Hydroxychoroquine or Choroquine Treatment for Covid-19

[Why_Yes_I_Do]

Nope. This particular thread started with a heap'n help'n of ballyhoo over a rushed study by Lancet - which lends itself to exploitation by the TDS crowd. The OP has cross threaded a snippet of a convo from another thread - which covered a different rushed study (vaccine trial by Moderna). That's why the context doesn't flow except in the OP's (OP's user ID) sized mind ;-)

Originally Posted by Why_Yes_I_Do

Gates and Fauci, sitting in a tree - working on the cure for you and me. Appears that many might actually survive the cure so far.
20% of Human Test Subjects Severely Injured from Gates-Fauci Coronavirus Vaccine by Moderna

As to which patents Dr Fauci holds and receives $$ from and which investments Gates holds that he might profit from is a topic for a separate thread. Sounds as though OP is already aware of the cash flow issues - perhaps?

As to which comment would be the absolute, most childish and stupidest statement ever made by the OP - I do not believe a dedicated thread could contain that discussion.

Originally Posted by Tiny

You are not on the mark. The genesis of the thread was that Why_Yes_I_Do was pleased the Moderna vaccine had side effects ...

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by Tiny

There's a new study out, which is much more comprehensive than earlier ones,

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...180-6/fulltext

Expect physicians to stop prescribing hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine for Covid-19 patients.

The study examines 96,032 patients, of which 14,888 received hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine and the rest were considered the control group. They only included people who started on the drugs within 48 hours of entering the hospital, and measures of the severity of the disease were similar in the control group and the groups that took the drugs.

I'll just quote results for those who took hydroxycholoroquine without an antibiotic. Results are a little better for those who just took chloroquinine and a little worse for those who combined the drugs with antibiotics (macrolides in the paper).

9.3% of the people who didn't take hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine died, and 0.3% suffered ventricular arrhythmias.
For those who took hydroxychloroquine alone, 18% died and 6.1% suffered ventricular arrhythmias.

Does this mean that people like President Trump who are taking hydroxychloroquine as a prophylaxis are more likely to die? Maybe so, maybe not. There's not enough data out there to know. I sure wouldn't take the stuff. He and everyone around him should wear masks instead.

Aside: Anyone like Friendly Fred who's interested in comorbidities should look at Table 1 in the Lancet paper (linked above). 61% of the people who died were obese.

Originally Posted by LexusLover

Didn't wade through all the sewage in this thread, but it appears ... and I stress the word "appears" .... that someone who doesn't like Trump and wishes Trump were not President is whining because Trump is taking a pharmaceutical that the whiner believes is not safe for him to take.

Did this same whiner get all upset when Trump appeared without a mask?

Am I far from "the mark"?

Originally Posted by Tiny

You are not on the mark. The genesis of the thread was that Why_Yes_I_Do was pleased the Moderna vaccine had side effects at the largest dose, 100 mcg. This is because he believed Fauci and Gates stood to make a bundle if the vaccine worked. I replied ..... (blah, blah, blah!

You are the one "not on the mark"! You're not even on topic! Quit whining!

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by Why_Yes_I_Do

That's why the context doesn't flow except in the OP's (OP's user ID) sized mind ;-)

I on the other hand think you're pretty intelligent. You're just brainwashed. But it's harmless. It's not like you were brainwashed by Jim Jones or L. Ron Hubbard. You won't be contributing half your salary or drinking Kool Aid for Donald Trump.

[HedonistForever]

Originally Posted by Tiny

I on the other hand think you're pretty intelligent. You're just brainwashed. But it's harmless. It's not like you were brainwashed by Jim Jones or L. Ron Hubbard. You won't be contributing half your salary or drinking Kool Aid for Donald Trump.

Something I think we all agree on when others don't believe what "you" ( I ) don't believe. I would hope that with most of us it is harmless but we've seen the proof like the guy bringing a gun to a pizza parlor, that it isn't always.

[Why_Yes_I_Do]

That giant flushing sound you hear is the Lancet study being flushed down the drain.

Lancet withdraws controversial study linking HCQ to higher Covid death risk over data issues

The Lancet, one of the world’s most prominent medical journals, Thursday retracted an important study that linked the anti-malarial drug hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) to higher risk of death and irregular heart rhythms in Covid-19 patients.

The study, which had prompted even the World Health Organization (WHO) to pause HCQ clinical trials in Covid-19 patients last month under its giant ‘solidarity trial’, has been questioned for parsing through data in lesser-than-usual time, and has faced allegations of data fabrication too.

