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Old 10-05-2014, 12:23 AM   #46
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Hello gentlemen.. Although I loveeeee the hobby, im looking for a more stable relationship!
College and everyday life leave me little time to deal with the cons of a relationship and pros of the hobby.. A sugardaddy/sugarbaby relationship seems to be the in between of the two.. (based on what i know)
So here is kind of what I am looking for. If the following arrangements seem to interest you, check out my profile and give me a shout! (;
Sweet upscale, educated gentleman with an upbeat personality
About 2 visits a week (potentially more)
An understood financial agreement (monthly)
More than just sex!!! Ocassional dinners and outtings
A BOND! I want you to feel comfortable with me, as well as I with you!

I enjoy sports, outdoors activities, shopping, traveling, reading, and more! I am a registered dental assistant as well as attending school full time! Im looking for fun, support, and of course wild crazy sex!! :P
This is just a few of the "qualities" i prefer.. PM me if interested! (;
Try the sugarddaddyforme site I've met some great guys there as well!
I am very low volume so for ladies like me the sd/sb thing is now on my radar as well
I totally know what you mean about the college and everyday life part leaving little time for the pros and cons!
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Old 10-05-2014, 12:28 AM   #47
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Flew over my head? LOL. Name one woman in my social circle.
I think you're confused. Again.

You said "most woman." No mention of a social circle.

Not until I suggested you might enlarge it.

Just say "Uncle," dude. You're really embarrassing yourself here.
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The down side is that it is not easy to find just ONE sugar daddy that can fully sponsor your life, and it is probably not a good idea to put all your eggs in one basket either, especially in the early stages.
Sounds to me like your expectations were beyond what the majority of successful relationships are about.

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On average, sugar daddies are willing to give you about 400 per visit once a week, and a visit usually entails dinner and/or drinks and private companionship. You will probably have to step down a bit from your current lifestyle.
No real daddy is handing a girl anything per visit.

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Also, sugar daddies don't always like to date escorts.
Most SDs know where to find a whore when they want one. Dating them is of no interest.

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They mostly go for the girl-next-door, struggling through school type. If you want to be successful, I would advise to choose carefully the details of your life that you share with them. Anyway, there is someone out there for everyone. Good luck!!
If he has any experience at it then he will find out soon enough..... I know who she is, where she is from and have a complete picture of any legal difficulties she has before we finish that first dinner. Usually with her being clueless to how it happens....

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I spent months on SD forums, and there are three types of SD's that I encountered: the "monthly allowance" type, the per visit sponsors, and the time-wasters.
You must have presented yourself in a manner that the real SD's recognized and steered clear of you as none of the 3 are an example of a real SD

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The per-visit guys are the only ones that I had success with. They will agree on a number, come over, share a glass of wine and a few laughs, or go to dinner etc and then have some privacy. No, this is not a hooker thing because you agree to be exclusive or to whatever terms you initially propose. You actually have a friendship and good chemistry and enjoy each other's company. They bring you the amount and stick it in your purse or on your dresser just as help with your bills or whatever, which is what many of them would do with their girlfriends anyway. They also bring you occasional gifts and lingerie, take you on trips, etc. It's a much greater commitment than being a "hooker", and you share so much more than sex and money. Being in a sugar relationship can be a great experience, I hope the nuisance that Gotyour6 has brought to this thread is not successful in discouraging anyone from trying it out. I think it would be a great stepping stone for someone looking to retire soon.
You don't come close to describing a real SD/SB relationship darlin..... Glad you found a way to have some fun and make some money but all you figured out was how to be a hooker with a regular....

Most Daddy/Baby relationships are bridges in the life of a baby where a guy steps in and props her up and provides the means for her to transition from one place to another. Not just financially but by mentoring and providing needed emotional support.

Mine has transitioned from being a naive and sheltered schoolgirl to a self confident young woman. From dressing like 90% of typical college CoEds to having a wardrobe of professional attire that sets her aside of everyone in her class and landed her a prized internship in the program she graduates from in May. She would tell you that she learned how to stand up for herself with her peers and how to set her self aside from others she goes to school with and really stand out. She would tell you that she is graduating 6 months early after being mentored and tutored in classes she found difficult and shown better ways to finance her education and life while attending school. She could probably talk for a couple of hours on how much she feels she has got from our relationship.

But........

I have never handed her cash or slipped money into her purse.
I have never taken her on a trip with me.
She does not get an "allowance"
She drives a modest car financed in her mothers name and shares an apartment with 3 roommates she grew up with that she goes to school with.

