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Old 04-07-2020, 10:12 AM   #1
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Default The Washington Post ‘What do you have to lose?’: Inside Trump’s embrace of a risky drug against coronavirus Philip Rucker, Robert Costa, Laurie McGinley, Josh Dawsey 3 hrs ago

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...3dV?li=BBnbcA1


As he stares down a pandemic, economic collapse and a political crisis of his own, President Trump thinks he may have found a silver bullet: hydroxychloroquine. He hears about the controversial anti-malarial drug on the phone from friends in New York, including from his personal attorney Rudolph W. Giuliani. He hears about it in White House meetings from some advisers eager to please the boss, who share anecdotes of the drug working on covid-19 patients. And he hears about it on television, from physicians on Fox News Channel panels who tout its efficacy.

In fact, Fox host Laura Ingraham and two doctors who are regular on-air guests in what she dubs her “medicine cabinet” visited the White House last Friday for a private meeting with Trump to talk up the drug, according to two White House officials and another person familiar with the meeting.
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Never mind that hydroxychloroquine is an unproven treatment for covid-19 and is still in the testing stages, or that it has dangerous side effects for some, or that medical professionals are divided on its capability. The infectious-disease expert on Trump’s coronavirus task force, Anthony S. Fauci, has privately pleaded with the president to be more cautious.
But Trump — who famously has said he trusts his gut more than anything an expert could counsel him — is again letting his impulses guide what he tells a locked-down nation eager to return to normal.
In the past several days, he has been advocating that people infected with the novel coronavirus consider taking hydroxychloroquine in consultation with their doctors. He remarked Sunday that “a lot of people are saying” patients should take the drug and called it “a very special thing.”
© Jabin Botsford/The Washington Post President Trump stands behind his lectern at a coronavirus news conference April 1 at the White House. As the president has said repeatedly, “What do you have to lose?”
Trump’s swift embrace of hydroxychloroquine — as well as azithromycin, which he has hyped as “one of the biggest game changers in the history of medicine” — illustrates the degree to which the president prioritizes anecdote and feeling over science and fact. It also has provoked an ugly divide within a White House already besieged as it struggles to make up for lost time in slowing the spread of the coronavirus.
News to stay informed. Advice to stay safe.
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The president has frequently clashed with or undercut scientists leading the effort against the virus, from equivocating on whether to wear masks in public to repeatedly pressing to reopen businesses sooner than advised by public health experts.
Hydroxychloroquine is still being studied for its effectiveness in treating covid-19, the disease the virus causes, but the Food and Drug Administration already has approved it for malaria, lupus and rheumatoid arthritis. That means doctors can prescribe the drug for covid-19 or other ailments on an off-label basis. The agency also has authorized the emergency use of the drug from the Strategic National Stockpile for certain hospitalized patients.
© Bill O'Leary/The Washington Post Anthony S. Fauci, left, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, listens as President Trump holds a coronavirus news conference on Sunday. Many doctors are reportedly taking the medication themselves as a potential preventive measure and are giving it to their patients, especially in New York, which has by far the largest number of coronavirus cases in the country.
Kenneth E. Raske, chief executive of the Greater New York Hospital Association, which represents all of New York City’s hospitals, said clinicians have reported that “the jury is still out” on the drug. Still, he said he did not believe the side effects were so deleterious that it should be avoided.
“We’re using those drugs extensively,” Raske said. “It’s not as if this is a distant conversation. The drug has been around for a long time. I think everybody is going into this eyes wide open.”
Over the weekend, Trump’s task force decided to rush-deliver hydroxychloroquine to hospitals and pharmacies in the New York area, Detroit, New Orleans and other coronavirus hot zones, provided that the medicine be administered to patients only on the advice of their doctors.
