Thank You, Adam Schiff, For Confirming Everything In the Nunes Memo!

[lustylad]

Hey... remember those old buttons the dim-retards used to wear so smugly back in the days of the Watergate scandal? ... oh my, what a difference 45 years makes! Nowadays they LOVE the idea of bugging the opposition party in the midst of a Presidential campaign! Just ask Adam Schiff! Or read his long-awaited memo!




Democrats for Eavesdrop Abuse

Their intel memo confirms the FBI used Clinton research to spy on Carter Page.

By The Editorial Board
Feb. 25, 2018 5:41 p.m. ET
499 COMMENTS

The House Intelligence Committee on Saturday released the long-awaited Democratic response to allegations the FBI abused its surveillance powers during the 2016 election. Committee Chairman Devin Nunes owes ranking Democrat Adam Schiff a thank you for assisting his case.

The 10-page Democratic memo begins by declaring that “The FBI and DOJ officials did not ‘abuse’ the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) process, omit material information, or subvert this vital tool to spy on the Trump campaign.” Yet the facts it lays out show the opposite.

In particular the memo confirms that the FBI used an opposition-research document paid for by the Hillary Clinton campaign and Democratic National Committee as part of its application to surveil Carter Page, who was associated with the Donald Trump campaign.

Democrats dispute the degree to which the FBI relied on the dossier created by opposition-researcher Christopher Steele in applying for its FISA court order, but that’s beside the point. If the FBI had as much “compelling evidence” and “probable cause” as the memo asserts, it would not have needed to cite the Steele document. And the Democrats do not dispute that the Steele dossier was the FBI’s only source in its initial FISA application for its allegation that Mr. Page met with suspect Russians in Moscow in July 2016.

The Democratic memo makes no attempt to rebut the widely reported news that former Deputy FBI Director Andrew McCabe told Congress that the FBI would not have sought a surveillance warrant without the dossier. Democratic Rep. Jim Himes claimed on “Fox News Sunday” that Mr. McCabe never said that, but then why not put that in the memo?

The Democratic memo also confirms that the FBI withheld from the court the partisan provenance of the dossier. Democrats even provide, for the first time in public, the precise language the FBI used in its initial application in a long, obfuscating footnote.

Democrats say the FBI told the FISA court that a “law firm” [Clinton/DNC firm Perkins Coie] hired “an identified U.S. person” [oppo-research firm Fusion GPS co-founder Glenn Simpson ] to “conduct research regarding Candidate #1s ties to Russia.” The “identified U.S. person” then hired “Source #1” [Mr. Steele] to do the research. The footnote ends: “The FBI speculates that the identified U.S. person was likely looking for information that could be used to discredit Candidate #1’s campaign.”

Speculates? Likely? Could? The dossier was paid for by actors whose overriding purpose was to defeat Mr. Trump. Nowhere do Democrats say the FBI used the words “political” or “partisan” or “campaign,” much less Clinton or Democratic National Committee.

The Democratic memo claims the FBI acted “appropriately” in not “revealing” the name of an “entity” in a FISA application, but this is laughable. The FBI sometimes masks identities to preserve sources and methods, but the Steele dossier was a pastiche of gossip and rumor based on Mr. Steele’s contacts. Disclosing his partisan funders would have betrayed no important intelligence sources but would have given the court reason to ask the FBI for more credible information before granting an eavesdrop order.

Messrs. Steele and Simpson briefed their media friends in September and October about their dossier, despite FBI prohibitions. The FBI nonetheless falsely told the court that Mr. Steele wasn’t the source of a Yahoo News article that it used as additional evidence in its application. While the Democratic memo repeatedly refers to Mr. Steele’s reporting as “reliable” and “credible,” it confirms that the FBI fired Mr. Steele after it found he hadn’t told the truth about his media spinning.

The Democratic memo devotes considerable space to smearing the hapless Mr. Page, as if he’s some kind of master spy and the Rosetta Stone of the Trump-Russia story. Yet no one has offered proof that he colluded with the Russians, and he hasn’t been indicted.

Democrats also make much of the fact the FBI started looking into the Trump campaign in July 2016 but didn’t receive “Steele’s reporting” until “mid-September.” So what? The issue here is the fairness and honesty of the FISA application in late October (not the investigation), and what matters is that the FBI didn’t move on the FISA application until after it received the dossier.

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The only definitive evidence of political “collusion” so far is that the Clinton campaign paid Mr. Steele to troll his Russian sources for dirt on Donald Trump. The FBI then used this dirt as a reason to spy on Mr. Page and anyone he was communicating with. Imagine how the press would be playing this story if the roles were reversed?

https://www.wsj.com/articles/democra...use-1519598461

[bambino]

Schiff’s not smart enough to be an Uber driver.

