educated as one might think, and the idea of their "real" job is about 10 bucks an hour. The bulk of their posts are pasted articles they are merely speculating on with zero facts to support it. It's really easy to sound all intelligent when you are going back to "It's just my opinion" lol.

You get that at every end of the spectrum. It's how much bs you buy into that is the selling point lol.

Any way you look at it, we are all spreading our legs and anyone naive enough to think that the guy who spends 3k a date is not slumming with a CL girl on some drunken night, needs a reality check. A hot body, witty personality, and obviously a guaranteed thing will win over logic every time.

Most of the girls who fk like porn stars are nowhere near HDH level. If you want to pay to talk or be seen in public, I can't see how just those attributes alone consitute a rate increase but to each their own. The "illusion" of being more exclusive is just that...an illusion. I may not see many guys per month, but I darn well could if I wanted to. Me being more exclusive has nothing to do with rates, because many guys will gladly pay that and more.

As for higher end girls being critiqued more...you betcha. If some 100 an hour girl meets you at the Holiday Inn smelling like the bar, you almost expect it. Let a high end girl do ANYTHING wrong and it's bash day in her reviews! Some guys do on purpose to dog out higher priced girls just to keep the market price down...sad tactic that only a few will fall for, but it happens.

[LazurusLong]

Bubba but there are very recent examples in the Dallas area where the HDH myth falls completely into the waste can.

Hooter is a good example and was normally 300/hr but then she also had a HDH rate of 1500 per hour as Olivia.

Do you honestly think that she could somehow turn on some "charm" or sophistication or improve her service in some way to make it worth that much more? Did her price increase allow her to turn on some brain function where she became more educated?

(And you still most likely had the same chance of being "Hootered" no matter who you booked with.

There was one girl back in the ASPD chat days who was very educational to speak with. ShelbyCobra if I recall and chatting with her where she talked about how she was educated from a very young age to be a true courtesan, where her background in wines, and things that you'd guess royalty was schooled in including education in not just how to have great sex but name the subject and she'd been taught a lot about it.

She wasn't even close to a typical HDH who simply decides that she is hot and wants to only see a few clients so she charges a lot thinking she will cut out the riff raff. Shelby stated she was trained to BE a courtesan and I hate to say it but escorts in Dallas who start out as strippers, then many who get trained by pimps, then some go Indy and some try to elevate their rates to HDH levels are far from true HDH gals.

Who was that HDH mod on ASPD that was 12K per day with a 2 day minimum? Ann Marie? Stunning blonde with a great education. Again, from what I understood, she was educated before she started renting her pussy out at any price and therein lies the difference between those who simply charge more and those who truly ARE High Dollar Hookers/Hotties

When I rode sport bikes, I typically rode a Honda because I could not affod a Ducati but I knew tons about them because I read about them and saw how they were made and the attention to detail. I could have upgraded to a Honda RC30 at the time and been closer to the Ducati but didn't bother.

There are some around Dallas that appear educated and I'd say more "elite" than HDH but they are not on this or any other board and the vast majority are not talked about, never reviewed and never post ads.

Hell, when Companions Classifieds was around they never got reviews or posted ads, a very select client base who had the cash and the owner found stunning women for a very long time. Were those truly what most think of as HDH? They are elite, they were more expensive, beautiful and great in bed and many educated but they were never trained in a formal sense on how to BE a courtesan.

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Think about the geisha. If you research and understand that a geisha is not just someone who fucks for a living and can grasp that she is so far above just the sexual act by her training and education and sophistication, then one can understand how over used the term HDH has become in this country and especially on boards such as ASPD and now ECCIE where there are forums dedicated to what some hope to think are HDH and what in reality are simply higher priced prostitutes.

I'm really hoping this does not offend anyone.

[Guest082216-1]

If your palate is not refined enough, you may enjoy that $1000 wine, but not 10 time what you get from a $100 wine.