“In peacetime, the conservative approach would be correct,” Peter Navarro, a trade adviser who recently was named the administration’s Defense Production Act policy coordinator, said in an interview. “In wartime, with the potential of mass casualties, you may have to be more forward-leaning and accept additional risk.”
The action came after Trump met with Ingraham, who has been enthusiastically promoting hydroxychloroquine on her 10 p.m. show. She brought along two guests of her program — Ramin Oskoui, a Washington-based cardiologist, and Stephen Smith, a New Jersey-based infectious disease specialist — and Trump asked that FDA Commissioner Stephen Hahn attend as well.
Smith made a detailed presentation to Trump about his view on treatment, putting an emphasis on the benefits of hydroxychloroquine based on his own experiences and studies, according to two White House officials and a person familiar with the meeting, who, like some other officials interviewed for this story, spoke on the condition of anonymity to offer a candid assessment.
Trump listened intently, they said, and emerged from that meeting seemingly determined to advocate for hydroxychloroquine to be more widely used.
© Andrew Harnik/AP President Trump met Friday with Fox News Channel host Laura Ingraham and her “medical cabinet” on Friday. Ingraham talked up the use of hydroxychloroquine to treat the coronavirus. Smith, who has known Fauci, the longtime director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, for decades and has treated more than 100 covid-19 patients, said in an interview Monday that he walked Trump through a spreadsheet and other documents about how hydroxychloroquine works and its uses during hospitalization.
“I’m a guy who looks at data,” Smith said. “I came as a scientist and physician. I trained under Dr. Fauci and respect him a lot.” He described Hahn as “supportive.”
The FDA declined to comment on the meeting. A senior administration official said the session appeared to be an effort to press Trump to ratchet up his public support for the drug. The official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak on the matter, said Hahn has been flexible in handling the drug but wasn’t comfortable endorsing it before trials are completed. Efforts to reach Oskoui by email and phone were not successful.
During Saturday’s task force meeting, Navarro pushed hard for the drug. He showed up with a folder of statistics and papers to forcefully argue the case for using the drug and got into a fight with Fauci over its efficacy, as first reported by Axios.
Navarro said the disagreement “isn’t a real debate. It’s Kabuki theater for political junkies.” Earlier, however, Navarro sounded provocative during an appearance on “Fox & Friends,” a morning show Trump often watches.
“I think history will judge who’s right on this debate, but I’d bet on President Trump’s intuition on this one,” he said.
The tension between Trump’s faith in an unproven drug and the reticence of public health experts to endorse it was evident at Sunday’s White House news conference, when CNN correspondent Jeremy Diamond asked Fauci for his opinion on hydroxychloroquine. Trump interrupted and said Fauci did not have to answer the question, and he scolded Diamond for asking. Fauci was silent.
White House spokesman Hogan Gidley insisted “there is no daylight” between Trump and Fauci regarding the drug and accused the media of trying to create “soap opera-like drama.”
Hydroxychloroquine has a number of serious side effects, chief among them its impact on the “QT interval” — the time it takes for the heart’s electrical system to reset between contractions, which push blood into the vascular system and around the body, according to Mark Gladwin, chairman of the Department of Medicine at the University of Pittsburgh School of Medicine. This raises the risk of heart arrhythmias — irregular heartbeats — that can be fatal, he said.
© Jabin Botsford/The Washington Post President Trump addresses reporters during a news conference April 3 at the White House. With many covid-19 patients arriving at hospitals as emergencies, it is not always possible for doctors to know what other drugs a patient is taking or conduct an electrocardiogram, making use of the drug dangerous, Gladwin said.
Because hydroxychloroquine hasn’t been studied in valid large-scale research, doctors can’t know the appropriate dose for any covid-19 patient. Also, the disease is causing a heart infection, myocarditis, in some of the most seriously ill patients.
“The heart may already be involved in this virus,” Gladwin said. “And now we’re adding a drug that prolongs the QT [interval]. We have no idea what that will do in the setting of a patient with covid-19.”
