My girlfriends case of being stalked, tortured and thrown out of the window

[NinaBrooke]

Originally Posted by WTF

My comment was directed at Marshall and his ilk.

They think because they have been waterboarded that it is ok to do it to others.

How fucking stupid.

It is like petting a pet Lion and petting a wild one.

He and people like him are bragging about petting a tame Lion. They then try and say that petting a wild one is ok. ( As long as they do not have to pet the wild muther fucker!)

Nothing could be further from the truth.

When one party does not know if they are going to drown or not it is torture.

So Marshall is correct, he knew he wasn't going to drown.

Where he and his cronies error is by then thinking that it is ok to act like you are going to drown a person that does not know if it will be their last breath. That is what happened to this escort. So really , I doubt Marshall response was directed at you or your post, it was directed towards mine. I am just exposing his slight of hand trick to all those that think it is ok to torture people.

I am on your side. You did not understand my point. I am sorry for hijacking your thread.

I get that, and i see that people from the military and terrorists are trained to endure that. At least to a certain amount.
I did not get your cynical humour at this time, sorry for misunderstanding.

But again, my girlfriend was not a terrorist and her torturer was not military trained.
Neither did she see it coming nor did she deserve it.

So , please stop discussing waterboarding in my thread! you and marshall open up a new one and rip yourselves a new one on your own thread.
I do not think that such pathetic discussions do my girlfriend justice and i expect a little more empathy here!

[WTF]

Originally Posted by ninasastri

Then there is something seriously wrong with your quotations! Because why quote MY post when you answer to something someone else said??

Can you people stop discussing waterboarding in my thread please and open up another one? its pathetic and lacks empathy. I don`t see the correlations between acts of war and acts of lunatics?

Sure....like I already said, sorry for hijacking your thread. I said that in my first post, I said that in my second post and I'm saying it now.

btw, just because you can not see the correlation does not mean that there isn't one.

[NinaBrooke]

Originally Posted by Marshall

You should apologize to Nina for being such an insensitive clod......I expect no apology for your numbing ignorance. I can tolerate it almost as well as water-boarding......I must confess to admiring you for your ability to not care what others think of you, even if such uncaring led you to be an insensitive clod to Nina for which you don't apologize.....

I think anyone mentioning military torture in a thread like this is insensitive and i don`t think she deserves that.

My ex husband was a military i do have an understanding of these methods but they have no place for being discussed here.

Terrorists and militaries are trained personal! To compare such things to what happened to my GF is ---- well, more than unbearable.

You and WTF go play somewhere else! your games have no place in my thread! Its disrespectful and pathetic.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by Marshall

You should apologize to Nina for being such an insensitive clod......I expect no apology for your numbing ignorance. I can tolerate it almost as well as water-boarding......I must confess to admiring you for your ability to not care what others think of you, even if such uncaring led you to be an insensitive clod to Nina for which you don't apologize.....

Hot damn, I apologized three times already.

I'll not do a fourth!

Originally Posted by Marshall

I agree, especially when the treatment is being administered by Drill-Master-Psycho.......but will you agree reading WTF is worse?

Don't answer him Wakeup, at least not in this thread. No more posting in this thread.

[NinaBrooke]

Originally Posted by Marshall

I'm not in the least implying she did anything to deserve what happened to her.....I looked at the article you posted and looked at the picture of the attacker. Assuming your girlfriend is of similar age and looks to you, it leaves me puzzled as to her reasons for entering a personal relationship with this individual. My puzzlement is a general puzzlement for which she is just one example. A lot of times I just stratch my head at women's romantic selections. I always avoid entering relationships with women who have a history of making poor selections in partners......this post requires no response on your part unless you can't help yourself.....

She is a tiny bit younger than me, her photos are in the article too. you have to clikc on the photo then you see.

Making poor judgements in partners? She did not, because she LEFT him. They have not been involved for so long. a few months so to speak. He would stalk her everywhere.
Besides, i don`t think looks add up to personality or character. You think if he "looked better" he would have been "less insane" :-) ??

So - again - are we blaming the victim here? What happened to her could have happened to EVERYONE of us. She did not do something so different than other women, and his first victim was not an escort. I agree on not dating clients, but i have to say i am anyway wary about dating anyone. sometimes i wonder how anyone makes it out alive out of bed? you can never know a person THAT well.

