Trump's First Year: An Amazing Success

[Austin Ellen]

Jeeze Speedracer. That was not an analogy. I was just sharing what was different when I was growing up. We had guns growing up here in the south - we did not have school shootings. I do not know why that is. It was an observation - that's all. Also, did not have the 24 hour news cycle or violent 3D video games now that I think of it.

And if banning AR15's would work - then do it. My personal opioion is that it is both a mental health issue - and a gun issue - it's a combination.

[SpeedRacerXXX]

Originally Posted by Austin Ellen

Jeeze Speedracer. That was not an analogy. I was just sharing what was different when I was growing up. We had guns growing up here in the south - we did not have school shootings. I do not know why that is. It was an observation - that's all. Also, did not have the 24 hour news cycle or violent 3D video games now that I think of it.

And if banning AR15's would work - then do it. My personal opioion is that it is both a mental health issue - and a gun issue - it's a combination.

I wasn't trying to come down hard on you. Your post was the 2nd one I saw today stating the same thing. The point of your post seemed to be that by having guns mounted in the back of pickups there would be no mass shootings. The point of my post was that there is absolutely no correlation between the 2.

I do appreciate you stating that it is BOTH a mental health issue AND a gun issue. Very few gun rights advocates would ever say that. So often I hear "guns don't kill people, people kill people" which is certainly true. However guns make it so much easier to kill people and the AR 15, even without the gun stock used in Las Vegas, seems to be the weapon of choice these days by these killers.

[assfucker]

Originally Posted by George W Bush

Guns don't kill people.
Bullets do. Guns just make them go REALLY fast.

It may have been an impersonator that said that. Sometimes it's hard to tell.

I'd love to live in a Utopia where we could eliminate all guns. They should be an antique relic in a modern compassionate society. Unfortunately, we live in a wasteland of capitalism induced inequality under the thumb of the MIC, Deep State, and militarized police forces. I will never give up my guns until they are disarmed as well.

However, I believe we need much stricter, oppressive, even draconian background checks with thorough required training to accompany every purchase. Loopholes like gun shows and private sales must be eliminated and weapons must be registered. I can't see how any responsible gun owner objects to this.

[Why_Yes_I_Do]

Because you know, letting the government decide if you're crazy just sounds fun?!? I'm all for training and practice often, but I don't see the point of 'registering' guns. Is the idea supposed to be something like; Well ghee your honor, he passed the background check, took the training and used his lawfully registered gun, so I guess it's a no brainer - innocent of all charged. WTF?

I see you're buying a new pistol, similar to your last one. Well... that requires you retake the training all over again. Pay the government clerk on your way out the door. Thank you. That stink doesn't even make sense. Like I said, I'm all for competently trained ownership and lots and lots of practice.

Have you considered it's more of a societal issue? Take God out of schools, yet wonder why kids are Godless. Play violent shoot 'em video games for hours on end, with no consequences, yet wonder why kids are desensitized to violence. See something, say something, yet do nothing. That's a big problem.

In short, the laws are there that will work. The church shooter was missed because the Air Force didn't follow existing law. This last dope was reported by multiple people, not to mention 39 visits by the local Sheriff's department over the course of a couple years. Yet nobody connected those dots. Really?!? Most other recent shooters legally acquired their guns, after completing background checks and apparently they trained and practiced a fair bit as well.

It's a software, i.e. mental thing, not a hardware thing.

Originally Posted by assfucker

However, I believe we need much stricter, oppressive, even draconian background checks with thorough required training to accompany every purchase. Loopholes like gun shows and private sales must be eliminated and weapons must be registered. I can't see how any responsible gun owner objects to this.

[Why_Yes_I_Do]

As luck would have it, there is no current law or regulation that prevents you from donating to any mental health cause that you wish and, while lesser known to some, there is no law or regulation against you donating your own hard earned $$ to reducing the National debt and even getting a tax deduction for the both of them. Who knew?!?

Originally Posted by assfucker

Trump's words were that we need to focus more on mental health while his actions have done everything possible to cut the miserable funding that already exists. Money talks. Put up some funds for mental health you bitch ass Republicrats. Stop paying lip service. 2 of your own have fallen victim to this shit in the past couple years. Nothing gets rich white assholes to act like rich white assholes getting attacked, but even that hasn't been enough for these sorry sacks of shit.

[Little Monster]

Another election was held Tuesday, and once again another Repugnican loss. This time in Kentucky, in another solid red district.



2018 is really looking like a good year for the Repugnicans let me tell you....

[SpeedRacerXXX]

Originally Posted by Little Monster

Another election was held Tuesday, and once again another Repugnican loss. This time in Kentucky, in another solid red district.



