Mind boggling that everyone seems to be worth $800 plus these days

[Boltfan]

Originally Posted by Busty

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I think there are some members here who can speak to routinely paying that much for services. They are longtime members, and they are typically very quiet for the most part.

One posted here so far.

Talia is dead on that most advertising cam services are pricing their in person to discourage that ask.

Sometimes people need to poke their nose outside of this forum, and this website to see what is actually going on with this industry.

Chalking it up to simps is a complete oversimplification. And it's not coming from anyone who actually would be willing to even pay those rates.

If you aren't willing to pay those rates, then you really can't speak on what high end members who do pay those rates would be thinking.

Now some members can whine, and call it thread hijacking and say that their posts are being stalked because they commented on a thread where I was already here. I'm making this exact same point, but because they just don't like it they complain.

We also have those who do not understand what is meant when people say the market sets the price. It is funny when those same people, who lack common economic language comprehension, talk about what someone more successful would do with their money.

And some just say the same thing over and over ad nausea with their current and previous handles so often that their response is perfectly predictable.

[LustyBustyGina38FF]

^ And there you have it 100%

[Ralph Fults]

We also have those who do not understand what is meant when people say the market sets the price.


Normally, they are talking about a free market. The market under discussion is far from a free market.

[TalliaThomas]

Originally Posted by Ralph Fults

We also have those who do not understand what is meant when people say the market sets the price.


Normally, they are talking about a free market. The market under discussion is far from a free market.

Disagree. While markets that fall under the definition of "black market" don't respond quite the same to the outside economy-- many principles still hold true.


1. A business will at least charge enough to cover expenses or they won't stay in business.
2. A business that feels it has an edge in the marketplace will charge a premium price
3. A business that is not able to capitalize on the market will either adjust pricing, adjust services, or fold.



In addition-- it is not uncommon for some businesses to offer discounts and perks to "members" or in our case... "regulars".



I get that there are more nuances in this little world-- but at the end of the day, a business that can't gain any business at a premium rate will either lower their rate or fold. If a lady is consistently charging what you consider a premium rate... either she is consistently getting that rate, has enough regulars to where she's just fishing for a higher rate from new clients, or she has outside interests that finance her life and her hobby money is just "fun money".

[nobody_home]

Originally Posted by TalliaThomas

3. A business that is not able to capitalize on the market will either adjust pricing, adjust services, or fold.

Yeah, if you're a regular, you will get solicited for specials to draw you back in....you will likely repeat business because YOU ARE a repeat customer. Pizza Hut does this, too

As far as #3, these aren't normal businesses. Is a girl going to STOP being a whore? None of these girls are going to be faced with having to liquidate their "whore inventory" and call it quits. Even when they get married, the capability to make a few extra bucks is always present
What entry barrier to the market does she have outside of a PD,Tryst,STG, Crawler ad? Many of these don't even rely as this as a main source of income.
Us men can bitch about rates infinitum, it gets no where

I think what would be a good question to ask is why is this an issue? Not looking for a justification or excuse (we aren't owed one), but i would be so interested to hear what a woman thinks about whats going on to fall short on expectation of services? At the core, this is what it is. Men wouldn't balk at $800 if they thought they were getting $800 value. Men are beside themselves because they're not even getting $300 level service and girls are demanding so many new outrageous demands.

Do you encounter customers that you are excited to provide them 5 star service? Are there customers you meet where you have your mind made up you're going to do the least amount as possible?

[TalliaThomas]

Originally Posted by nobody_home

I think what would be a good question to ask is why is this an issue? Not looking for a justification or excuse (we aren't owed one), but i would be so interested to hear what a woman thinks about whats going on to fall short on expectation of services? At the core, this is what it is. Men wouldn't balk at $800 if they thought they were getting $800 value. Men are beside themselves because they're not even getting $300 level service and girls are demanding so many new outrageous demands.

Do you encounter customers that you are excited to provide them 5 star service? Are there customers you meet where you have your mind made up you're going to do the least amount as possible?

Personally? I cannot speak for others, but I do not charge what most would consider a "premium rate" in the current environment. I've always been at the lower end of the rate spectrum for someone with my looks and skill set. Part of that is a solid baseline in customer service and a belief that I'm always better served by under-promising and over-delivering. I don't think I'd like the pressure that I would feel if I tried to charge 800+ per hour. While I'm sure some of that pressure is imagined... I'm also sure that the expectations should be greater as the price point increases.



I don't have wild expectations of the gents I see. Show up clean and on time with the proper donation. That's it. I treat everyone that crosses my threshold like a king for whatever time they've booked with me. That should be the dead minimum expectation in my book. Sex is supposed to be fun. It shouldn't create anxiety for people on either side of the equation.