Some people are married for decades and have no clue what their partner does. So?

Its ridiculous to think everything can be prevented with screening and/or gut feelings. Life and people are not that predictable.

If i were her i would have not agreed to see him again let alone in his appartement. She was a bit naive in a few things, that is true, but in this case she did not do particularly something totally unusual. He was her ex and she agreed to talk to him in his appartement. Some people actually do that. The court was also asking why she did not choose a public restaurant.

The creeper actually chose her because she resembled his ex (the one he killed) and she remembered when he tortured her, that he was calling her by the other ones name. These women do look alike.

[NinaBrooke]

Originally Posted by WTF

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Now that is funny....Many might scratch their heads at a woman entering a relationship with you

:-) bad tongues could speak of a very bad relationship choice there... :-)

[Makayla of Missouri]

WOW!!! I don't normally comment on "bickering" threads, but I, for one, am appalled at the way some of you supposed gentlemen who are VERIFIED members of ECCIE have treated this poor girl regarding her post! Not eveyone has had the same life experiences as ya'll but to be sure, EVERYONE here is human and has feelings!

Please, keep ECCIE professional, upscale, and respectful. There is no need nor reason for insensitive, crass remarks here. WB has nothing, and I repeat, NOTHING, to do with the poor provider's experience! We all can call ourselves 'dumbasses' from time to time for some of the boneheaded decisions by providers, sam-sausage-head decisions by clients, and completely out of line decisions by both.

Let it go, please, and leave this girl to her warning to others!

p.s. -- maybe my signature line should be taken into consideration by some of us.....

[NinaBrooke]

Originally Posted by thickgrlswag

WOW!!! I don't normally comment on "bickering" threads, but I, for one, am appalled at the way some of you supposed gentlemen who are VERIFIED members of ECCIE have treated this poor girl regarding her post! Not eveyone has had the same life experiences as ya'll but to be sure, EVERYONE here is human and has feelings!

Please, keep ECCIE professional, upscale, and respectful. There is no need nor reason for insensitive, crass remarks here. WB has nothing, and I repeat, NOTHING, to do with the poor provider's experience! We all can call ourselves 'dumbasses' from time to time for some of the boneheaded decisions by providers, sam-sausage-head decisions by clients, and completely out of line decisions by both.

Let it go, please, and leave this girl to her warning to others!

p.s. -- maybe my signature line should be taken into consideration by some of us.....

Thank you.

[EJunkie]

Horrible story.



I do hope that she is able to recover.


It can be very difficult to recognize sociopaths before it is too late.

[Camille]

Originally Posted by ninasastri

Hi,
This article is unfortunately in german, but google translate, or any other internet translation tool should be sufficient

http://www.bild.de//regional/leipzig...0236.bild.html

The awful scenario happened in 2009 and the court proceedings started february this year and the last hearing was just a few weeks ago. My girlfriend was lucky to survive the incident, she was in a coma for a while.
She got involved privately with a client, when she realized she did not want to date him anymore, he lured her into her appartement, and tortured her for 21 hours with all cruelties possible (drowing her in the bathtub, beating her up, threatening to cut her face and her bodyparts away from her when she makes a peep, he repeatedly told her no one will miss her when she is dead).
finally she tried to escape thru the window fearing for her life, when she did so, she realized how high it was and held on to the window, that was when this guy slapped her on the hand so she finally fell down a three store floor.
Lucky her fell first on a small roof and then hit the grass, otherwise there would have been no chance whatsoever to survive.
Her mother and me were accompagnying her to court and the strange thing was that the investigation method did not work at first, so they had to postphone the hearing (the camera and speakers did not work - she was in a separate room to not face her torturer). Another incident on the side was that the female "secretary" of the defense-attorney for the accused torturer began to laugh because the attorney wanted to know what "deep throat" is (she had to describe all acts of the rape) and the judge told her , if she thinks this is funny she has to immidiately leave the court.
Its a surprise that a woman can laugh about such sexual acts put on another woman. No man found that to be funny?