2018 is really looking like a good year for the Repugnicans let me tell you....

Trump won 73% of the vote in 2016. Linda Belcher won the Kentucky House seat with 68% of the vote. A 45% turnaround.

"According to an extremely useful comprehensive spreadsheet compiled by Daily Kos, across 70 special elections in 2017, Democrats ran 10 points ahead of Clinton and 7 points ahead of Obama’s 2012 results. Those numbers have accelerated into 2018. Across 14 races, Democrats are running 28 points ahead of Clinton and 14 points ahead of Barack Obama."

Now it's on to the March 13th special election in Pennsylvania between Republican Rick Saconne and Democrat Conor Lamb in a heavily Republican Pittsburgh suburb. Trump won the district by 20 points in 2016. The latest polls have Lamb trailing by 3%.

[assfucker]

Originally Posted by Why_Yes_I_Do

stuff you said...

Small problem with your argument. There is no god.

[Why_Yes_I_Do]

Originally Posted by assfucker

Small problem with your argument. There is no god.

Small problem with your argument. There is only one way for you to find out.

[assfucker]

Originally Posted by Why_Yes_I_Do

Small problem with your argument. There is only one way for you to find out.

There is nothing to find out. You can't prove an argument by saying it's not able to be proven.

[Why_Yes_I_Do]

Pull the nail out of your shoe, you're running around in a circle. You can find out if you're wrong or not. One small problem with the method, you won't be able to tell us if you're right or wrong, once you prove it to yourself.

Originally Posted by assfucker

There is nothing to find out. You can't prove an argument by saying it's not able to be proven.

[assfucker]

Google Bayesian reasoning. Clearly you don't understand how reality works.

[pussycat]

Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

I wasn't trying to come down hard on you. Your post was the 2nd one I saw today stating the same thing. The point of your post seemed to be that by having guns mounted in the back of pickups there would be no mass shootings. The point of my post was that there is absolutely no correlation between the 2.

I do appreciate you stating that it is BOTH a mental health issue AND a gun issue. Very few gun rights advocates would ever say that. So often I hear "guns don't kill people, people kill people" which is certainly true. However guns make it so much easier to kill people and the AR 15, even without the gun stock used in Las Vegas, seems to be the weapon of choice these days by these killers.

There are two reasons why these school shootings happen. One is because these killers copy each other. If there were no school shootings before then no one would ever have the idea to do it. It's sort of a fad. The second is that no matter how many times this happens the schools still make no plans as to what to do should it happen at their school. Schools are still gun free zones, and when a shooter appears the Principal and the "resource officer" both head for the hills out of cowardly fear. Then when the local police arrive they refuse to enter the building until "back up" arrives. It's a joke. The Principal needs to have a good automatic rifle in his office. The coaches need to have handguns available. When a shooter arrives they need to run to the scene of the assault and defend the kids. If that happened once this fad would be over.

[gfejunkie]

Originally Posted by pussycat

There are two reasons why these school shootings happen. One is because these killers copy each other.

And, try to up the body count.

[Austin Dude]

Originally Posted by pussycat

There are two reasons why these school shootings happen. One is because these killers copy each other. If there were no school shootings before then no one would ever have the idea to do it. It's sort of a fad. The second is that no matter how many times this happens the schools still make no plans as to what to do should it happen at their school. Schools are still gun free zones, and when a shooter appears the Principal and the "resource officer" both head for the hills out of cowardly fear. Then when the local police arrive they refuse to enter the building until "back up" arrives. It's a joke. The Principal needs to have a good automatic rifle in his office. The coaches need to have handguns available. When a shooter arrives they need to run to the scene of the assault and defend the kids. If that happened once this fad would be over.

First, you should maybe look up the definitely of a fad. School shootings aren't a fad. They've occurred too often over a long period of time to be considered that. Second, what an idiotic thing to say, if one school shooting didn't happen at the beginning, there would be none now. That's some moronic logic. So if one person had never drunk too much and got in a car the first time, no one would have ever done it? No. It was going to happen because we have guns and we have people who want to hurt people for varies reasons (including themselves). Thirdly, your plan is idiotic in that the people doing the shootings are the kids who would have had the training you talk about. For a plan to be effective, you would have to teach the kids what to do, where to go. And your shooter would know these things. You can arm your coaches and principals but they aren't trained for combat. You can know how to shoot a gun but that doesn't mean you have the skills to hit a moving target, or be accurate when someone is shooting at you, or that you have the ability to take someone else's life. Those people would also have no idea the number of shooters or how skilled the shooters are. If you send people to deal with a group that outnumbers them, they are probably gonna end up killed. If you send them to against people who are trained better and willing to kill, they could die. Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth. Your plan isn't going to stop a determined kid from killing students.