Do I have clients that I plan on doing the absolute minimum possible for? Nope. If I don't enjoy the time I've spent with a particular gentleman, I just don't see them again. Its as simple as that.

[nobody_home]

Originally Posted by TalliaThomas

Do I have clients that I plan on doing the absolute minimum possible for?

as usual, thank you for your well thought out and insightful response. It has more value than you could imagine.

I would imagine the 'lackluster' girl is like anyone else. Perhaps its the general malaise that everyone seems to exhibit these days and/or a general lack of long-term thinking.
i've got a job to do
"you know what...it doesn't really matter what I do here. Customer is unhappy? fuck 'em....what are they gonna do, not come back? so what....they'll be someone else. Customer already paid? fuck 'em....they aren't getting that money back. Get a bad review? pshaw...I'll get a new number and change my stage name"
It doesn't matter who you are, when you are 'forced' to do something you will resent it. You may love your wife, but if you HAVE to get her a gift one day otherwise you'll have to deal with her bitching and moodiness for the next 2 days, you will RESENT her. If i don't like my job (flipping burgers or blowing johns), I will resent that i have to be 'here'. I have to be 'here' because of YOU, the customer....so I'm going to take this frustration out on you.

there aren't any real consequences any more for doing poorly (or doing exceptional) in many people's minds.
I will say this. I grew up in a time when you treated "your people" well. You took care of them. Barber, mailman, bartender, etc...you looked out for each other. NOWADAYS everyone is so conditioned to turn everyone into a commodity that we nickel and dime our way through life, thinking if we paid just a dollar more then we got 'screwed'. I always 'over pay' for services. My barber (no matter what city I'm in) is 'my guy' and I always go well above rates. I wouldn't say I get special treatment, but they all appreciate that I take them seriously. The large population of whores? no....it makes zero difference

[jrzyboy]

Originally Posted by TalliaThomas

I don't think I'd like the pressure that I would feel if I tried to charge 800+ per hour. While I'm sure some of that pressure is imagined... I'm also sure that the expectations should be greater as the price point increases.

I’ve actually heard this before from multiple ladies who charged rates lower than what the market dictates they could charge. A few stated that dealing with the entitlement from the men paying those rates was not worth the hassle.

I could certainly see that being an issue.

Originally Posted by TalliaThomas

Sex is supposed to be fun. It shouldn't create anxiety for people on either side

Agreed!!! Speaking from the male perspective here, this is a hobby. Hobbies are meant to be fun, and when they aren’t you need to step back and evaluate why you’re still doing it? It’s why I don’t root for the Cowboys anymore, that shit isn’t fun. Lol

[Wile E Coyote]

Originally Posted by jrzyboy

I’ve actually heard this before from multiple ladies who charged rates lower than what the market dictates they could charge. A few stated that dealing with the entitlement from the men paying those rates was not worth the hassle.

I could certainly see that being an issue.



Agreed!!! Speaking from the male perspective here, this is a hobby. Hobbies are meant to be fun, and when they aren’t you need to step back and evaluate why you’re still doing it? It’s why I don’t root for the Cowboys anymore, that shit isn’t fun. Lol

Perfectly said. Letting others know about the value of a service when you compare the price for that service with the service itself (regardless of the money you have), has lost that intended value to be in the hobby to begin with, you are exiled from the community.

When you try to explain that, some people think you are bitching, when in fact, you are just letting them know how you feel about a subject.

Just like what the hobby is suppose to be (fun) per comments above, this forum is suppose to be about being able to be adults and discussing subject matters, and you may or may not disagree with others about them. But, from other comments in this thread, personal attacks is the name of the game by a few just because a poster posted their opinion on it. It is a shame, but that is where we are. Choosing to RTM those posts because of a posted supposed zero tolerance of insulting others and you are met with points yourself!

[nobody_home]

Originally Posted by Wile E Coyote

the price for that service with the service itself (

hijacking this for a second (and excellent points raised with the posts above).

Lets say the baseline of a rate is $300.
A provider charges $600.
What would you as a client need in addition to 'normal' to experience to make that provider worth $600 in your mind? It doesn't have to be a 'realistic' answer.


From what I see, there is an escalation of rates and a decrease in experience provided. Irrespective of rates, the overall 'service' is a barrier to enjoying the hobby anymore. This is a very real problem. Yes, the solution is just to 'stay home', but its worthy of a discussion

[corona]

Originally Posted by nobody_home

hijacking this for a second (and excellent points raised with the posts above).

Lets say the baseline of a rate is $300.
A provider charges $600.
What would you as a client need in addition to 'normal' to experience to make that provider worth $600 in your mind? It doesn't have to be a 'realistic' answer.