Detail on the side: The guy has already stabbed to death his former lover who also wanted to leave him. He got sentenced to 9 years in prison, went free after 6 years and then got to know my friend (her name is changed when she agreed to do the interview).
Great justice system, Germany!
Another detail: if she had not survived that case would have been treated as a random suicide. No one - even after repeatedly asked by the mother and all friends - would have bothered to investigate that case.
But thank god escorts also have friends and a very very very good attorney who is friends with her and me took over the case and investigated it - til this breakthru happened.
The decision is not due yet, but chances are he will never be set free at all anymore.

I wanted to post this as a token to see that justice finally can happen and that escorts are treated with respect. The newspapers mentioned her to be a luxury callgirl from switzerland and him being a client, but in no way ever was it the typical (yes sure that happens w ith whores treatment the medias usually give) . A very respectful article seeking justice.
Also the husband of the lover he killed before was actively seeking the court and wants justice to be done. Everyone is horrified and the fact she worked as an escort does not matter to anyone. The court people were beyond friendly and helpful even though they knew we all were escorts and Leipzig is a small conservative town.

Nina, for some odd reason when I read this on my ipad it wouldnt link to the article, only the home page. Now I have read it on my laptop I'm more horrified than I was when I read your explanation.

He threatened to dismember her? Holy jesus. I'm not at all inclined to think that was a fake threat either given what he did to both your friend and the women he killed perviously. It says in the article that he was released for the murder in 2008 and you said he served 9 years....and the article says that he made a beeline for his next target which ended up being your friend. How the hell do fucked up people like that end up getting out? I mean seriously, there must surely have been some signs that he he was not remotely rehabilitated? It will be interesting to see what the parole and probation reports say because that MUST be early release? Btw, in Germany, how long is a life sentence? There is a massive difference between "life" in the US and in the UK. Not sure how it is in Germany. Whilst it won't change what happened to your friend she might be able to file suit for wrongful release...or whatever it is called.

From what the article says, what you've said and his background, I don't think your GF being an escort had anything to do with his actions. He may have opted to meet an escort initially because it's less troublesome explaining why you don't have a job (I asusme he didn't with his recent record?) or where the hell you have been for the last several years....but this guy would have done this anyway. The article mal
kes clear it was premeditated and a plan he put into action very shortly after his release and by no means a reaction to anything she did. As reporting goes, they've been pretty decent about downplaying her escort life and heaving the focus onto EXACTLY what it should be.. HIM!!! Bastard. Edited to add* Thinking about it, if he could fool parole into thinking he's rehabiliated, it's not a stretch at all to see that he could fool someone into a relationship. I don't see that as a reflection of your GF's choices at all...but the parole folks are supposed to be SPECIFICALLY qualified for assessing shit like him...so they need to provide some bloody answers.

Please keep us updated Nina on how this progresses...and particularly what comes out about his pre-release assessments. I'm very curious about how that will play out and what is said....

Camille xx

[NinaBrooke]

Originally Posted by Camille

He threatened to dismember her? Holy jesus. I'm not at all inclined to think that was a fake threat either given what he did to both your friend and the women he killed perviously. It says in the article that he was released for the murder in 2008 and you said he served 9 years....and the article says that he made a beeline for his next target which ended up being your friend. How the hell do fucked up people like that end up getting out? I mean seriously, there must surely have been some signs that he he was not remotely rehabilitated? It will be interesting to see what the parole and probation reports say because that MUST be early release? Btw, in Germany, how long is a life sentence? There is a massive difference between "life" in the US and in the UK. Not sure how it is in Germany. Whilst it won't change what happened to your friend she might be able to file suit for wrongful release...or whatever it is called.

From what the article says, what you've said and his background, I don't think your GF being an escort had anything to do with his actions. He may have opted to meet an escort initially because it's less troublesome explaining why you don't have a job (I asusme he didn't with his recent record?) or where the hell you have been for the last several years....but this guy would have done this anyway. The article mal
kes clear it was premeditated and a plan he put into action very shortly after his release and by no means a reaction to anything she did. As reporting goes, they've been pretty decent about downplaying her escort life and heaving the focus onto EXACTLY what it should be.. HIM!!! Bastard. Edited to add* Thinking about it, if he could fool parole into thinking he's rehabiliated, it's not a stretch at all to see that he could fool someone into a relationship. I don't see that as a reflection of your GF's choices at all...but the parole folks are supposed to be SPECIFICALLY qualified for assessing shit like him...so they need to provide some bloody answers.

