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Guest082216-1 · 05-22-2011, 11:50 AM

Entrapment is enticing you to do something you would not otherwise do.

LE is allowed to break the law to catch you. They are allowed to lie. They can even touch you and have sex to catch you. Most Police Departemnts have strict guidelines as to how far their staff can go but its not illegel for a UC to touch you at your request then bust you

acp5762 · 05-22-2011, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Bubba3452

Entrapment is enticing you to do something you would not otherwise do.

LE is allowed to break the law to catch you. They are allowed to lie. They can even touch you and have sex to catch you. Most Police Departemnts have strict guidelines as to how far their staff can go but its not illegel for a UC to touch you at your request then bust you

Typically it's not ok for an UC to touch an escort or engage in sexual activity then bust her for prostitution. But it does happen and rather often in jurisdiction where prostitution is widespread and many complaints are made. Many UC get away with taking their case that far cause they figure it's their word against the escorts. If an escort did get enticed to go as far as sex with an UC then get busted if she was able to remember an identifying mark, tatoo, scar, mole ect in an area that is ordinarilly covered by clothing she would be able to prove that nudity and possible actual sexual activity took place and could help her case. Many of this discovery info. would depend on her lawyer of course. Of course if proven the UC would loose the case and possibly his job as well for Malfeasence in office. But without this being proven nobody really worries about it.

LA4Saints · 05-23-2011, 02:27 PM

all gets back to doing the homework... know your partner, or know someone who does

incognito isis · 05-23-2011, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Britney_Jaye_Loves_You

Ok So I guess then asking for I.D./looking at it good & something from their job/ home bill etc would still be a good practice?

If you can get a client to show you a utility bill, more power to you! But I don't think most hobbyists will go for that. You should join p411 if your not already a member. LE can do anything they want, practicly, including break the law themselves. Their word takes precedence over yours in court. It seems they are catching up to the protective protocols of escorts. I hear they will even allow an escort to touch them and do some mild services like kissing, hj, massage. You can ask for an ID but LE will most likely have a fake one. The one true way to protect yourself is to screen and get references. If you see newbies, then ask for him to prove he is not LE. If he can't or is unwilling, don't go there.

AimeeAims · 05-24-2011, 06:20 PM

Ohh, and I can't even remember how many times girls I know have said "a cop has to tell you he's a cop if you ask him." Umm, no they don't. My screening process is long and takes a few days. My thought is that LE will take the quickest target first...and there are many more girls out there with quicker screening than mine.

austin_voy · 05-25-2011, 08:38 AM

Honestly, the only value I can see in knowing the cop's name is "outing" him. And for this you'll need to subpoena him. And everyone else involved. If you have the wherewithal, have a photog sitting outside of the courtroom.

Now, this is NOT legal advice, as IANAL, but I was a PI at one point (which means my "advice" is even more worthless, right?). If you are really concerned about getting busted, contact a lawyer a priori and discuss your options. That's information from my corporate lawyer. ("If you're going to break the law, here's the name of a good business criminal defense attorney.")

Captain Columbus · 05-26-2011, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by acp5762

Typically it's not ok for an UC to touch an escort or engage in sexual activity then bust her for prostitution. But it does happen and rather often in jurisdiction where prostitution is widespread and many complaints are made. Many UC get away with taking their case that far cause they figure it's their word against the escorts. If an escort did get enticed to go as far as sex with an UC then get busted if she was able to remember an identifying mark, tatoo, scar, mole ect in an area that is ordinarilly covered by clothing she would be able to prove that nudity and possible actual sexual activity took place and could help her case. Many of this discovery info. would depend on her lawyer of course. Of course if proven the UC would loose the case and possibly his job as well for Malfeasence in office. But without this being proven nobody really worries about it.