From what I see, there is an escalation of rates and a decrease in experience provided. Irrespective of rates, the overall 'service' is a barrier to enjoying the hobby anymore. This is a very real problem. Yes, the solution is just to 'stay home', but its worthy of a discussion

this is going to vary by the gent. what one sees value in, another may not. There's also an intangible factor of the qualities the lady brings to the equation; looks, attitude, location, etc.

Each gent is also going to have their own budget and splurge boundaries. Are they just looking to nut? Are they going for a PSE no holds barred type experience? Pampering and worship? Mutual pleasure? Domination? Fetishes? All these things could hold a value to one gent that another may not care about.
At the end of it, research your provider. If they meet your desires at a rate you're willing to spend, then go for it. If the price is out of your reach or comfort zone, you need to either find someone else or prioritize the splurge.

[nobody_home]

Originally Posted by corona

this is going to vary by the gent

total cop out. Why even reply if its "anybody's guess"? No one asked to define all things for all men. Do you want another 8 pages of "duuurrr...just don't pay the rates"?
The point was, how does a customer adjust their expectations when the cost exceeds perceived value?

You know how this discussion takes off and provides real value beyond griping? Someone like TALLIA has some balls and offers their opinion. She put it out there and provided REAL perspectives from where they see, not trying to be wishy washy and politically correct.

For me, every encounter is judged on the 4 A's.
ATTRACTIVE
AFFECTIONATE
ATTENTIVE
APPRECIATIVE

A woman could be a hard 5 in looks but make up for it in how she adores me, how she serves me, in a way that you couldn't get in any normal situation. Does it create a lasting memory? Does it change the way I look at things in life? Am I being engaged like I'm the center of her universe?
I've had successful trysts with girls >$800/hr rates for several hours. What set those girls apart was they provided an experience I still can't get out of my head. Things they did or said that changed how I feel about myself permanently.

So it becomes an easy litmus that a girl asking for $600, there just is NO WAY she could ever provide enough value without going way beyond just STG trawling type shit.

[Wile E Coyote]

Originally Posted by nobody_home

hijacking this for a second (and excellent points raised with the posts above).

Lets say the baseline of a rate is $300.
A provider charges $600.
What would you as a client need in addition to 'normal' to experience to make that provider worth $600 in your mind? It doesn't have to be a 'realistic' answer.


From what I see, there is an escalation of rates and a decrease in experience provided. Irrespective of rates, the overall 'service' is a barrier to enjoying the hobby anymore. This is a very real problem. Yes, the solution is just to 'stay home', but its worthy of a discussion

This is the kicker.

As it stands now, prices are increasing and service level is dropping, even some providers have admitted being told by other providers to do this.

While each gent has a definition of what value is, and hold on to your horses, some may even think the same on what value is, and instead of agreeing to disagree with others, they have to insult others who have a different opinion or like a few do, just disagree with everything a particular person states no matter what it is, to make themselves look good.

To answer your question, IMO, there is no type of BCD service a provider can do that can equal a donation rate of above $350/hr and even if she does charge $300-350/hr for their time, the service better be outstanding.

Remember, the providers will say inflation, but the real reason is, charging more money, she sees less clients to make the money to pay her bills and then some.

[phmzee]

I have kept quiet on this so far. The provider are independent contractors they are free to set their own price point. If you do not like their price move on and find one you like at your price. 20 years ago I liked Spring Creek BQ" I can take the wife there for under $50 and the BQ is not that great. Go to a high end BQ joint and it is $80-$100. But man is it good. We have been spoiled in DFW for many years with the lower prices and good service compared to other areas i have tried. I 100% agree with Coyote last statement "Remember, the providers will say inflation, but the real reason is, charging more money, she sees less clients to make the money to pay her bills and then some."

[nobody_home]

if you don't like the price, find one that you do
HOLY SHIT!!! WHOA....I'M GLAD I CAME HERE FOR THIS WISE ADVICE
you people really can't do any better than this to raise the level of conversation?
if you get offended because someone isn't "agreeing to disagree" and powder your baby behind, you aren't serious about a real discussion.
9 pages of the same shit, just to gleen the gem of TALLIA's insight. Please, lets continue with "rates are high, don't pay them" for another 10 pages.


Car Wash advertised for $100
"A car wash isn't worth more than $10. I'm not paying a cent more"
to be WORTH $100, it would have to wax and detail. Scrub the tires, condition the leather. change the air filters....
okay NOW that car wash has a value of $100.

The short answer here is, WHO is valuing reduced services? The challenge is $500 - $800 is the new market price, despite nothing actually changing.