Scott Gottlieb, who served as FDA commissioner earlier in the Trump administration, said the data on hydroxychloroquine is “very preliminary” and the drug has been used widely in the United States and Europe without “any obvious benefit.” Clinical trial data is needed, he said. Meanwhile, he added, “We should focus on the drugs that are most likely to be transformative,” such as antibody drugs that are under study.
FDA spokesman Michael Felberbaum said, “The FDA’s role is to make independent, science-based decisions to bring new therapies to sick patients as quickly as possible, while at the same time supporting research to further evaluate whether these medical countermeasures are safe and effective for treating patients infected with this novel virus.”
Hydroxychloroquine had rarely come up in official task force meetings before Saturday’s explosive Navarro-Fauci discussion, which ended only after Vice President Pence and senior adviser Jared Kushner stepped in, according to a person with direct knowledge of the discussions.
Trump’s focus on hydroxychloroquine stems from a place of desperation and an optimism that the drug will work, even if the science is not conclusive, allies said. As one person put it, “The president lives in a world of wishes and hope.”
“It’s the only thing anyone has held out as offering an immediate reprieve from what’s become his greatest challenge — and political threat,” said a former senior administration official. This official described the president’s “overwhelming desire for a silver bullet to make it all go away.”
© Jabin Botsford/The Washington Post Food and Drug Administration Commissioner Stephen Hahn walks out of the White House to attend a coronavirus news conference March 30 in the Rose Garden. Trump’s aides are giving him reason to believe. White House officials compiled upbeat news articles about people who said they were helped by the experimental drug to give to the president. And on Monday, an email blast went out to administration aides with the subject: “CORONAVIRUS FLAG: LA doctor seeing success with hydroxychloroquine to treat COVID-19,” linking to a story from KABC in Los Angeles.
“The president is talking to so many people in New York — friends, Wall Street guys, real estate guys,” one White House official said. “He’s hearing about this drug and he’s seeing his own optimism repeated back to him on Fox News. It’s all self-reinforcing. An echo chamber.”
Trump has pressured Hahn to make more favorable statements about hydroxychloroquine and has regularly raised it with him, according to two White House officials with knowledge of the discussions.
At times, Trump has grown frustrated because some of the doctors in his administration — including Hahn and Fauci — have conceded privately that there is some anecdotal evidence the drug may work, but will not state so publicly at the president’s news conferences, these officials said.
Another regular on Fox News, New York-based oncologist William Grace, has suddenly emerged as an influential voice in Trump’s orbit despite having no formal links to the government. Grace has appeared regularly on Ingraham’s show touting hydroxychloroquine.
Grace said in an interview that as he has tracked the pandemic as a self-described “interested physician,” he has become convinced that the “drugs are working, that fewer people are having to go to the respirators at places like Lenox Hill hospital.”
Grace is not a spokesman for the hospital or approved to speak about its use of hydroxychloroquine on patients. When Ingraham posted a tweet on March 20 about Grace’s comments regarding the hospital, Twitter deleted it for violating the platform’s policies, and the hospital said in a statement that “his views are his own and do not represent the hospital.”
Grace has continued to speak out, and has been communicating with Navarro.
“I don’t know of a single institution anywhere that’s not treating inpatients with hydroxychloroquine,” Grace said. “It’s being implemented very quickly all over. You’ve never seen such speed.”
Peter Lurie, a top FDA official in the Obama administration who is now president of Center for Science in the Public Interest, said he was concerned that Trump’s campaign for hydroxychloroquine undercuts the FDA’s fundamental philosophy on approving drugs.
“When the president says, ‘What have you got to lose?’ that is profoundly different than what the science-based agencies have been trying to communicate to the public for decades,” Lurie said.
philip.rucker@washpost.com
robert.costa@washpost.com
laurie.mcginley@washpost.com
josh.dawsey@washpost.com
Lenny Bernstein contributed to this report.