In Columbus, Ohio it is perfectly legal for LE to engage in sexual activity and then bust the lady if they feel they need to do that to get the bust. This has been noted in the Columbus Dispatch. LE's argument is many times they need to do this to get a bust. They say it is no different than using drugs to get a drug bust or buy. So know what is accepted practice in the locale you are doing business in. As one can tell from this thread, practices vary by area. On a comical side, it appears that Columbus Vice generally do this only with the high dollar hotties and not the street walkers.

Also, Columbus LE could care less whether they get a conviction or not. Just making your life a living hell for you and outing you to your family, job, etc. is enough to make LE happy. They just want you to quit and move on. As you can see, all the cards are stacked against you.

Isabel · 05-26-2011, 02:14 PM

Which site are you talking aboout? I would like to go here and get informed....

Lana Love · 05-28-2011, 09:59 PM

I had an issue with this the cop booked appt with real name showed real Id and undressed himself. Still was a cop. If you smell bacon abort mission

Budman · 05-29-2011, 09:34 AM

They may show you their ID just before they slap the cuffs on you.

My question is how many hobbyists would show their ID. I would never show a provider my ID or utility bill period. The last thing I want is my real life getting mixed up with this hobby. That’s why I have a hobby phone and a handle on here that is not my real name. How many of you providers will show a hobbyist your real life ID when ask? I bet not many.

Jackie S · 05-29-2011, 11:31 AM

If any activity proceeds to the point where you are in the same room with LE, you are already busted.

Sure, in the end, you might win in court, but you still had to take the ride.

HeatherNicole · 05-29-2011, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Budman

My question is how many hobbyists would show their ID. I would never show a provider my ID or utility bill period. The last thing I want is my real life getting mixed up with this hobby. That’s why I have a hobby phone and a handle on here that is not my real name. How many of you providers will show a hobbyist your real life ID when ask? I bet not many.

The answer for me is plenty of clients follow my rules, including having their id sitting on the desk or somewhere in plain sight. If they don't then they don't get to play. Why would it mix up your private life with your hobby life. Do you really think I am going to remember your address and personal info from a quick glance? There is no reason to need to see the providers id so turn about is not fair play. The name on my id is not going to match the name I use in the business. You guys have photos from our websites and mountains of reviews that discuss the tiniest details about us including tattoos why would you need to verify who we are.

D_Friday · 05-29-2011, 10:54 PM

Well they must do things differently in Alabama.
You do realize that hobbyists routinely giving up their real name and address to providers is *not* the norm, and for good reason. If this is really your policy, then you're driving away some quality clientele. Nothing against you, but there are some crazy chicks out there with great reviews. And the fact that they're crazy may only become apparent after they know your real name and address. As much as we try to avoid it, the hobby has no shortage of drama.

There is one scenario in which I concede it would be necessary to see the hobbyist's ID, and that's when dealing with a guy who lacks references.

Otherwise, if you're going to insist on seeing my ID, be prepared to show me yours.

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Originally Posted by HeatherNicole

The answer for me is plenty of clients follow my rules, including having their id sitting on the desk or somewhere in plain sight. If they don't then they don't get to play. Why would it mix up your private life with your hobby life. Do you really think I am going to remember your address and personal info from a quick glance? There is no reason to need to see the providers id so turn about is not fair play. The name on my id is not going to match the name I use in the business. You guys have photos from our websites and mountains of reviews that discuss the tiniest details about us including tattoos why would you need to verify who we are.

Samantha Scott · 05-30-2011, 12:49 PM

They will do everything to bust or nothing to bust you it is best to just screen as best as possible some cl. dont like it but its a hobby... Unfortunately this store has a no return policy which means once they are in the room u are going for that ride they say you cant beat. As aadvice to all from the heart just look at your state laws and pay your atty. to tell you the way he can beat it if possible. You make mny so spend it to stay out of trouble or pay to get out of trouble

... P.s. I wish there were more responses here!!! ELEPHANT IN ROOM and its grey !!

vman757 · 05-30-2011, 02:00 PM

When a client is from overseas why not ask for their passport? It is highly illegal to fake another nations passport and can cause a huge international shit storm if it was found out leos did this.