Is this a new thing?

[Spazzer37golf]

You want money upfront? You won't get any at all because I'll find another. Brilliant business practice.

[Gabrielle]

Originally Posted by A1n2d3y4

Most for the adds asking for a deposit upfront are scams anyway.

Where, exactly, did you get this information? It's simply not true.

It's common "review board" rhetoric to pull the "but what if she rips me off"... then YOU ("hobbyist) FAILED to do your homework. It doesn't happen as often as y'all make it out.


The reality is most sex workers who are around longer than a few months are not going to risk their reputation for your measly 100 bucks.

1,000 good sessions > 1 bad session

The number of good experiences taking place FAR outnumbers the bad. Much of the "bad" can be avoided if you do your homework.



It's a LONG SHOT but since I'm involved in activism'ing, I don't take chances with potential charges...

I don't require deposits. I require screening fees to be paid upon screening completion. It is a non refundable fee to compensate for screening. Screening takes time. I don't work for free.

Y'all created a toxic minefield for us to play in (review culture)...then whine and bitch when we take precautions to protect ourselves? REALLY?









Need a little cheese?

[burgh1]

Originally Posted by A1n2d3y4

I think if you pay up front your just asking to get ripped off. Most for the adds asking for a deposit upfront are scams anyway.

And that was prety much my point. But at the same time, at the higher end the theme is screening with RW info, and deposits. It's making this whole thing so difficult that its almost not worth the effort.

[bambino]

Originally Posted by Gabrielle

Where, exactly, did you get this information? It's simply not true.

It's common "review board" rhetoric to pull the "but what if she rips me off"... then YOU ("hobbyist) FAILED to do your homework. It doesn't happen as often as y'all make it out.


The reality is most sex workers who are around longer than a few months are not going to risk their reputation for your measly 100 bucks.

1,000 good sessions > 1 bad session

The number of good experiences taking place FAR outnumbers the bad. Much of the "bad" can be avoided if you do your homework.



It's a LONG SHOT but since I'm involved in activism'ing, I don't take chances with potential charges...

I don't require deposits. I require screening fees to be paid upon screening completion. It is a non refundable fee to compensate for screening. Screening takes time. I don't work for free.

Y'all created a toxic minefield for us to play in (review culture)...then whine and bitch when we take precautions to protect ourselves? REALLY?









Need a little cheese?

:ro flmao::roflm ao:

[SixtyPlus]

This whole conversation makes one realize just how important the role Indys played in maintaining the delicate balance between trust and accountability that hobbying requires. It wasn't perfect, but it was better than things are now.

[berryberry]

Originally Posted by Gabrielle

I require screening fees to be paid upon screening completion. It is a non refundable fee to compensate for screening. Screening takes time.

Talk about scams - a non refundable fee for screening is a big scam.

I mean really - what business requires you to pay them upfront so they can evaluate if they want to do business with you.

[Lexxxy]

Originally Posted by berryberry

Damn straight and well said Bambino. As I said in my post, it has nothing to do with the $ amount. It is based on other factors. And the hypocrisy here is amazing.

I certainly am not a client of a $50 visit 18 year old with a candy habit. Just as I am not a client of over the hill providers charging GPS rates either. Nowadays, when I hobby, which is not as often as before, I usually see visitors to this area who have realistic rates because I have found they have a better attitude and are less jaded than the local providers. But mainly I save a lot of my hobby budget and enjoy myself for a month in Florida with a host of young, hot accommodating woman and never have to spend over 200 an hour for an awesome time. And not a single one asks for a deposit

That's fine and dandy, good for you. It completely translates to you advocating the predatory behavior of exploiting and taking advantage of naive, young, and desperate girls. You proved my point for me, thank you

[bambino]

Originally Posted by berryberry

Talk about scams - a non refundable fee for screening is a big scam.

I mean really - what business requires you to pay them upfront so they can evaluate if they want to do business with you.

Actually, mine does. You need to be credentialed to enter the facilities. You have to give them all sorts of info including getting TB, Hep C shots. It costs around $250 per year per facility. It’s pricey and a pain in the ass. There’s a kiosk in each facility where you enter you’re info and it prints your badge. But it’s a legitimate, or should I say legal business. It’s standard operating for people in my business. The hobby is a completely different situation. The other difference is I’m on the sales end of the transaction, not the buying end. I’m certainly not going to pay a provider to do any screening. For a host of obvious reasons.