Here come Pelosi and Schiff with a new investigation and impachment for mis-managing the Wuhan virus.

Typical flagrant WaPo hypocrisy - we have a drug approved by the FDA for use - and the waPo and LSM are all against Trump advocating medical utlilization.

WaPo is setting itself up as the medical arbiter - and the only qualifications those idiots have is the ability to Lue and sell hypocrisy.

usual J666 fodder.
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Old 04-07-2020, 10:28 AM   #2
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is this a news article or on the editorial page?

its rife with scorn, opinion, snide ness and one-sidedness

it uses adjectives and descriptions of trumps assembled team as if they are either sucking up to a desperate trump concerned with re-election or are hopelessly trying to stop trump in some manner for the good of America

the article is sickening and all the more so because it is not factual but merely partisan, not even opinion, but propaganda

if obama was president any like article would be about how tirelessly obama is working for america and would be full of concern for his health and wonder at how he can continue to hold up under the stress and 24/7 self-imposed work load

any discussion concerning hydroxychloroquine would focus on the efficacies experienced by patients and the minimal side effects and how miraculously the drug saved upteen lives

as it is its mere rot from the rotten
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Old 04-07-2020, 10:59 AM   #3
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NGIT - well written.

The DPST have no shame in their hypocrisy and Lies.



WaPo is on record now as shamelessly advocating for no medical treatment for wuhan virus. - and thousands of deaths as a result - they care less about thousands of deaths if it helps "get Trump"!

Yet, the LSM shamelessly criticizes Trump for his actions.

Pelosi is already planning an "oversight committeee" - clearly an antry to another Impeachment prior to Nov. 2020 elections.
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Of course, oebsy ignores the question, like the disingenuous count she is
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Of course, oebsy ignores the question, like the disingenuous count she is

get cv19 and have a nice day.
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The drug is not approved for treatment of coronavirus. You can't seem to understand or acknowledge that fact.
They're using it but it won't be an "official" until some trials have been done. The WaPo is advocating listening to the experts and not trump's "gut".
There is no point discussing the article because you claim the drug is approved by the FDA for this virus. It isn't. Because the drug is approved for some other diseases it can be used for this one. If you read the article you would see they haven't even decided on a dosage yet.
The WaPo is reporting what the experts (some in top jobs) are saying.
You're arguing the fox news team, their "experts", and a bunch of inconclusive information side.
Another point you unintentionally bring up. This is exactly why these daily disinformation sessions shouldn't be live. Because trump doesn't let the experts speak. He pumps out his gut feelings. They're nothing more than an attempt at spin control.
Dems getting ready to impeach again? Why? You think a majority of the US population is glad all this shit is happening right now. You don't think or care about all the lies trump tells.

You're pissed because the WaPo is advocating what trump's scientists are saying (CDC, FDA, and all the speciality orgs).
Since you can't see that then it's just another reason you can't discuss this.


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As he stares down a pandemic, economic collapse and a political crisis of his own, President Trump thinks he may have found a silver bullet: hydroxychloroquine. He hears about the controversial anti-malarial drug on the phone from friends in New York, including from his personal attorney Rudolph W. Giuliani. He hears about it in White House meetings from some advisers eager to please the boss, who share anecdotes of the drug working on covid-19 patients. And he hears about it on television, from physicians on Fox News Channel panels who tout its efficacy.

In fact, Fox host Laura Ingraham and two doctors who are regular on-air guests in what she dubs her “medicine cabinet” visited the White House last Friday for a private meeting with Trump to talk up the drug, according to two White House officials and another person familiar with the meeting.
Subscribe to the Post Most newsletter: Today’s most popular stories on The Washington Post
Never mind that hydroxychloroquine is an unproven treatment for covid-19 and is still in the testing stages, or that it has dangerous side effects for some, or that medical professionals are divided on its capability. The infectious-disease expert on Trump’s coronavirus task force, Anthony S. Fauci, has privately pleaded with the president to be more cautious.
But Trump — who famously has said he trusts his gut more than anything an expert could counsel him — is again letting his impulses guide what he tells a locked-down nation eager to return to normal.
In the past several days, he has been advocating that people infected with the novel coronavirus consider taking hydroxychloroquine in consultation with their doctors. He remarked Sunday that “a lot of people are saying” patients should take the drug and called it “a very special thing.”
© Jabin Botsford/The Washington Post President Trump stands behind his lectern at a coronavirus news conference April 1 at the White House. As the president has said repeatedly, “What do you have to lose?”
Trump’s swift embrace of hydroxychloroquine — as well as azithromycin, which he has hyped as “one of the biggest game changers in the history of medicine” — illustrates the degree to which the president prioritizes anecdote and feeling over science and fact. It also has provoked an ugly divide within a White House already besieged as it struggles to make up for lost time in slowing the spread of the coronavirus.
News to stay informed. Advice to stay safe.
Click here for complete coronavirus coverage from Microsoft News




