Dating

[VeryClean]

Originally Posted by Whenever

VeryClean how do you feel about this

I've never tried to date strippers/escorts so I didn't know they had this rule that they can sleep around with as many men as they want but their lovers have to be faithful to them.

I'm not a beta male nor am I a cuck so I would never accept such an unfair humiliating rule. Truth is, even if I accepted it so I could be her boyfriend...she would never respect me for it. Oh she may compliment me on how "open-minded, understanding & progressive" I'm but inside she would think of me with disgust. I wouldn't be a real man to her. Most women are hardwired to be attracted to strong assertive men who can provide for her, not broke submissive doormats. A man who isn't willing to fight for his woman's love is no man at all. If she's sleeping around to pay the bills, then he should man the fuck up and take care of all the expenses so she doesn't have to do that.

As much as providers say that it's just business, we all know the reality is more complicated than that. They do catch feelings and even fall in love with a few of their clients. That's why that rule is just plain nonsense.

Whenever I've entered a romantic relationship, I've always stopped hobbying and only resumed hobbying after the relationship was over. I will be 100% faithful to the woman I love and I expect the same from her.

[Richardtx]

I dated one for 3 years. She quit the business on her own because she wanted to truly commit. I never pressured her. I accepted her profession. Neither one of us was looking, but our chemistry was undeniable.
Unfortunately she kept fucking other guys for free, so i ended it.
Never again though.
I will never trust another provider like that. Don't get me wrong, i have provider friends i trust to a certain level, but never again in a relationship. Fk that!

[Laura Lynn]

Originally Posted by LadyAnastasia

Ill be the blunt one

If im choosing to date someone then yes im expecting to be their only partner. This is my job, if you have accepted it then thats what it is.

If your seeing other people then we are swingers together. Yes we (at least i) will have more insecurities for what seems to be obvious reasons.

But if your a guy sleeping with other women for free then your basically a client getting it for free.

If its an arrangement that the two have then go all for it.

I dont date hobby guys though...been there and done that...never again.

I agree and it really is an unfair situation, but when is anything in life fair?

Relationships can be difficult in the best circumstances, but adding in hobby compounds it. So, I try to make it up to my special friend by adding another girl from time to time.

[texassapper]

That's why I liked SD/SB relationships... they were more like a real relationship without any of the headaches. It works well for both parties. They need a +one for something, I would go along...same thing the other way. Good sex, no emotional bullshit. If I wanted to fuck someone else, it was no big deal, same for her.

It's the way dating was meant to be!

[BLM69]

If you men are looking for someone to date to find a potential GF, Why start stripper or provider? These guys want looks or excitement from the get go and expect loyalty. You guys need to ask yourself what's on top of your list

Regular women would not look into male escorts or strippers for anything serous besides some humping! Before you women get excited here, would you let one of your kids look for love from a provider or stripper. S#it will never work

[haihawaii2000]

Never got into this to date. I have some regular providers but have also had 2 of them that started acting jealous and wanted to date and I stopped seeing them. Not what I'm here for.

[BLM69]

Jealous of the $ going somewhere else, totally understandable

[TheOracle]

Originally Posted by VeryClean

I've never tried to date strippers/escorts so I didn't know they had this rule that they can sleep around with as many men as they want but their lovers have to be faithful to them.

I'm not a beta male nor am I a cuck so I would never accept such an unfair humiliating rule. Truth is, even if I accepted it so I could be her boyfriend...she would never respect me for it. Oh she may compliment me on how "open-minded, understanding & progressive" I'm but inside she would think of me with disgust. I wouldn't be a real man to her. Most women are hardwired to be attracted to strong assertive men who can provide for her, not broke submissive doormats.

You should've just ended it right there and I would almost be 100% in agreement with you.

Originally Posted by VeryClean

A man who isn't willing to fight for his woman's love is no man at all. If she's sleeping around to pay the bills, then he should man the fuck up and take care of all the expenses so she doesn't have to do that.

Here is where you lost me. I'm not sure you truly understand the whole alpha/beta male thing. No true "alpha male" is going to start paying all the bills so his girl can stop selling pussy. An alpha male is not saving prostitutes dude. That's laughable. His options will be vast enough that entering a relationship with an escort would be the LAST thing on his mind.