In the last 25 years there were 4 before her that all were a part of my life for 2 to 3 years each...... I called them mistresses...... Now the fashionable term is SB...

You would laugh at the money angle of our "relationship". She thinks what we have is priceless.

I can agree that each of the three examples of the men you met exist in the hunt for a real SD...... Then again..... There are those like you that exist in the hunt we take on when looking for a real SB... We both deal with fakes......


To you as well as the OP.... If you met a man, came to know him and established there was some chemistry and trust....and you ascertained that he as a man in a financial position to what he wants..... How would respond to hearing something like the following.....


"Stop what you are doing, let me get you a place to stay, show you how to get into and finance an education and I'll support you till you are finished with school. I'll provide for the things you need as well as probably spoil you a little here and there if you are treating me right............. Spend 1 day and 2 nights a week with me and 1 weekend a month.... We will go out, have fun and relax enjoying what life has to offer...."






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Old 10-05-2014, 07:29 PM   #50
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Seems reasonably clear where you stand:

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Good point. Most women would rather hang with their pimp who gets them hooked on drugs, takes all their money, and beats their ass if they don't produce than their grandparents.
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LOL. Yes, that is what I said
I am not sure I can add much to your own words.
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Old 10-06-2014, 12:49 AM   #51
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Honestly, I see nothing wrong with sugar dating. If a man and a woman wants to get together on their own terms for an exchange for an "Allowance", trips, cars ETC, I really don't see the issue with it.


I think honestly, a lot of people like to sugar coat the name. Another thing is that at the end of the day, it's a business. You are trading something. She wants the financial stability, men want the companionship and the intimacy.
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Old 10-07-2014, 01:55 AM   #52
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Thank you "whispers" for taking the time to break down, analyze, and respond to the different sections of my posts in this thread. Unfortunately I don't have the luxury of time nor the willingness to do the same with yours, especially after so much hostility! I will say one thing just for the record: I am a new provider, I was seeking a SD before entering the hobby, so I'm not sure why you are referring to me as a fake when my interests in that lifestyle were genuine.

Anyway, I've put in my 2 cents so I'm done with this thread. Good luck to all the ladies and gents venturing into the sugar world!
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Old 10-08-2014, 02:18 AM   #53
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Thank you "whispers" for taking the time to break down, analyze, and respond to the different sections of my posts in this thread. Unfortunately I don't have the luxury of time nor the willingness to do the same with yours, especially after so much hostility! I will say one thing just for the record: I am a new provider, I was seeking a SD before entering the hobby, so I'm not sure why you are referring to me as a fake when my interests in that lifestyle were genuine.

Anyway, I've put in my 2 cents so I'm done with this thread. Good luck to all the ladies and gents venturing into the sugar world!


I did not suggest you were a fake. I simply suggested that you did not encounter a true Sugar Daddy type and from the way you seem to present the concept I believe that the reason you did not lies in the way you portrayed yourself to that particular group.

The SD sites are crawling with all types and have a high number of whores on it as well as real gold diggers on the female side. Experienced SDs can spot a hooker in the midst pretty easily.... And I can tell you that in all the forums that are devoted to the concept that I visit.... there are no real SDs looking for hookers to be a Baby....

On the male side there is no shortage of Players out to get whatever they can for free as well as Johns preconditioned to seek cheap transactional sex.

Most of the hype about it that comes from the media attention has increased the number of those on all levels that are active which increases the number of bad experiences people have.

But in the mix are the real people that really reflect what it is all about. Many women are seeking things money cannot by them and there are men seeking experiences they cannot purchase elsewhere.

For example... I met a lady on SA a couple of years ago that had recorded 4 original songs after winning a couple of national talent contests looking for SD that could help her get into a studio with the right people to record an album. She was totally self sufficient and looking for a man with connections in that world. Something any guy with money could not simply buy. We decided early in our interactions that we were not a match but we became not only friends but fuck buddies for a while until she got engaged.....

I met another out of Boston when she was just 19 that was a musical prodigy as a child seeking a man with connections in the arts and a lifestyle that would allow her to accompany him to art exhibits around the world..... She was a woman I WISHED I had the ability to finance her dreams as she was a true treasure but what she wanted to experience was nothing simple enough to buy.....

The one thing about the lifestyle that you probably did not grasp is that it does take some investment of time. A relationship gets built and along the way trust gets built and someone ALWAYS has to take that leap of faith to begin building that trust.

Do SDs spend money on beautiful women that become their SBs because they want to fuck them? Absolutely.....