The president has frequently clashed with or undercut scientists leading the effort against the virus, from equivocating on whether to wear masks in public to repeatedly pressing to reopen businesses sooner than advised by public health experts.
Hydroxychloroquine is still being studied for its effectiveness in treating covid-19, the disease the virus causes, but the Food and Drug Administration already has approved it for malaria, lupus and rheumatoid arthritis. That means doctors can prescribe the drug for covid-19 or other ailments on an off-label basis. The agency also has authorized the emergency use of the drug from the Strategic National Stockpile for certain hospitalized patients.
© Bill O'Leary/The Washington Post Anthony S. Fauci, left, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, listens as President Trump holds a coronavirus news conference on Sunday. Many doctors are reportedly taking the medication themselves as a potential preventive measure and are giving it to their patients, especially in New York, which has by far the largest number of coronavirus cases in the country.
Kenneth E. Raske, chief executive of the Greater New York Hospital Association, which represents all of New York City’s hospitals, said clinicians have reported that “the jury is still out” on the drug. Still, he said he did not believe the side effects were so deleterious that it should be avoided.
“We’re using those drugs extensively,” Raske said. “It’s not as if this is a distant conversation. The drug has been around for a long time. I think everybody is going into this eyes wide open.”
Over the weekend, Trump’s task force decided to rush-deliver hydroxychloroquine to hospitals and pharmacies in the New York area, Detroit, New Orleans and other coronavirus hot zones, provided that the medicine be administered to patients only on the advice of their doctors.
“In peacetime, the conservative approach would be correct,” Peter Navarro, a trade adviser who recently was named the administration’s Defense Production Act policy coordinator, said in an interview. “In wartime, with the potential of mass casualties, you may have to be more forward-leaning and accept additional risk.”
The action came after Trump met with Ingraham, who has been enthusiastically promoting hydroxychloroquine on her 10 p.m. show. She brought along two guests of her program — Ramin Oskoui, a Washington-based cardiologist, and Stephen Smith, a New Jersey-based infectious disease specialist — and Trump asked that FDA Commissioner Stephen Hahn attend as well.
Smith made a detailed presentation to Trump about his view on treatment, putting an emphasis on the benefits of hydroxychloroquine based on his own experiences and studies, according to two White House officials and a person familiar with the meeting, who, like some other officials interviewed for this story, spoke on the condition of anonymity to offer a candid assessment.
Trump listened intently, they said, and emerged from that meeting seemingly determined to advocate for hydroxychloroquine to be more widely used.
© Andrew Harnik/AP President Trump met Friday with Fox News Channel host Laura Ingraham and her “medical cabinet” on Friday. Ingraham talked up the use of hydroxychloroquine to treat the coronavirus. Smith, who has known Fauci, the longtime director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, for decades and has treated more than 100 covid-19 patients, said in an interview Monday that he walked Trump through a spreadsheet and other documents about how hydroxychloroquine works and its uses during hospitalization.
“I’m a guy who looks at data,” Smith said. “I came as a scientist and physician. I trained under Dr. Fauci and respect him a lot.” He described Hahn as “supportive.”
The FDA declined to comment on the meeting. A senior administration official said the session appeared to be an effort to press Trump to ratchet up his public support for the drug. The official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak on the matter, said Hahn has been flexible in handling the drug but wasn’t comfortable endorsing it before trials are completed. Efforts to reach Oskoui by email and phone were not successful.
During Saturday’s task force meeting, Navarro pushed hard for the drug. He showed up with a folder of statistics and papers to forcefully argue the case for using the drug and got into a fight with Fauci over its efficacy, as first reported by Axios.
Navarro said the disagreement “isn’t a real debate. It’s Kabuki theater for political junkies.” Earlier, however, Navarro sounded provocative during an appearance on “Fox & Friends,” a morning show Trump often watches.
“I think history will judge who’s right on this debate, but I’d bet on President Trump’s intuition on this one,” he said.
The tension between Trump’s faith in an unproven drug and the reticence of public health experts to endorse it was evident at Sunday’s White House news conference, when CNN correspondent Jeremy Diamond asked Fauci for his opinion on hydroxychloroquine. Trump interrupted and said Fauci did not have to answer the question, and he scolded Diamond for asking. Fauci was silent.
White House spokesman Hogan Gidley insisted “there is no daylight” between Trump and Fauci regarding the drug and accused the media of trying to create “soap opera-like drama.”
Hydroxychloroquine has a number of serious side effects, chief among them its impact on the “QT interval” — the time it takes for the heart’s electrical system to reset between contractions, which push blood into the vascular system and around the body, according to Mark Gladwin, chairman of the Department of Medicine at the University of Pittsburgh School of Medicine. This raises the risk of heart arrhythmias — irregular heartbeats — that can be fatal, he said.
