GFE VS NON GFE----High Volume VS Low volume

[Annika]

What's your take on this....

Is a non GFE worth more per hr than a GFE?
Everything covered, no DATY, no kissing, is that worth as much as a real experience?

I've been on eccie since aspd shut down and I was on there 3 yrs before that!!
There aren't many threads regarding this subject so I'm curious?

GFE OR NON GFE?
GFE for 180-240hr or non GFE for 260++hr
Why is NON GFE generally more than GFE wth??


High volume 80+reviews a year revolving door and you must work around her!
Or
low volume 10 or less reviews a year and regular clients plus the ability to work around your schedule?


CBJ OR BBBJ
DO YOU ENJOY DATY? Kissing?

[Crowley88]

No really that's my answer. ;-)

I don't lower my standards on physical appearance just to get the ultimate GFE experience. I like GFE. I don't turn it down if it is offered. I don't mind non-GFE but some girls can be non-GFE and still give you a vibe that they are enjoying the session. I don't enjoy non-GFE where the girl is just laying there and looking way. Or where she won't let me kiss her body or touch her at all. Or where she only allows a few positions and that is it. I've seen plenty of non-GFE that were fun enough with sex that the non-kissing can easily be forgotten. Not all girls can pull that off.

Of course the best of both worlds is what I ultimately seek. A GFE AND hot provider who can bring it like a porn star.

It has been my experience that some providers have used "low volume" in a deceptive way so I don't always believe that when I hear it. I don't mind high volume if she can still give me a good experience. I like it when a girl is always clean and well groomed when I see her. If I get absolutely no perception that another guy could have been there not long before me then I am ok with it. There are some girls who aren't so good and it is obvious they are high volume. Not all girls can pull it off.

So my short answer is. Depends on the girl. If I think she is worth it, I will see her. Simple as that.

As far as CBJ or BBBJ. CBJ has never bothered me. I do enjoy BBBJ but quite honestly I can count on one hand the amount of girls that have gotten me off orally (both in and out of the hobby). That includes BOTH CBJ and BBBJ btw.

I do enjoy DATY and kissing and in fact it can get me 100% primed up for a session without the girl even needing to touch me. I do enjoy giving pleasure but I see it as only a "warm up". I use other means to get to the grand finale. I will only do DATY if I feel the girl is clean and attractive though. It isn't something that I do with every girl I see regardless if it is on the menu.

[acescracked]

Originally Posted by Annika

What's your take on this....

Is a non GFE worth more per hr than a GFE?
Everything covered, no DATY, no kissing, is that worth as much as a real experience?

I've been on eccie since aspd shut down and I was on there 3 yrs before that!!
There aren't many threads regarding this subject so I'm curious?

GFE OR NON GFE?
GFE for 180-240hr or non GFE for 260++hr
Why is NON GFE generally more than GFE wth??


High volume 80+reviews a year revolving door and you must work around her!
Or
low volume 10 or less reviews a year and regular clients plus the ability to work around your schedule?


CBJ OR BBBJ
DO YOU ENJOY DATY? Kissing?

I can't imagine that you are comparing apples to apples here. Personally I have never met a provider, or any business, that charges more for less??? The way you have worded this is that for every menu item I add the price drops. Add Anchovies and extra cheese to my pizza the price get lower, Greek when seeing a provider and the price goes down?

By the way I get what you're asking, is a lesser menu with a more desirable chassis worth more? Not that that means a hill of beans anyway. There is a market for every type, shape, look, ethnicity, menu of provider at differing price points. What floats one hobbyist boat sinks another's.

So to your question, do I like DATY and kissing, YES. Do I really care if my oral is covered or uncovered, not especially. The more my age tells me I need to have the extra stimulation the more I know that covered is a safer choice to tell the truth. I have to believe that both are real when my member reacts, my senses aren't that decayed.

I would love to meet you for a non GFE visit at your normal rate. Then my request is to add NTF, DATY, LFK and DFK. Can that be arranged? No need to call me out as I am being sarcastic.

[bluffcityguy]

In a nutshell... if a lady isn't GFE by my definition (FK (LFK at a minimum, DFK preferred) and DATY is on the menu, BBBJ preferred, but see below) I will put her on my "do not see" list. As simple as that.

I know some guys are hung up on BBBJ. My personal feeling is that, the times being what they are, I can understand a lady being so cautious as to not want to do oral without a cover. I think that is excessive caution, but I'm not going to argue with her. I've often said, not entirely facetiously, that I'll give a lady one chance to prove to me that her CBJ is worth receiving. But I'll also say, quite honestly, that in thirty-plus years of active hobbying I have met ONLY ONE lady that gave a CBJ worth receiving, and she moved over to giving BBBJs decades ago. So based on my experience, if a lady insists on the cover for her flute solo, the odds are EXTREMELY poor that I'll repeat, though I will give her that one honest try.