[nevergaveitathought]

Byron York did a nice analysis of the dimocrat memo

he wrote in part:

Specifically, Democrats say, the Justice Department "met the rigor, transparency, and evidentiary basis needed to meet the FISA's probable cause requirement" for a warrant on Page. Democrats say the Justice Department provided the court with four categories of information that together were "a multi-pronged rationale for surveilling Page." The four categories are:


* contemporaneous evidence of Russia's election interference;
* concerning Russian links and outreach to Trump campaign officials;
* Page's history with Russian intelligence; and
* [redacted] Page's suspicious activities in 2016, including in Moscow.

then he (York) took those four categories and destroyed them

the FISA warrant was to perform surveillance on an american citizen, carter page, and the warrant requires a high bar

the first bullet point was about Russian hacking of dimocrat emails, if it was the Russians. nothing at all to do with carter page

the second bullet point is presumably a reference to george papadapoulos, not a thing to do with carter page

York writes about the third bullet point:

The third category, referring to Page's business history in Moscow in the 2000s, and more specifically a 2013 case in which Russian agents tried unsuccessfully to recruit him, does of course focus on Page. As I wrote this month, by several accounts, Page's history was not a big part of the FISA application, but it was a part, and House Republicans should have included that fact in their memo. On the other hand, Page's history was history; it was not new in October 2016, when the first warrant was granted, and it's not clear why it would have triggered the DOJ to ask for, or the FISA court to approve, a wiretapping warrant.

the fourth bullet point,of course, is drawn from the steele dossier. its the only thing with new "information" that addresses carter page, and its only source is the steele dossier

so when you boil all the fluff away from the Schiff memo, it comes down to the unverified and ill-disclosed and dimocrat paid for steele dossier being used to apply surveillance on an American citizen

[Rey Lengua]

Originally Posted by nevergaveitathought

Byron York did a nice analysis of the dimocrat memo

he wrote in part:

Specifically, Democrats say, the Justice Department "met the rigor, transparency, and evidentiary basis needed to meet the FISA's probable cause requirement" for a warrant on Page. Democrats say the Justice Department provided the court with four categories of information that together were "a multi-pronged rationale for surveilling Page." The four categories are:


* contemporaneous evidence of Russia's election interference;
* concerning Russian links and outreach to Trump campaign officials;
* Page's history with Russian intelligence; and
* [redacted] Page's suspicious activities in 2016, including in Moscow.

then he (York) took those four categories and destroyed them

the FISA warrant was to perform surveillance on an american citizen, carter page, and the warrant requires a high bar

the first bullet point was about Russian hacking of dimocrat emails, if it was the Russians. nothing at all to do with carter page

the second bullet point is presumably a reference to george papadapoulos, not a thing to do with carter page

York writes about the third bullet point:

The third category, referring to Page's business history in Moscow in the 2000s, and more specifically a 2013 case in which Russian agents tried unsuccessfully to recruit him, does of course focus on Page. As I wrote this month, by several accounts, Page's history was not a big part of the FISA application, but it was a part, and House Republicans should have included that fact in their memo. On the other hand, Page's history was history; it was not new in October 2016, when the first warrant was granted, and it's not clear why it would have triggered the DOJ to ask for, or the FISA court to approve, a wiretapping warrant.

the fourth bullet point,of course, is drawn from the steele dossier. its the only one with new information that addresses carter page, and its only source is the steele dossier

so when you boil all the fluff away from the Schiff memo, it comes down to the unverified and ill-disclosed and dimocrat paid for steele dossier being used to apply surveillance on an American citizen

And,just last night, the History channel had a " slam " piece on Vlad Putin. Looks like ANOTHER network that's a cheerleader for the dumbascraps and their agenda.

[lustylad]

Think about the awful precedent that has been set here, and how it will affect the incentives for future political campaigns to engage in dirty tricks. I would not be surprised if both sides hire people who are paid to pose as foreign agents offering opposition "dirt" in order to entrap the other side's campaign and justify FBI surveillance.

Thank you, Hillary! And thank you, democrats! For setting a dangerous new precedent and lowering the bar on what constitutes acceptable behavior and dirty tricks in politics! You've managed to make Nixon and Watergate look like boy scouts!!!

[LexusLover]

Adam Schitt has insulted all Anti-Trumpers, and they don't even realize it yet. Gruber laughed at you guys, and later admitted it openly when discussing THE FACTS. The Schitt-Schumer dance team are purely insulting what little intelligence the Anti-Trumpers have, while they know you all will bite at any sliver of "red meat" they'll toss out.