© Jabin Botsford/The Washington Post President Trump addresses reporters during a news conference April 3 at the White House. With many covid-19 patients arriving at hospitals as emergencies, it is not always possible for doctors to know what other drugs a patient is taking or conduct an electrocardiogram, making use of the drug dangerous, Gladwin said.
Because hydroxychloroquine hasn’t been studied in valid large-scale research, doctors can’t know the appropriate dose for any covid-19 patient. Also, the disease is causing a heart infection, myocarditis, in some of the most seriously ill patients.
“The heart may already be involved in this virus,” Gladwin said. “And now we’re adding a drug that prolongs the QT [interval]. We have no idea what that will do in the setting of a patient with covid-19.”
Scott Gottlieb, who served as FDA commissioner earlier in the Trump administration, said the data on hydroxychloroquine is “very preliminary” and the drug has been used widely in the United States and Europe without “any obvious benefit.” Clinical trial data is needed, he said. Meanwhile, he added, “We should focus on the drugs that are most likely to be transformative,” such as antibody drugs that are under study.
FDA spokesman Michael Felberbaum said, “The FDA’s role is to make independent, science-based decisions to bring new therapies to sick patients as quickly as possible, while at the same time supporting research to further evaluate whether these medical countermeasures are safe and effective for treating patients infected with this novel virus.”
Hydroxychloroquine had rarely come up in official task force meetings before Saturday’s explosive Navarro-Fauci discussion, which ended only after Vice President Pence and senior adviser Jared Kushner stepped in, according to a person with direct knowledge of the discussions.
Trump’s focus on hydroxychloroquine stems from a place of desperation and an optimism that the drug will work, even if the science is not conclusive, allies said. As one person put it, “The president lives in a world of wishes and hope.”
“It’s the only thing anyone has held out as offering an immediate reprieve from what’s become his greatest challenge — and political threat,” said a former senior administration official. This official described the president’s “overwhelming desire for a silver bullet to make it all go away.”
© Jabin Botsford/The Washington Post Food and Drug Administration Commissioner Stephen Hahn walks out of the White House to attend a coronavirus news conference March 30 in the Rose Garden. Trump’s aides are giving him reason to believe. White House officials compiled upbeat news articles about people who said they were helped by the experimental drug to give to the president. And on Monday, an email blast went out to administration aides with the subject: “CORONAVIRUS FLAG: LA doctor seeing success with hydroxychloroquine to treat COVID-19,” linking to a story from KABC in Los Angeles.
“The president is talking to so many people in New York — friends, Wall Street guys, real estate guys,” one White House official said. “He’s hearing about this drug and he’s seeing his own optimism repeated back to him on Fox News. It’s all self-reinforcing. An echo chamber.”
Trump has pressured Hahn to make more favorable statements about hydroxychloroquine and has regularly raised it with him, according to two White House officials with knowledge of the discussions.
At times, Trump has grown frustrated because some of the doctors in his administration — including Hahn and Fauci — have conceded privately that there is some anecdotal evidence the drug may work, but will not state so publicly at the president’s news conferences, these officials said.
Another regular on Fox News, New York-based oncologist William Grace, has suddenly emerged as an influential voice in Trump’s orbit despite having no formal links to the government. Grace has appeared regularly on Ingraham’s show touting hydroxychloroquine.
Grace said in an interview that as he has tracked the pandemic as a self-described “interested physician,” he has become convinced that the “drugs are working, that fewer people are having to go to the respirators at places like Lenox Hill hospital.”
Grace is not a spokesman for the hospital or approved to speak about its use of hydroxychloroquine on patients. When Ingraham posted a tweet on March 20 about Grace’s comments regarding the hospital, Twitter deleted it for violating the platform’s policies, and the hospital said in a statement that “his views are his own and do not represent the hospital.”
Grace has continued to speak out, and has been communicating with Navarro.
“I don’t know of a single institution anywhere that’s not treating inpatients with hydroxychloroquine,” Grace said. “It’s being implemented very quickly all over. You’ve never seen such speed.”
Peter Lurie, a top FDA official in the Obama administration who is now president of Center for Science in the Public Interest, said he was concerned that Trump’s campaign for hydroxychloroquine undercuts the FDA’s fundamental philosophy on approving drugs.
“When the president says, ‘What have you got to lose?’ that is profoundly different than what the science-based agencies have been trying to communicate to the public for decades,” Lurie said.
philip.rucker@washpost.com
robert.costa@washpost.com
laurie.mcginley@washpost.com
josh.dawsey@washpost.com
Lenny Bernstein contributed to this report.


