Det. Dumass

[6ULDV8]

Anyone see Detective Dumass on the news last night. Footage shows him triumptantly entering into a convience store with his troops. They were confiscating something they believed to be K2 or some derivative. Not sure what it had to do with Vice? Maybe prostitution is down and the detective is just insuring they don't cut into his budget. The female cop in the bullet proof vest holding the door open for him was way too funny. Any odds of him one day running for office? What a jackass.

[MsElena]

You call him a dumass and jackass because he's doing a job he was hired for? Hmm. I do believe one of the old MOD's always asked guys why they posted about disliking/insulting LE for doing their job.

Does LE read the board, sure they do. Does that gent in question read it himself? Who know, but I bet someone who works for him does. Cops tend to remember when they're insulted.

Also, why poke the bear? One day, the bear is going to poke back.

[6ULDV8]

Originally Posted by MsElena

You call him a dumass and jackass because he's doing a job he was hired for? Hmm. I do believe one of the old MOD's always asked guys why they posted about disliking/insulting LE for doing their job.

Does LE read the board, sure they do. Does that gent in question read it himself? Who know, but I bet someone who works for him does. Cops tend to remember when they're insulted.

Also, why poke the bear? One day, the bear is going to poke back.

I call him a dumass because he looks like the kind of kid I would beat the shit out of in school. I think anyone who runs around in the dark chasing gays in the park is a jackass. And, I've never been one too worry about the boogy man either.

[oldman49]

Originally Posted by 6ULDV8

I call him a dumass because he looks like the kind of kid I would beat the shit out of in school. I think anyone who runs around in the dark chasing gays in the park is a jackass. And, I've never been one too worry about the boogy man either.

I always stood up for the kids that got picked on in school. I never liked the bullys or loud mouth types.

[6ULDV8]

Originally Posted by oldman49

I always stood up for the kids that got picked on in school. I never liked the bullys or loud mouth types.

Of course you did oldman I'm sure you were a true champion for the underdog (lol). Regardless, your assuming I was picking on anyone. NMHO most cops are bullies. Especially those who chose vice.

[MsElena]

Again, you're insulting the guy because he's doing his job.

As for why some cops choose vice, maybe its because some want to truly make a difference in the lives of others.

In my opinion, if one keeps poking the bear its going to draw more unwanted attention not to you because you're hiding behind a screen name for the sake of discretion, but to the ladies.

[oldman49]

Originally Posted by MsElena

Again, you're insulting the guy because he's doing his job.

As for why some cops choose vice, maybe its because some want to truly make a difference in the lives of others.

In my opinion, if one keeps poking the bear its goingthis to draw more unwanted attention not to you because you're hiding behind a screen name for the sake of discretion, but to the ladies.

I agree with you on this one. Ignore this bully and lets move on.

[vitokc]

Originally Posted by 6ULDV8

Anyone see Detective Dumass on the news last night. Footage shows him triumptantly entering into a convience store with his troops. They were confiscating something they believed to be K2 or some derivative. Not sure what it had to do with Vice? Maybe prostitution is down and the detective is just insuring they don't cut into his budget. The female cop in the bullet proof vest holding the door open for him was way too funny. Any odds of him one day running for office? What a jackass.

If there is anything beneficial here, please share. I do think the Dumass label is being placed on the wrong person.

"The female cop in the bullet proof vest holding the door open for him was way too funny."

How is this funny?

[dirty dog]

The man is only doing his job, just because his job may entail trying to stop you from breaking the law does not make him a dumass. If your not willing to man up if your caught doing something your not suppose to be doing and take personal responsibility then you should stop doing it, instead of blaming the people you pay to stop what your doing.

Law and order is a game, on one side you have those who are intrusted with the authority to uphold the law, on the other side you have those whose job it is to break the law, its not personal, I am on a first name basis with several ATF and FBI agents as well as local PD. Even though we both know what the other does, we are cordial and freadly because I dont disrespect them when I lose the game and I dont disrespect them when I win the game. I am sure my world is very much different than yours, but the idea to never make it personal, because when its personal the other side does not stop, is a valid idea in any world.

[6ULDV8]

Originally Posted by oldman49

I agree with you on this one. Ignore this bully and lets move on.

Probably is best this thread just dies and we respectfully agree to disagree.

