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Old 06-01-2014, 04:51 PM   #1
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Substantial questions surround Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl, the American POW for whose release President Obama traded five murderous members of the Taliban. The questions are collected in this New York Post article.

The circumstances surrounding Bergdahl’s capture by the Taliban are murky. Did he desert? Did he wonder off base drunk? Was he simply lagging behind his patrol, as he has claimed? We don’t know for certain.

But Bergdahl view of the U.S. military and his country at the time the Taliban captured him are clear. Among the statements he had recently sent by email are these:
I am sorry for everything here. These people need help, yet what they get is the most conceited country in the world telling them that they are nothing and that they are stupid.

I am ashamed to be an American. And the title of US soldier is just the lie of fools. I am sorry for everything. The horror that is America is disgusting.
An Obama administration official, asked about the circumstances of Bergdahl’s capture, came close to acknowledging that Bergdahl had deserted, saying “frankly, we don’t give a s–t why he left; he’s an American soldier, we want to bring him home.”

I admire the sentiment, and an assessment of the prisoner exchange should not depend on Bergdahl’s character. For the reasons I offered here, the deal would be a bad one even if Bergdahl had been a model soldier and an unwavering patriot.

But I find it odd that an administration so intent on bringing Bergdahl home did not take substantial action to attempt the rescue of the brave Americans killed while defending our personnel in Benghazi. As I suggested yesterday, the key to Bergdahl rescue is probably lies not in a “no soldier left behind” mentality, but in Obama’s moronic desire to gain the trust of the Taliban.

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...but in Obama’s moronic desire to gain the trust of the Taliban.
Tea-liban and Ta-liban is there a difference. Speaking of Taliban's trust here's a fact you might not like. From 1981-1989 Ronald Reagan took the Presidency with an extreme anti-Soviet agenda which led him to fiercely support and back the Taliban to protect the US interests in the region against the Soviets. In fact a little research shows that the Taliban's rise to power was a DIRECT result of the support from the Reagan and Bush Sr administrations. Sylvester Stallone even made Rambo movies about our support of the Mujaheddin / Taliban during this time. Just thought you might appreciate a little history and if you want to know who armed Saddam with WMD's just ask and ye shall receive.

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Shaking Hands: Iraqi President Saddam Hussein greets Donald Rumsfeld, then special envoy of President Ronald Reagan, in Baghdad on December 20, 1983.
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Old 06-01-2014, 05:53 PM   #3
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Tea-liban and Ta-liban is there a difference. Speaking of Taliban's trust here's a fact you might not like. From 1981-1989 Ronald Reagan took the Presidency with an extreme anti-Soviet agenda which led him to fiercely support and back the Taliban to protect the US interests in the region against the Soviets. In fact a little research shows that the Taliban's rise to power was a DIRECT result of the support from the Reagan and Bush Sr administrations. Sylvester Stallone even made Rambo movies about our support of the Mujaheddin / Taliban during this time. Just thought you might appreciate a little history and if you want to know who armed Saddam with WMD's just ask and ye shall receive.

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Shaking Hands: Iraqi President Saddam Hussein greets Donald Rumsfeld, then special envoy of President Ronald Reagan, in Baghdad on December 20, 1983.

Old news Rabiznaz... http://shoebat.com/2014/05/31/red-al...e-compromised/


What else you got? Rabiznaz?
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Old 06-01-2014, 06:02 PM   #4
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This Is What A Liar Looks Like When He’s Frustrated... Rabiznaz

http://shoebat.com/2014/05/29/liar-l...es-frustrated/



Obama’s Muslim Envoy Caught LYING Should Now Be FIRED... What do you have to say about this? ... Rabiznaz

http://shoebat.com/2014/05/29/obamas...y-fired-tweet/
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Old 06-01-2014, 06:16 PM   #5
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Man, isn't this just the sort of story that Whirly Drudge can get all spun up about? It's like a chance.....a big chance to act like Whirly Drudge is Drudge because he can ape everything Drudge does here and Whirly Drudge can pretend like he is advancing the conservative cause by pretending he is Drudge! Isn't it exciting?!
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Old 06-01-2014, 06:22 PM   #6
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Glad you follow my posts; but the question remains.....................wh y are you such a fucking loser?

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Man, isn't this just the sort of story that Whirly Drudge can get all spun up about? It's like a chance.....a big chance to act like Whirly Drudge is Drudge because he can ape everything Drudge does here and Whirly Drudge can pretend like he is advancing the conservative cause by pretending he is Drudge! Isn't it exciting?!
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But don't take my word for it................CBS News via the liberal AP raises the question:

Is Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl a hero or a deserter?