But it's not as much about dollar figures as it is about what the kind of man can provide for a woman he is interest in that aligns her with what she wants in life.

For anyone that approaches it with just money in mind on either side of the equation, they never seem to find their way into the real thing.

There are not a lot of people in this type of community that tend to really understand it.

Just as there is a huge difference real mod/sub behaviors and the lifestyle they live than the scenes acted out here by hookers and johns..... I would not begin to try to discuss that subject but I have learned the difference meeting a couple of truly submissive women.

Sorry you took what I was saying as a personal attack.

But when I read people trying to come off as someone knowledgable about a subject that it is so obvious that they really do not understand I tend to say a thing or two.





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I am also looking for a sugar daddy as well! Feel free to pm me too!
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OP - Very well written!
I am glad to see that you put yourself out there like that. It is a great post and I 'think' more girls feel the same way but don't post it for whatever reason.
This type of arrangement looks great to me...but I'm in Texas.
I wish you all the best and I'm sure someone will come along...
Very well written indeed. I think now that we know it's allowed, or not looked as an ad or ISO, many, many, more ladies will create these threads similar as to the OP. I myself love mutually beneficial arrangements, as do most providers. There are a few, however, that prefer to not invest/risk investing in so much emotionally for "guarenteed" funds and allowances, and only provide.

The real Sugar Daddies are rare. And nowadays ever provider who does a multi hour/overnight with the same man are quick to jump on the "oh he's my Sugar Daddy" train in attempts to distance themselves from being a hooker. Silly ego's. Its all the same...there is no set definition but there's an obvious difference between between escorts and Sugar Babies.
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Eva, I guess I disagree with you on part of your post. I have read a lot of the posts lot of this, and I still do not see the "obvious difference” between an escort and a SB. I have enjoyed reading the opinions on here, but the truth is I disagree with many of them. The entire escorting world is a very diverse one. While intimacy and money are the two staples, almost everything else has tremendous variability: time, frequency, mental/emotional intimacy, and the actual rules of engagement. At one end there is the streetwalker in Redhook who might see 15 men in an evening, none for more than 15 minutes. If they meet again a few weeks later, neither might remember the other, or care. At the other end can be a year or more exclusive relationship such as JessicaKnightly said she recently came out of. I find it impossible to think such a relationship is devoid of emotional connections and extreme amounts of YMMV on multiple levels. So where exactly is the boundary between SW, escort, ATF where the two people have completely redefined the expectations on both sides, SB, mistress, kept woman, etc., etc.? I truly believe the boundaries are impossible to define with precision. Everyone has their own “break points” between categories, but it is really no different than the different opinions about what “GFE” means.

I completely miss the need to put labels on such artificial differences. I especially refuse to pound my fist on the table and say someone else’s definition is “wrong”. The definition is whatever the two people involved think it is.

I have an UTR friend who stopped more traditional escorting and has for several years offers “shares” of her time. At any given time she only has 2-3 “shareholders”. It equates to a set amount a month (I have never been one of them, but when she mentioned it the cost was $2000/month). There was no exact definition of what one received for the money, but according to her reckoning it was multiple dates, home cooked meals (she is an excellent gourmet-caliber cook), and overnights each month. The only limits were the amount of time and creativity of the people involved. She is the closest I have met to a true nymphomaniac and cannot get too much sex. When she was escorting her rates were in the $2K for an overnight. I know she is not home most weekends, as I have apartment-sitted for her a number of weekends. Is she an escort, a SB, a kept woman? I have no idea. And I really doubt any of her current shareholders care. In her mind she is not an escort or SB. She refers to herself as a polyamorous mistress—yet another ill defined term.
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I did not suggest you were a fake. I simply suggested that you did not encounter a true Sugar Daddy type and from the way you seem to present the concept I believe that the reason you did not lies in the way you portrayed yourself to that particular group.

The SD sites are crawling with all types and have a high number of whores on it as well as real gold diggers on the female side. Experienced SDs can spot a hooker in the midst pretty easily.... And I can tell you that in all the forums that are devoted to the concept that I visit.... there are no real SDs looking for hookers to be a Baby....

On the male side there is no shortage of Players out to get whatever they can for free as well as Johns preconditioned to seek cheap transactional sex.

Most of the hype about it that comes from the media attention has increased the number of those on all levels that are active which increases the number of bad experiences people have.

But in the mix are the real people that really reflect what it is all about. Many women are seeking things money cannot by them and there are men seeking experiences they cannot purchase elsewhere.