[Guest121212]

6ULDV8, The KCPD doesn't have a dedicated vice unit, they have a combined narcotics and vice unit. Det. Sgt. Dumit along with Major Jan Zimmerman oversee both narcotics and vice. As K2 contains synthetic THC (which is illegal), it falls under their department's purview, so that would explain why Brad Dumit would be confiscating it . . . the publicizing of it (as it was) is probably a method in which to get other small independent retailers to pull the illegal substances off their shelves by "making an example". It may completely suck for the retailer they walked in and popped, but it is a somewhat smart way for a unit with limited resources to try to get a product pulled back without sending an officer into every mom and pop store throughout the city . . . Now, I'm sure that there are a lot of store owners that have good money locked up in K2 and other synthetics that they have stocked in their stores and they may still sell it "under the counter" to get out from under it (financially) if a customer asks for it and they have it, but at the very least it (K2 and other similar synthetics) may get less exposure in the open on store shelves and counters and maybe that was / is what they were after.

Last year that unit (narcotics and vice) took the Waldo rapist off the street, arrested the "Old School Takeover Bank Robbers", busted a group that pulled a string of armed and violent grocery store robberies and got 23 violent (as in "would just as soon kill you as look at you" violent) gang members indicted federally.

In 2010 there were 339 total prostitution related arrests by the KCPD attributed to that unit. There were 1850 other (mostly narcotic related) arrests attributed to the same. They've got illegal firearms, violent gangs, rapists, and a host of other things to worry about other than this endeavor - so why poke the bear? Seriously. Elena is right. I doubt Dumit is the kind of person that reads ECCIE and takes offense or would let it get to him, hell - he may personally take it as a compliment of a job well done - BUT, there certainly may be some in his unit (or other units around the metro as Dumit IS the president of the KC Fraternal Order of Police and very well known) that do take offense or make it personal, and frankly, your poking the bear makes it more difficult in KCMO for ladies such as myself that run a clean business, show our faces, and take the risk everyday. We're on the line everyday - NOT YOU - you're a faceless, nameless screen name that apparently likes to call names. Please, don't call me. And while we're on the subject, I thought that it was a violation of ECCIE rules to call names as such, but, I guess from lack of moderation that those rules don't apply when it is LE you're calling names . . .

Look, I'm not especially sympathetic to LE, but like DD, I know (have met) some of them (through my association with Dennis and Plaza Escorts) and I damn well know better than to disrespect them (and exercising my right to silence is not disrespect or "contempt of cop"). You might think he's a jackass (Dumit), but I'd bet the families of the victims of the Waldo rapist feel a hell of a lot differently. I know what the risks are everyday I decide to work - both from LE and from those people that might like to hurt me or another lady if they thought they could get away with it. Personally, I'll shut my mouth and lawyer up and take my misdemeanor licks IF I ever have to and have my record expunged post haste before I'd want them to NOT do their job - becasue they do HELP keep the fucking nuts out of appointments. I have never been arrested, I have never been interviewed, KNOCK ON WOOD - but I can tell you that EVERY time I have talked to a lady working in this endeavor that has come across Dumit's unit, one of the FIRST things she will tell me that they (Dumit's unit) have asked her is if there is any client they need to be aware of that is out there hurting ladies.

Dirty Dog is right, we all take the risk and we all know what the shot is when we walk out the door - stop blaming, ESPECIALLY the wrong people - be a man and take responsibility or don't play the game! If you've got an issue, take it up with the legislature, becasue I GUARANTEE YOU that the day that they legalize this endeavor, you (or anyone else) won't have to worry about Det. Sgt. Dumit. And as for why some cops choose to work vice over another unit - well, frankly, it used to be that vice cops were the ones that ENJOYED the vice(s). Now, Elena is right, it seems that it is full of people that want to help make a difference. Do they make arrests and occasionally fuck up a life or two along the way? Damn straight! Are some cops bullies, ABSOLUTELY! So if you don't want bullied, follow the law. But, like has been said, we ALL know what the shot is when we step out the door. If you're scared, go to church. If you can't accpet the risk appropriately, don't put yourself at risk.

But please, stop poking the bear - it makes you appear smaller than you think, and I don't think you intentionally want to look that way. Everyday Dumit's unit spends chasing narcotics is one less day they spend looking for me, other ladies and our clients. And yeah, KC is small enough that if bullshit threads like this one are left alone and not admonished after the start (there were 3 days between the initial insult and the first reply with NO action from a moderator) that LE WILL get ruffled eventually and decide that you (and all of us) might just be in need of their attention a little bit more. None of us wants that.

As for why you might "think anyone who runs around in the dark chasing gays in the park is a jackass" - well, just run faster than Dumit next time! Yes, I'm busting your balls, but you've busted quite enough yourself.