WASHINGTON - The case of Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl, held by the Taliban since 2009, has arisen again as the U.S. and other countries engage in diplomatic efforts to free him.

But if he is released, will America's only prisoner of the Afghan war be viewed as a hero or a deserter?

While tattered yellow ribbons still adorn utility poles in his native Hailey, Idaho, others are expressing conflicting thoughts about Bergdahl's plight as the war winds down, with President Barack Obama threatening to withdraw all U.S. troops by year's end unless the Afghan government signs a crucial security agreement.

They are convinced that on June 30, 2009, just a few months after he arrived in Afghanistan, Bergdahl willingly walked away from his unit, which was deployed in Paktika province in eastern Afghanistan, adjacent to the border with Pakistan. While they do want Bergdahl home, they think he should have to answer allegations that he deserted his unit.

Bergdahl was last seen in a video the Taliban released in December.

At this year's Grammys, celebrities were photographed wearing Bowe bracelets. In the past two years, billboards with Bergdahl's face have popped up in major cities. One shows a smiling Bergdahl, in an Army uniform, with the message: "He fought for us. ... Let's fight for him!"

A transcript of radio intercepts, publicly released through Wikileaks, indicates that Bergdahl, then 23, was captured while sitting in a makeshift latrine.

"We were attacking the post he was sitting," according to a radio intercept of a conversation among insurgents. "He had no gun with him. ... They have all (the) Americans, ANA (Afghan National Army), helicopters, the planes are looking for him. Can you guys make a video of him and announce it all over Afghanistan that we have one of the Americans?"

Rolling Stone magazine quoted emails Bergdahl is said to have sent to his parents that suggest he was disillusioned with America's mission in Afghanistan, had lost faith in the U.S. Army's mission there and was considering desertion.

Bergdahl told his parents he was "ashamed to even be American." Bergdahl, who mailed home boxes containing his uniform and books, also wrote: "The future is too good to waste on lies. And life is way too short to care for the damnation of others, as well as to spend it helping fools with their ideas that are wrong."

The Associated Press could not independently authenticate the emails published by the magazine in 2012. Bergdahl's family has not commented on the allegations of desertion, according to Col. Tim Marsano, a spokesman for the Idaho National Guard. Marsano is in regular contact with Bergdahl's mother, Jani, and father, Bob, who has grown a long, thick beard and has worked to learn Pashto, the language spoken by his son's captors.

A senior Defense Department official said that if Bergdahl is released, it could be determined that he has more than paid for leaving his unit - if that's what really happened - "and there's every indicator that he did."

Still, it's a conundrum for commanders under the Uniform Code of Military Justice and the equal application of the law, according to the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to publicly discuss the Bergdahl case.

Eugene R. Fidell, who teaches military justice at Yale Law School, said if there is evidence that Bergdahl left his unit without permission, he could be charged with being absent without leave (AWOL) or desertion.

Desertion during a time of war can carry the death penalty. But Congress never passed a declaration of war with respect to Afghanistan, and neither President George W. Bush nor President Barack Obama has determined that U.S. military operations in Afghanistan make this a "time of war" for the purposes of the Uniform Code of Military Justice, Fidell said.

Were Bergdahl to be charged with desertion, the maximum penalty he would face is five years in prison and a dishonorable discharge, if it's proved that he deserted with the intent to avoid hazardous duty or to shirk important service. A case of AWOL, ended by the U.S. apprehending him, would not require proof that he intended to remain away permanently. The maximum punishment for that would be a dishonorable discharge and 18 months' confinement, he said.

"Someone is going to have to make a decision, based on a preliminary investigation, as to whether this is a desertion or AWOL rather than simply having the bad luck to have fallen into the wrong hands," Fidell said.

"The command can say 'This fellow has been living in terrible conditions. We don't approve of what he did but we're not going to prosecute him,'" he said. "Or, the military could prosecute him as a way of signaling to others that 'Look, you can't simply go over the hill.' ... It's quite an interesting set of issues that will have to be addressed as a matter of both policy and law."

Desertion can be difficult to prove, said Ret. Maj. Gen. John Altenburg Jr., a Washington attorney who served 28 years as a lawyer in the Army.

"There has to be some evidence that he intended never to come back - that he intended to remain away from his unit permanently," Altenburg said.

"I don't know if they'll charge him with anything. It will depend on the circumstances of his return and what he has to say."

Mary Schantag, chairman of the P.O.W. Network, an educational nonprofit group founded in 1989, said it's futile to speculate. "He is an American soldier in enemy hands. Period. Bring him home," she said.

Rep. Duncan Hunter, a member of the House Armed Services Committee and former Marine who served two tours in Iraq and one in Afghanistan, agreed.