Here come Pelosi and Schiff with a new investigation and impachment for mis-managing the Wuhan virus.

Typical flagrant WaPo hypocrisy - we have a drug approved by the FDA for use - and the waPo and LSM are all against Trump advocating medical utlilization.

WaPo is setting itself up as the medical arbiter - and the only qualifications those idiots have is the ability to Lue and sell hypocrisy.

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Old 04-07-2020, 02:56 PM   #7
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Old 04-07-2020, 02:57 PM   #8
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The drug is not approved for treatment of coronavirus. You can't seem to understand or acknowledge that fact.
They're using it but it won't be an "official" until some trials have been done. The WaPo is advocating listening to the experts and not trump's "gut".
There is no point discussing the article because you claim the drug is approved by the FDA for this virus. It isn't. Because the drug is approved for some other diseases it can be used for this one.
Sorry MM, it was approved two Sunday's ago(3/29 I think) by the FDA for emergency use to treat coronavirus patients.

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Old 04-07-2020, 03:02 PM   #9
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EL - U are correct - the FDA issued a specific approval for the use of hydroxychloroquine in wuhan virus treatment.

Also - the drug is approved for use for lupus and other diseases specifically - which means it can be used "off-label" for other indications at medical discretion.



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Old 04-07-2020, 06:46 PM   #10
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Further proof you can't read and/or understand what you read. Add that to the inability to check your work.

March 28, 2020
Re: Request for Emergency Use Authorization For Use of Chloroquine Phosphate or
Hydroxychloroquine Sulfate Supplied From the Strategic National Stockpile for Treatment
of 2019 Coronavirus Disease

Dear Dr. Bright:
This letter is in response to your request that the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) issue an
Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) for emergency use of oral formulations of chloroquine
phosphate and hydroxychloroquine sulfate for the treatment of 2019 coronavirus disease
(COVID-19) when administered by a healthcare provider (HCP)1 pursuant to a valid prescription
of a licensed practitioner as described in the Scope of Authorization (section II) of this letter. The
authorized chloroquine phosphate and hydroxychloroquine sulfate are limited to product
supplied from the Strategic National Stockpile (SNS) to public health authorities2
, pursuant to
Section 564 of the Federal Food, Drug and Cosmetic Act (the Act) (21 U.S.C. 360bbb-3).