The thread doesn't need to die, it should have never been started in the first place.

- Jackie

[catnipdipper]

If you have to wear a bulletproof vest to do your job then that is enough for me to give you some respect.

[dirty dog]

As for why they work vice, a former KCPD major I used to associate with told me that they are rotated from department to department, each Det must do his time in Homicide, Robbery, Vice, Narcotics and Internal Affairs. This propares them for supervisory roles that come with promotions. They are on a promotion list and when their name comes up they are put in charge of what every department may have a supervisory or management opening.

[lacrew_2000]

"And while we're on the subject, I thought that it was a violation of ECCIE rules to call names as such, but, I guess from lack of moderation that those rules don't apply when it is LE you're calling names . ."

The ECCIE Forum Guidelines have several rules against name calling, treating people poorly, etc. They primarily deal with how members here treat other members. There are exceptions of course.

However, the detective is a Public Figure. I have seen him on TV many times, sometimes even giving interviews. And, he is a 'public servant'. In every corner of our society, Public Figures are expected to put up with more name calling than the rest of us. Its always been permitted on this board to call past and present presidents nasty names, for example; and, I see this no differently.

Even though I think it is unecessarily foolish to call out a member of LE and say something nasty about him, I don't see a problem with it.

--As a side note, I would like to make the reminder that there is a RTM button, for use, if you suspect the forum rules have been violated.--

On to the detective - Its his job, he took an oath, he does his job.

[Guest121212]

Originally Posted by lacrew_2000

Even though I think it is unecessarily foolish to call out a member of LE and say something nasty about him, I don't see a problem with it.

I agree it is unnecessarily foolish. I respectfully disagree that it is not a problem.

KC has a VERY small and tightly knit LE community and it is a well established fact that they (LE) read and archive everything here (in KC that fact is a matter of public record being stated by LE at trial, more than once - and more than one department does it). They pay attention. Close attention. We all know that they're here, hell, we all know they post.

If threads such as this were to become prevalent, then good ladies that post here may possibly end up getting more than their fair share of attention, they may stop getting "passes", or they may no longer be told they can "run if they run clean" (don't think for a minute that LE tries to stop everything, they know there has to be a safety valve somewhere and they can't stop it all) . . . maybe they (ladies here) get their throats stepped on a little harder (figuratively) when they do get clipped "becasue she advertises on ECCIE" - threads like this make it personal, not for Dumit, but for ALL of them (LE) - you poke one, you poke them all . . . and things can go south quickly.

If things like this were to continue, you (and other gentlemen) may feel somewhat differently about it down the road a bit, especially if LE decides to really make a push to make it their business to want to know the real names behind the screen names. Do you guys really not realize that of the nine or ten ladies that get clipped on average in the metro area every week, that every single one of them that makes it as far as an interview room over the next several months will be asked if they know the real name of 6ULDV8? I can almost guarantee you they will; at the very least they'll be asked a little more (you do the math) about ECCIE identities (if the lady knows any real names to match a screen name)!

I'm sorry, but in the final analysis you guys all armchair - you certainly don't play the game like we do (you don't have to) or even by the same rules (they don't apply) . . . the overwhelming majority of you are spectators except for an hour or two once every two or three months. You sit back and think "oh, that can't happen, LE has better things to do", "She's full of shit, that know-it-all Jackie" . . . Well, I don't know everything and I have never claimed to but what I do know, I know cold. I'm not full of shit (contrary to popular belief) and no, they (LE) don't have anything better to do, especially when someone decides to make it personal. As they did here.

You really might want to reconsider establishing a board policy that gives someone a free pass to talk shit on someone just becasue you believe they're a public figure, especially when the particular person you've independently "adjudicated" to be a "public figure" is LE and can make a whole lot of your member's lives very, very difficult, very directly - even possibly your own (you too, after all, participate as a client as well). And, I really can't believe that board ownership here would condone or tolerate anyone pushing LE like this on any level. Why invite the heat?? Seriously?

Most of you have absolutely no concept of how deeply intertwined LE is into the vast majority of this endeavor. If you knew the full truth of it, you'd all be flying to Nevada to visit a "legal" brothel to scratch the occasional itch and be paying ten to twenty times the going rate. All I can say (again) is, you really don't want to poke the bear. There's a reason why there is a status quo. Why go fucking it up? It has served a lot of people very well . . .

That's my "tinfoil hat wearing, Jackie's a complete bitch" 2 cents, for what it is worth. I really do trust that you can see how this could become a larger issue if left unchecked.

Be safe everyone!

Kisses,

- Jackie