"It's hard to imagine any circumstance where his captivity won't be viewed as time served," said Hunter, R-Calif. "The first order of business is securing his release and I don't think it does an ounce of good to begin contemplating that far ahead when the focus is on getting him home."

Chrissy Marsaglia and her husband, ex-Marines from outside Seattle who launched a bring Bowe home project in 2012, don't speculate about the details of his capture or efforts to release him. They just want him home. Through donations, the small group has worked to raise awareness of Bergdahl's captivity on more than 90 billboards in U.S. cities.

"Every day, we meet people who don't know about him," she said

© 2014 The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.

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The Bigger Question is:

Was this exchange worth it...did Obama get out played?


5 top Taliban Commanders for Bergdahl?

You be the judge.
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What happened to Rabiznaz? did it fall off the astroturfer?
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The guy walked away from his unit? Not seeing that anywhere but here. There's not a very good description of the circumstances. Caught in a make-shift latrine?

Why wasn't this guy's head sliced off like so many others? Has he converted to Islam?
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Old 06-01-2014, 07:13 PM   #11
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Substantial questions surround Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl, the American POW for whose release President Obama traded five murderous members of the Taliban. The questions are collected in this New York Post article.

The circumstances surrounding Bergdahl’s capture by the Taliban are murky. Did he desert? Did he wonder off base drunk? Was he simply lagging behind his patrol, as he has claimed? We don’t know for certain. Nice to see these bloggers whose words you worship as truth believe in our Constitution and the premise that this U.S. soldier who gave up his freedom for us is innocent until proven guilty. You know, the one thing they know for certain, the one true fact they can add to the blog. And it's the one thing they didn't say.

But Bergdahl view of the U.S. military and his country at the time the Taliban captured him are clear. Among the statements he had recently sent by email are these:
I am sorry for everything here. These people need help, yet what they get is the most conceited country in the world telling them that they are nothing and that they are stupid.

I am ashamed to be an American. And the title of US soldier is just the lie of fools. I am sorry for everything. The horror that is America is disgusting.
An Obama administration official, asked about the circumstances of Bergdahl’s capture, came close to acknowledging that Bergdahl had deserted, saying “frankly, we don’t give a s–t why he left; he’s an American soldier, we want to bring him home.”

I admire the sentiment, and an assessment of the prisoner exchange should not depend on Bergdahl’s character. For the reasons I offered here, the deal would be a bad one even if Bergdahl had been a model soldier and an unwavering patriot.

But I find it odd that an administration so intent on bringing Bergdahl home did not take substantial action to attempt the rescue of the brave Americans killed while defending our personnel in Benghazi. As I suggested yesterday, the key to Bergdahl rescue is probably lies not in a “no soldier left behind” mentality, but in Obama’s moronic desire to gain the trust of the Taliban.

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archive...ill-he-not.php
A prisoner with access to email. That doesn't set off any warning bells.
Any emails sent from that account just HAD to be sent by Bergdahl.
And there's no way he could have been under duress.
And a Obama administration official quote with no link has to be true.

The most disgusting thing about this is that you and your bitch pals have turned this guy into a club solely for the purpose of hammering Obama with it.

One minute you bitch about the VA treatment of veterans and the next you do this to an active duty soldier.
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Old 06-01-2014, 07:33 PM   #12
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The Bigger Question is:

Was this exchange worth it...did Obama get out played? Spoken truly by a person who has never risked more than a down's syndrome baby with his sister.


5 top Taliban Commanders for Bergdahl?

You be the judge.
Is it too much to say "We're glad you've been released. Thank you for sacrificing almost 20% of your life for us. Welcome back to the world."?
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Fuck you Munchmouth. How many good men and women risked their lives going after the Taliban Commanders Obama released (against the laws of our country).

Fuck youMunchmouth. Many good men and women in the military want to know why Obama did this deal at this point in time and in this manner.
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I don't think the Taliban was in power during the Reagan Presidency. The US supported the Mujahadeen. I believe the Mujahadeen was what later became the Taliban but they looked considerably different from 1979 to 2001. If I'm wrong I'm sure someone will cite the link.
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I don't think the Taliban was in power during the Reagan Presidency. The US supported the Mujahadeen. I believe the Mujahadeen was what later became the Taliban but they looked considerably different from 1979 to 2001. If I'm wrong I'm sure someone will cite the link.
The US supported the Mujahideen in the late 70's during the Carter adm to basically fight a proxy war against the Soviets. It seems to have been a tactic largely pushed by Zbigniew Brzezinski who was National Security Advisor at the time. The CIA played a large role in getting the Mujahideen up and running. Later that group would spawn other groups. Osama bin Laden developed Al-Qaeda in the late 80's. The Taliban rose to prominence in the mid 90's.
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