Please keep us updated Nina on how this progresses...and particularly what comes out about his pre-release assessments. I'm very curious about how that will play out and what is said....

Camille xx

The first case was titled as "manslaugher" and not murder, why is a mystery to me, because the killing was premeditated. His first victim was torn between him and her husband and then chose to stay with her husband. He then waited for her to come to her appartement and shot her from behind in cold blood. Then he walked away.
The son of the first victim found his dying mother in front of the appartement door.
For murder - if the premeditation would have been prooved - he would have gotten life-sentence , which is 15 years in Germany and Austria.
Usually they do life-sentence and for extremely severe cases then somethig called "security detention" afterwards.

The first court decision was based on the fact that it was "manslaughter" based on emotional predeterminants. A murder is something planned in cold blood. That is why he got a way with a 9 year sentence (and he went free on parole after 6 years).

He held a job. He was german and a good burgeoise adapted man. I don`t know how he did it, i think he forged paperwork (he was in prison for years i am sure he had some contacts) but he held a good earning job in switzerland as a bookkeeper and lived there til he found my friend.

When the stuff happened with my friend, she was in a coma and could not remember many things afterwards. When she fell he did not call the ambulance or the police which weights heavily against him. Passers by called the police. He tried to downplay everything like a suicide. But sicne he had a history of harrassing her and even abused her one time (he hit her in the face) which actually led to her leaving him.

The whole action was premeditated, she resembled the ex gf and interestingly, my friend told me later, that during the time he tortured her he confessed to her that he has humiliated many other women, and beaten them. But none of them came forward due to the trial.

I think he is something like a serial abuser of women and when they leave him he threatens to kill them. I wonder to how many other women that has happened. I refuse to believe that they were the only two women he ever went berserk about. I wonder why they did not have him evaluated psychologically.

Rumours say he never stomached the turning point from "DDR to the republic of germany" he was well of in eastern german communism, but the pressure of capitalism broke him. He used to live a high roler lifestyle but not being able to really afford it. Full into depth, but hiring escorts. I never understand that. The gap between his delusional self and the reality was simply too much to endure. I think he needed the power and the control over something or someone elses life, because his life was out of control.
But that is only one aspect of many other aspects.

The trial is over now, i don`t know yet if there is another trial or if they come to a decision now.

But i think its important for every woman to know that IF a guy abuses her in any way that it is necessary to report that. I am seriously surprised how many women get a bused and beaten and do not report that. The more details they have on such guys the more easy it gets to detain them.

[EJunkie]

I've recommended "Snakes in Suits" to many escorts. It's an interesting read. Authored by the guy who developed the official "test" for sociopaths it examines how sociopaths are fairly common in the higher reaches of the corporate world.

Which is coincidentally, similar to the client base.

http://www.snakesinsuits.com/

[NinaBrooke]

Originally Posted by EJunkie

I've recommended "Snakes in Suits" to many escorts. It's an interesting read. Authored by the guy who developed the official "test" for sociopaths it examines how sociopaths are fairly common in the higher reaches of the corporate world.

Which is coincidentally, similar to the client base.

http://www.snakesinsuits.com/

YOu mean like american psycho?
Thanks for this recommendation and thanks for your other post as well. My girlfreind had numerous surgeries and still has a few to come. But she is out of the hospital now (she was in it for more than a year).

[EJunkie]

Originally Posted by ninasastri

YOu mean like american psycho?
Thanks for this recommendation and thanks for your other post as well. My girlfreind had numerous surgeries and still has a few to come. But she is out of the hospital now (she was in it for more than a year).

That's great news.


No. not like American Psycho, Snakes in Suits is a scientific analysis (done by leaders in the field) of sociopaths in business. PM me if you want more info,

[NinaBrooke]

Originally Posted by EJunkie

That's great news.


No. not like American Psycho, Snakes in Suits is a scientific analysis (done by leaders in the field) of sociopaths in business. PM me if you want more info,

I am highly intrigued by this book will read any buy it. Yes i realized the difference now to american psycho. :-) It must be agreat book. Thanks again for recommending it.