I personally don't give a shit who wins the "interpretation" debate, I want to see the ENTIRE, UNREDACTED FISA applicationS with ALL SUPPORTING DOCUMENTS (including any legal briefs) as well as ALL OF THE FISA ORDERS.

Then I want to see ALL RETURNS to the FISA COURT with the full transcripts of ALL RECORDINGS taken by whoever actually conducted the interceptions, along with all reports and supplemental reports (again UNREDACTED) submitted by the persons who initiated the communications, monitored the communications, and reported the content of the communications that were intercepted.

The voting public should see them also INSTANTLY before the PRIMARIES.

Right now the only THING that is of NATIONAL SAFETY AND SECURITY are the actions and inactions of the GOVERNMENT DURING THE OBAMINABLE ADMINISTRATION conducting these surveillance activities under the pretense of chasing "spooks"!

I don't trust the elected officials of either party to keep me informed!

After there is a FULL DISCLOSURE then a discussion can be conducted as to who knew what and when did they know it. Until then IMO the citizens of this country are at risk, as well as those persons who express an interest to become citizens of this country.

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by lustylad

Think about the awful precedent that has been set here, ....

.. only if the U.S. citizens/voters standby and let it continue will there be a "precedent" ... regardless of who they support or what party affiliation they claim.

What most, IMO, don't understand is:

"the shoe is on the other foot soon enough!" ...

and what that means.

Keep in mind that the former administration kept quiet about Russian meddling!

[WTF]

Originally Posted by LexusLover

..

Keep in mind that the former administration kept quiet about Russian meddling!

jesus christ...it was learned of late and the admin did not want to publicly put their hands on the election. Think about this you partisan hack....you knew nothing about the Russian meddling before the election. In fact you knew about the Clinton's emails which in fact you should not of heard about. That late news is what tipped the election. Maybe the FBI should have released that the Trump was under investigation along with the Clinton emails.

The facts do not seem to fit you dumbfucks narrative.

[themystic]

Apologies. Bambino is certainly one of the stupidest posters

[Rey Lengua]

Originally Posted by themystic

Apologies. Bambino is certainly one of the stupidest posters

Keep up that fine DOTY campaign mistake ! It'll be nice to see a runoff between YOU, wtf, EKIM and the rest of the reach-around crew ! Mebbe one of YOU can deny assup his sixth title !

[nevergaveitathought]

Originally Posted by WTF

jesus christ...it was learned of late and the admin did not want to publicly put their hands on the election. Think about this you partisan hack....you knew nothing about the Russian meddling before the election. In fact you knew about the Clinton's emails which in fact you should not of heard about. That late news is what tipped the election. Maybe the FBI should have released that the Trump was under investigation along with the Clinton emails.

The facts do not seem to fit you dumbfucks narrative.

where do you come up with such wonderful triteness that never applies to the discussion?

you just have the knack

[Rey Lengua]

Originally Posted by nevergaveitathought

where do you come up with such wonderful triteness that never applies to the discussion?

you just have the knack

He also has a " knack " for assuming the " pivot man/ reciever " position at all of the reach-around crew's bukakke parties !

[WTF]

Originally Posted by nevergaveitathought

where do you come up with such wonderful triteness that never applies to the discussion?

you just have the knack

just because the fbi was not able to confirm the Russians have a sex tape on him , does not mean they do not.

in fact the way he is acting towards them , they probably do.

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by WTF

just because the fbi was not able to confirm the Russians have a sex tape on him, does not mean they do not.

in fact the way he is acting towards them, they probably do.

Yeah snitchy, everyone gets it now. You have persuaded us all. Trumpy is killing hundreds of Russians in Syria because... they have a sex tape on him.

Um-hmm. Makes perfect sense!

https://eccie.net/showthread.php?t=2325364


YOU. ARE. A. MORONIC. BUFFOON.

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by WTF

Think about this you partisan hack....you knew nothing about the Russian meddling before the election. In fact you knew about the Clinton's emails which in fact you should not of (sic) heard about. That late news is what tipped the election....

It was "late news" all right. Think about this, you moronic buffoon.

Hildebeest set up her illegal private server in early 2009. She concealed her emails from FOIA and Congressional subpoenas for years. We learned about them from a Romanian hacker in early 2015. Too bad you libtards didn't let everyone know a lot sooner - then you could have gotten rid of that bitch and run a better candidate.

Once the State Dept. Inspector General issued his scathing report on hildebeest's illegal private email system in mid-2005, there was no way the FBI could pretend it wasn't investigating the "matter".

As usual, your facts and arguments and timelines are as confused and self-contradicting as your sexual orientation.