If that HDH is not very good at offering the services she advertises, IE; meeting her regular customers needs, she will not last long.

Look at how confusing a simple term like GFE is, means so many different things. I bet someone who spends 1000 has a totaly different meaning to GFE than a 200 guy. If a HDH has adjusted to what her normal clientale expects, then someone that has a different expectaion of GFE may have a great time, but will not expereince enough of the sutdle difference to see the full value of that HDH.

I really think the food analogy is a good one. Research shows it can take time and expereince to develop an understanding and appriciation of fine food and wine. Consuming lots of lower quality food and beverage will affect ones ability to appriciate the better. If you eat and like fast food, you just will not see what the big deal is wiith that $200 stake, Its a great stake but just not worth $200 to you. While someone who eats $200 steak all the time, might not like the steak buffet at Golden Corral.

The point is, Dont just say HDHs are not worth it. It may simply be a frame of reference and experience has not prepaired you to appreiciate the subtle differences. They may not be worth it to you because you simply don't know better compaired to someone who has only had that level of goods and service.

Originally Posted by borderboy

Bubba I believe WALDT. It has nothing to do with "frame of reference" or "experience" to truly appreciate something of greater value.

While I may not like a Rolls Royce, I may love a Lamborghini. I may not like Pappas Bros, but may really like Fogo de Chao. Maybe I don't care for a $1000 bottle of Bordeaux, but I may definitely enjoy a $1000 bottle of Cabernet. You may be able to fit in a social setting with Australian millionaires, but feel totally out of place with British millionairs...

However, the more money you pay, the more you scrutinize the value of what you are getting, so if the value does not live to your expectations, here is where "buyer's remorse" enters, and client leaves disappointed with HDH.

Again, it all depends on and individual's tastes and what the client is looking for. One HDH client may be looking for the hottest body in town, and even if HDH provider has no personality and lacks intelligence, the client will leave satisfied if he gets what he believes is the hottest body in town. A different client may be looking for a mature conversation with an intelligent and elegant looking lady that adds to his sexual experience. If this client gets the hottest "bimbo" and has no conversation, he will leave disappointed.

To answer your last question of who's fault it is, it can be either party's. If the client does not do his research correctly, the HDH that he hires might not be what he is looking for and is client's fault. Same the other way, if HDH markets herself as having certain personality and providing a certain level of service, but does not do a good job at providing what she is describing that she is good at, then it is her fault.

[London Rayne]

Originally Posted by Bubba3452

If you eat and like fast food, you just will not see what the big deal is wiith that $200 stake, Its a great stake but just not worth $200 to you.

I assume you meant "steak" lol.

[Guest082216-1]

LOL, Yes

[Naomi4u]

London, That was a classic! Pure awesomeness!

[Prolongus]

London, what's your problem with us freakin' Texans??

[London Rayne]

Originally Posted by Prolongus

London, what's your problem with us freakin' Texans??

That's a whole new thread my man...stay on topic lol.

[London Rayne]

Originally Posted by LazurusLong

Bubba but there are very recent examples in the Dallas area where the HDH myth falls completely into the waste can.

Hooter is a good example and was normally 300/hr but then she also had a HDH rate of 1500 per hour as Olivia.

Do you honestly think that she could somehow turn on some "charm" or sophistication or improve her service in some way to make it worth that much more? Did her price increase allow her to turn on some brain function

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Actually yes, I do the same thing lol. Of course you can't really fake being a dumb azz then a scholar in an hour, but I don't say half the things I say as London Rayne under my high end persona. I have 2 others I work under and neither has stepped foot on any board. It is genius marketing. So many guys who said they would never see London Rayne because of how blunt she is, have in fact seen me lol. Brilliant!!

[pyramider]

And all this time I thought HDHs had special attachments that justified the extra $$$$$$$$ . . .

[London Rayne]

Originally Posted by pyramider

And all this time I thought HDHs had special attachments that justified the extra $$$$$$$$ . . .

Maybe if you're special.