A second study, conducted by one of the Lancet researchers, claiming cardiovascular diseases increased chances of in-hospital Covid-19 death, has been withdrawn as well from the New England Journal of Medicine (NEJM), another highly respected medical journal for similar reasons...

Whelp, garbage-in, garbage now out.

[nevergaveitathought]

Originally Posted by Why_Yes_I_Do

That giant flushing sound you hear is the Lancet study being flushed down the drain.

Lancet withdraws controversial study linking HCQ to higher Covid death risk over data issues

The Lancet, one of the world’s most prominent medical journals, Thursday retracted an important study that linked the anti-malarial drug hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) to higher risk of death and irregular heart rhythms in Covid-19 patients.

The study, which had prompted even the World Health Organization (WHO) to pause HCQ clinical trials in Covid-19 patients last month under its giant ‘solidarity trial’, has been questioned for parsing through data in lesser-than-usual time, and has faced allegations of data fabrication too.

A second study, conducted by one of the Lancet researchers, claiming cardiovascular diseases increased chances of in-hospital Covid-19 death, has been withdrawn as well from the New England Journal of Medicine (NEJM), another highly respected medical journal for similar reasons...

Whelp, garbage-in, garbage now out.

sounds just like global warming

[oeb11]

DPST's will be so disappointed - they can't give OHCQ out and expect their millions of deaths they so desire!

[Ripmany]

I lick silver coins to get silver in my body.

[oeb11]

UHB under another handle?????

[Why_Yes_I_Do]

Originally Posted by Why_Yes_I_Do

That giant flushing sound you hear is the Lancet study being flushed down the drain.

Lancet withdraws controversial study linking HCQ to higher Covid death risk over data issues
...

Odd. The above was the only MSM-ish article I could find on the subject. It's heavily covered in India and UK, but not here. Weird too, in that CNN dedicated over 90 minutes to it in a single day when it originally came out, as did most MSM outlets. But now it's crickets from them. Maybe news travels slower there. Go figure.

[oeb11]

They only publish what is consistent with their narrative.

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by Why_Yes_I_Do

That giant flushing sound you hear is the Lancet study being flushed down the drain.

Lancet withdraws controversial study linking HCQ to higher Covid death risk over data issues

The Lancet, one of the world’s most prominent medical journals, Thursday retracted an important study that linked the anti-malarial drug hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) to higher risk of death and irregular heart rhythms in Covid-19 patients.

The study, which had prompted even the World Health Organization (WHO) to pause HCQ clinical trials in Covid-19 patients last month under its giant ‘solidarity trial’, has been questioned for parsing through data in lesser-than-usual time, and has faced allegations of data fabrication too.

A second study, conducted by one of the Lancet researchers, claiming cardiovascular diseases increased chances of in-hospital Covid-19 death, has been withdrawn as well from the New England Journal of Medicine (NEJM), another highly respected medical journal for similar reasons...

Whelp, garbage-in, garbage now out.

Go ahead and gloat. There's strong consensus this stuff doesn't help people infected with Covid 19 and it doesn't prevent infection with Covid 19. There are lots of potential side effects.

[Why_Yes_I_Do]

Originally Posted by Tiny

Go ahead and gloat. There's strong consensus this stuff doesn't help people infected with Covid 19 and it doesn't prevent infection with Covid 19. There are lots of potential side effects.

There is strong consensus, backed by actual data that:

• Most people don't even know they have the Chinese disease COVID
• Most people that are healthy are unbothered by Wuhan, China's COVID
• Most elderly people in nursing homes are much more likely to survive an outbreak of the Chinese COVID if they do not live in a Blue State where their governor forces them to admit people infected by the Wuhan Chinese COVID
• Most generally healthy people that are symptomatic with Communist China's COVID
  • stay home
  • drink plenty of fluids
  • maybe take aspirin
  • survive just fine

P.S. None of the above requires any government intervention, lock down or contact tracing

P.S.S. Might be a good time to book that trip to Hong Kong. I understand it's tear gas season again and it's in full bloom.

[eccielover]

Originally Posted by Tiny

Go ahead and gloat. There's strong consensus this stuff doesn't help people infected with Covid 19 and it doesn't prevent infection with Covid 19. There are lots of potential side effects.

And as I've pointed out in several threads and more and more evidence is coming to light regarding Wuhan virus being tied to blood clots and Lupus like symptoms.

And ironically enough HCQ is often used as a LUPUS treatment. So while not necessarily the "best" treatment as more is being released, it certainly had potential and still does in at least some blood clotting and treatment effects.

Right now the consensus is there remains no consensus and the contrary studies are slowly being proven false.

[gfejunkie]

That's what happens when the media mixes politics with pharmacology. Nobody knows what the fuck they're talking about.