For example... I met a lady on SA a couple of years ago that had recorded 4 original songs after winning a couple of national talent contests looking for SD that could help her get into a studio with the right people to record an album. She was totally self sufficient and looking for a man with connections in that world. Something any guy with money could not simply buy. We decided early in our interactions that we were not a match but we became not only friends but fuck buddies for a while until she got engaged.....

I met another out of Boston when she was just 19 that was a musical prodigy as a child seeking a man with connections in the arts and a lifestyle that would allow her to accompany him to art exhibits around the world..... She was a woman I WISHED I had the ability to finance her dreams as she was a true treasure but what she wanted to experience was nothing simple enough to buy.....

The one thing about the lifestyle that you probably did not grasp is that it does take some investment of time. A relationship gets built and along the way trust gets built and someone ALWAYS has to take that leap of faith to begin building that trust.

Do SDs spend money on beautiful women that become their SBs because they want to fuck them? Absolutely.....

But it's not as much about dollar figures as it is about what the kind of man can provide for a woman he is interest in that aligns her with what she wants in life.

For anyone that approaches it with just money in mind on either side of the equation, they never seem to find their way into the real thing.

There are not a lot of people in this type of community that tend to really understand it.

Just as there is a huge difference real mod/sub behaviors and the lifestyle they live than the scenes acted out here by hookers and johns..... I would not begin to try to discuss that subject but I have learned the difference meeting a couple of truly submissive women.

Sorry you took what I was saying as a personal attack.

But when I read people trying to come off as someone knowledgable about a subject that it is so obvious that they really do not understand I tend to say a thing or two.







You provided nothing of value here. All you did was say " there's some cute girls out there I couldn't afford, but I can game some". Who here can't? Your delusional and throwing stones at your delusions.
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This is my first post here, but I'm not a rookie. I used to post here a lot under another name, which for personal reasons had to disappear. I've dropped in to read periodically, but haven't felt the need to post before today. This thread and the vitriol it generated, changed my mind.

I have participated in this "hobby" for more years than I care to count and have played in a variety of price points and most of the segments - agencies, independents, HDH, sugar babbies, and a few I'm not sure how to classify. About the only non-messy thing I haven't done is BDSM where the gal ties you up and spanks you -- never saw much sense in that. In short, I've seen it all or most of it.

Sugar Babies have been around as long as any other form of pay-for-play sex. We used to call them mistresses. The Sugar Babbie term came in vogue about five years ago, maybe longer, with sites like seekingarrangement, sugardaddie, ashleymadison, etc. I have been seeing one off and on for about a year now.

The difference between escorts and SB's is not the financial arrangements. As Joanha noted, SB arrangements vary, as they do among escorts. They tend not to be "time based". Escorts have hourly, half hourly, multi-hour, overnight, weekend and "off the clock" arrangements.

To my mind, the big difference between SB's and escorts is the sex. SB sex seems to be more "uninhibited" and spontaneous. Its also more of a relationship and like any relationship with a woman, moods come into play. Sometimes you'll have dinner together, sometimes just jump each others bones. In my experience, these dates are almost always overnights. Escort sex, although generally great, seems more "commercial". Maybe its the time factor.

But over the years, I have known escorts on a similar basis to SB's. I have traveled with a number of ladies and I have seen others repeatedly over a number of years. I can remember at least a dozen ladies that I have seen a half dozen times or more. The fact of the matter, is after you have been with a lady (or vice versa) that many times, the situation changes. You get to know about each other -- real names, families, where they are going in life, etc. You learn likes and dislikes and what it takes to get them turned on. The SB model tries to jump start that process, but it takes time too.

I think what sugar.marie, the original poster, and the ladies that agreed with her are looking for is more certainty and continuity in life than they gets from a series of new faces. That might entail making less money, but it also entails less expense and stress. Guys like GotYour6 and others that piled on are in this for the variety and the "conquests". They have no interest in such an arrangement. I suspect if they saw a girl twice, that would be a lot.

Others, like myself, get variety in different ways. Sometimes I like fast food, sometimes a five course french meal. Despite the fact that I saw multiple women multiple times, I can't remember any two dates ever being the same.
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I swear a lot of these dudes are complete asswholes. I don't care if someone has a million of dollars treating a lady like that or being rude to her dude dosent make you look classy at all. You should be positive to others and uplift them instead of being a troll on other people's post. that's why I know I don't service too many dudes on this website. Dudes want to be complete jerks.
Good for you hun best luck finding a stable relationship!!!!
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