I can't explain why a lady would price her non-GFE services higher than other ladies' GFE services. And I really don't care to hear an explanation... I just write her off as not worth seeing and go on my way.

Now, my berzerk button in this area (GFE vs. non-GFE) is the lady--and I've "met" a few (not in person, but in forums like this and the late, lamented ASPD)--who insists that she can deliver a GFE experience without kissing. Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over? If you as a girlfriend don't kiss your boyfriend, I feel very sorry for your boyfriend--and if I ever meet him, I'm telling him to dump your sorry ass as soon as possible.

Cheers,

bcg

[altec269]

one problem is everyone seems to have a different definition of GFE.
Some people refer to the fact that the provider makes you feel warm and fuzzy inside. Others, like BCG and me, are referring to the activities allowed; DFK, DATY, BBBJ. in other words activities a girlfriend would allow.

With BCG's def of GFE, it is logical step to PSE as an upgrade from GFE. With the 1st definition of GFE, PSE is a down grade as those people don't get their emotional connection.

One of the good things about TER is they have consistent standards for their definitions and for their rating system. RTP and, to some extent here, lack those standards, so some reviews don't really give you good information.

[Mizzou82]

The more rules, the less IOP. IOP is important to me. I know that it is ultimately a business transaction, but no kissing, no BBBJ, no DATY makes it impossible for me to get the fantasy I enjoy. I will never say never, but I doubt I will ever again take a chance on a real romantic relationship. Having the IOP for an hour is much less of a hassle and less expensive in the long run. Some guys just want an assisted pop and don't care about GFE, but to me it is a waste of time and $ without the IOP.

If you have all the rules, In my experience, the session will be mechanical. More of a "get your pop and get the hell off me" which is the reverse of the experience I enjoy

[bistraight69]

Call it what you want - GFE or NONGFE - the bottomline is that it must include DFK, BBBJ, etc.

[Goodisntcheap]

[QUOTE=acescracked Personally I have never met a provider, or any business, that charges more for less???

Mac Donalds. Large Soda is cheaper than medium soda.

[mizurymule]

[QUOTE=Goodisntcheap;1056032595][QUOTE=acescracked Personally I have never met a provider, or any business, that charges more for less???

Mac Donalds. Large Soda is cheaper than medium soda.[/QUOTE]
I guess I look at that as charging less for more. I guess it's all in how you look at it.

[Goodisntcheap]

[QUOTE=mizurymule;1056033283]

Originally Posted by Goodisntcheap

I guess I look at that as charging less for more. I guess it's all in how you look at it.

Aces was almost 100% correct for once. Keep trying aces. That's the only, more for less, that I know of.

[Annika]

I posted this thread to prove a point to a NON-GFE/agency provider!

[Annika]

Originally Posted by Mizzou82

The more rules, the less IOP. IOP is important to me. I know that it is ultimately a business transaction, but no kissing, no BBBJ, no DATY makes it impossible for me to get the fantasy I enjoy. I will never say never, but I doubt I will ever again take a chance on a real romantic relationship. Having the IOP for an hour is much less of a hassle and less expensive in the long run. Some guys just want an assisted pop and don't care about GFE, but to me it is a waste of time and $ without the IOP.

If you have all the rules, In my experience, the session will be mechanical. More of a "get your pop and get the hell off me" which is the reverse of the experience I enjoy

I totally agree

all her non GFE rules suck!
No DATY, no bbbj , no kissing, wth are these ho's robots lol

[Jannisary]

Originally Posted by Annika

I posted this thread to prove a point to a NON-GFE/agency provider!

Originally Posted by Annika

I totally agree

all her non GFE rules suck!
No DATY, no bbbj , no kissing, wth are these ho's robots lol

Oh, like it wasn't obvious to most of us who you were aiming this at.

It is her business and body and thus she makes the rules. It seems to be working quite well for her.

I didn't fill out your silly survey because it is just not that simple of an answer.

I do think it is very sad when one provider feels the need to publicly attack another provider on how she conducts her business. Maybe you've got too much time on your hands Annika.

[LadiesMan]

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[Annika]

I publicly attacked no one there are many ladies who don't do this or don't do that
Some it's a personal choice others it's the pimp
Either way I wasn't referring to anyone in specific
note it says Non-GFE/Agency!

Jannisary- You might not have filled it out but you replied,
And ladies who are NOT A REVOLVING DOOR generally have more time!!!
It called LOW VOLUME!! And PER THE POLL ITS WHAT MEN PREFER!