[berryberry]

Originally Posted by Lexxxy

That's fine and dandy, good for you. It completely translates to you advocating the predatory behavior of exploiting and taking advantage of naive, young, and desperate girls. You proved my point for me, thank you

WTF??? You are just spreading delusional falsehoods now

Just how does my comment advocate for predatory behavior as well as exploiting and taking advantage of naive, young, and desperate girls.

How?
Spell it out

Are you saying these women can't make up their own mind?
Are you saying these women can't determine what a reasonable rate is for them?
Are you saying just because these women freely choose to not participate in the scam deposit scheme that they are being exploited and taken advantage of?

Ever consider these women have more business sense than you do.

[Sickman68]

I'm going to start my own screening process to weed out ads with misleading pics.

[bambino]

Originally Posted by Lexxxy

That's fine and dandy, good for you. It completely translates to you advocating the predatory behavior of exploiting and taking advantage of naive, young, and desperate girls. You proved my point for me, thank you

Cmon Lexxy, Berry said nothing of the sort. It’s one thing to have a civil debate, but you and Morgan have been pretty caustic in your posts. And providers complain about hobbyists being rude. Life’s about choices. As is the hobby. People can make their own choices. No need to denigrate others.

[Lexxxy]

There are very costly screening services that can cost into hundreds a month and expensive advertising sites. A girl recently had a tweet with screen shots of her paying $3000 for touring ads in a short period of time. I personally don't pay for screening aps or agencies because I prefer to screen myself. I can see a small screening fee because those using it pay per screen on some.

[tannana]

Originally Posted by Lexxxy

If a $25 deposit/cancellation fee with an established Lady that has a solid reputation breaks your bank you need a cheaper hobby like bird watching or can collecting on the side of the road.

It isn't a question of whether it breaks the bank. My minimum wager at a blackjack table is usually two quarters. It is whether it is necessary and/or a good idea, and the answer on both fronts is a resounding NO.

As an aside--this business of inferring that people who are not stupid (fronting money to a provider in a not-exactly-legit business) are cheap is simply astounding. I think what you will find is that a lot of folks who can afford to hobby regularly didn't get to that point financially by regularly making horrible risk/return decisions such as fronting a provider money.

If it works for you, so be it. I've immediately moved on each and every time it has been broached as a "Requirement." Roughly 1/3 of those times, suddenly the "requirement" went away.

Originally Posted by bambino

:ro flmao::roflm ao:

" review culture". One of the things I enjoy about the SJW movement is that when it has no intellectual answer for something (to wit, the transparency that reviews bring to a previously opaque business), it stigmatizes it. The real fear about transparency in any business is a financial one from those who want to be protected from the reality of a functioning marketplace for something. Reviews enable it. Heaven forbid a buyer have information, right?

What's shitty is that there are guys who will actually believe some of this stuff. Remember--money talks.

[bigdickdaddydom]

Never been ripped off. Have been refunded for canceled trips. Never paid to get screened. Aint sayin I wouldn't tho. IMHO it comes down to me doin my homework on her too. The bad dates I had were with crazy bitches I gamble on n nobodies. I ain't givin a big depo to a nobody r girl in bad area. Common sense. If she has reviews. Has a followin. Interactions with followers. Sure I'll send a depo. Never served me wrong. My lawyer has a retainer. Tattoo artists require depo. Dentist n barber got cancellation fees. Used to have a trainer n if I canceled I still had to pay for my session. Why should this be diff?

[berryberry]

Originally Posted by Lexxxy

There are very costly screening services that can cost into hundreds a month and expensive advertising sites. A girl recently had a tweet with screen shots of her paying $3000 for touring ads in a short period of time. I personally don't pay for screening aps or agencies because I prefer to screen myself. I can see a small screening fee because those using it pay per screen on some.

I see you avoided answering my questions here. Why am I not surprised? Here they are again

WTF??? You are just spreading delusional falsehoods now

Just how does my comment advocate for predatory behavior as well as exploiting and taking advantage of naive, young, and desperate girls.

How?
Spell it out

Are you saying these women can't make up their own mind?
Are you saying these women can't determine what a reasonable rate is for them?
Are you saying just because these women freely choose to not participate in the scam deposit scheme that they are being exploited and taken advantage of?

Ever consider these women have more business sense than you do.

Are you going to answer or are you going to continue your low class approach making false and inflammatory statements without support. Or admit that you made an error. Anyone can see I wrote nothing of the sort.