Also, there's usually two sides. There's the alpha male, then there's the beta male provider. There's a reason so many women will talk about their past of dealing with the "bad boys" (alpha males). But at a point they realize their clock is ticking, looks are fading, value is decreasing, they want a family & children, and financial and social stability. That is when they begin to seek out Mr. Beta Male Provider for security. In the burgeoning "red pill" community they refer to this phenomenon as "alpha fucks, beta bucks". That is why sooooo many married men make up this hobby world, are in shitty, sexless marriages where their wife has them by the balls, and why they subscribe to emasculating, beta male ways of thinking like "happy wife, happy life" and "my wife's the boss" etc. Also a big part of the reason why women initiate a staggering 70-80% of divorces, report being more unhappy in marriage than men, and there's so many failing marriages in general. To relate it to the hobby, the pimp/john dynamic is sort of a microcosm of the whole alpha/beta concept as well. The pimp is the alpha male who a girl will respect and give all her money to, while the john is the frustrated beta male provider who gets no respect and can't figure out why.

The alpha male provider exists but is much more rare. Again, because his options dictate that settling down and providing for one woman is not something he has to do. The alpha male provider, in my opinion, looks more like something along the lines of a Floyd Mayweather who keeps a rotation of several girlfriends who know he has other women and will take care of them as long as he's dealing with them but refuses to enter into the terrible, one-sided business contract called "marriage" or relegate himself to one woman b/c he doesn't have to. I'm sure there are some alpha male providers who do choose to take the one woman or marriage route, but quite honestly damn near all married men I know either cheat to maintain some semblance of happiness and sanity, are completely miserable, are complete simps w/ little to no backbone, or some combination of all three.

Secondly, "fighting for your woman's love" sounds good, but that's more beta talk from TV and movies geared toward women. You fight for your woman's RESPECT. And that is ONLY after she has proven it to you over a period of time by showing that she is willing to be loyal, submit, and follow your lead as the head of the household. If she truly respects you then all those things will follow. People (especially women) tend to take things that were just handed to them with little to no effort for granted. Your willingness to "fight for her" has to be earned, not given away frivolously just because she's attractive and has a vagina. Love is an ambiguous term that has no real substance and everyone has different definitions for what it is. It can come and go like the wind and means very little. No woman who truly RESPECTS a man would even entertain the thought of selling her vagina to random men while claiming to "love" and care about him. The whole "it's my job" angle is an attempt at a jedi mind trick, a bad one at that, and only men with no spine would dare entertain such delusional nonsense.

[VeryClean]

TheOracle, your commentary on this issue makes a lot of undeniable common sense. I've met a lot of MGTOW and red pill types so I'm familiar with most of the points you have brought up.

When I wrote about paying all the bills, I was not thinking about "saving prostitutes". As I wrote earlier, I've never dated a stripper or an escort. I was more thinking about filling the traditional male gender role of the provider & protector while my wife stays at home and raises our children. I certainly don't desire to be some beta male cuck who pays all her bills while she sleeps around with long dick bad boys.

I agree that fighting for her respect is a better way to put it and should only be done after she's proven that she's worthy of that.

[Laura Lynn]

Wow, after reading the male perspective, it really is clear. MEN ARE DEFINITELY FROM MARS.

[Snafu75]

It really is up to the client to make sure that they do not blur lines. The very best ladies provide a service that caters to the gentleman. It is easy for some to misinterpret this experience as true feelings from the provider when in fact it is a bi-product of her excellent service.

[sophieleediax]

I agree with dead man 🙃

[BLM69]

Whores and Tricks will never work out! You guys in here need to stop dreaming about hooking up with women you pay to visit

If you're unable to find someone to spend time with you for just being you, what makes you think these women would want to? Go learn some game, improve yourselves and gain some confidence.

[berkleigh]

DON'T!!!

Never ends well and I've had my share of experiences.

Save yourself and her the heartache, wasted time and money.

[TheOracle]

Well here's some evidence of where these type of relationships end up. Smh.

https://eccie.net/showthread.php?t=2671985