From the same letter.

"Chloroquine phosphate and hydroxychloroquine sulfate are not FDA-approved for treatment of
COVID-19.
Some versions of chloroquine phosphate are approved by FDA for other
indications—for prophylaxis and acute attacks of certain strains of malaria and for the treatment
of extraintestinal amebiasis, but the chloroquine phosphate drug product covered by this letter
has not been approved. Several versions of hydroxychloroquine sulfate are approved by FDA
for prophylaxis of and treatment of malaria, treatment of lupus erythematosus, and treatment of
rheumatoid arthritis. The safety profile of these drugs has only been studied for FDA approved
indications, not COVID-19."

https://www.fda.gov/media/136534/download


From my post,
"There is no point discussing the article because you claim the drug is approved by the FDA for this virus. It isn't. Because the drug is approved for some other diseases it can be used for this one."

As the request letter above shows, an Emergency Use Authorisation was granted. The letter also specifically says hydroxychloroquine is not approved for the treatment of the coronavirus.
So two blissfully, ignorant morons agree with each other.
BFD.

Thanks for naming the actual diseases I referred to in my post. I didn't feel their names were important but at least you got part of it right.
If only you had actually read the article you didn't understand


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EL - U are correct - the FDA issued a specific approvalWRONG! for the use of hydroxychloroquine in wuhan virus treatment.

Also - the drug is approved for use for lupus and other diseases specifically - which means it can be used "off-label" for other indications at medical discretion.



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Old 04-07-2020, 06:59 PM   #11
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get cv19 and have a nice day.
What an asshole!

We don’t have to worry about yous. Yous are dead already... on the inside, you sally.
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Old 04-07-2020, 07:12 PM   #12
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Words matter.
Use was authorized, not approved.
Two completely different meanings in the vernacular of the FDA.
I pointed out it could be used so your "behind" comment is wrong too. As with the diseases, I'm not going to try and anticipate details that aren't germane to the point of my post.

You getting the date right for the EUA doesn't mean much when you claim approval on that date.


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Sorry MM, it was approved two Sunday's ago(3/29 I think) by the FDA for emergency use to treat coronavirus patients.

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The drug is not approved for treatment of coronavirus. You can't seem to understand or acknowledge that fact.
They're using it but it won't be an "official" until some trials have been done. The WaPo is advocating listening to the experts and not trump's "gut".
There is no point discussing the article because you claim the drug is approved by the FDA for this virus. It isn't. Because the drug is approved for some other diseases it can be used for this one. If you read the article you would see they haven't even decided on a dosage yet.
The WaPo is reporting what the experts (some in top jobs) are saying.
You're arguing the fox news team, their "experts", and a bunch of inconclusive information side.
Another point you unintentionally bring up. This is exactly why these daily disinformation sessions shouldn't be live. Because trump doesn't let the experts speak. He pumps out his gut feelings. They're nothing more than an attempt at spin control.
Dems getting ready to impeach again? Why? You think a majority of the US population is glad all this shit is happening right now. You don't think or care about all the lies trump tells.

You're pissed because the WaPo is advocating what trump's scientists are saying (CDC, FDA, and all the speciality orgs).
Since you can't see that then it's just another reason you can't discuss this.


More Wuhan Panic from a TDS victim. Be calm. Keep drinking until you pass out. We thank you in advance. Don't take medical advice from Dr Pepper.
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Old 04-07-2020, 08:51 PM   #14
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What an asshole!

We don’t have to worry about yous. Yous are dead already... on the inside, you sally.

gee hoey... if anyones dead, its youse on your turd.


you sally???? what kind of expression is that??? turd-brain???.
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Old 04-07-2020, 10:02 PM   #15
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Go with what you know.
Mindless and pointless blather goes well with your drinking problem.

It's your usual go-to excuse when you should just STFU.

If you actually had something to say besides your anecdotal bs it would surprise me. And you don't surprise me. You're just an asshole with the Dunning-Kruger effect.

Now fuck off.


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